Og Xbox rocked. Because sega engineers made it.

LOL Consoles are too expensive, and this is the find out stage of their fuck around journey. Its not all that surprising, especially with the ending of physical games on Sony's part and Microsoft being generally shitty... They might not recover for a while. Bully for them!

The world may heal after all ..

Raising Prices and making them the EXACT same as Computers but Worse didn't bring in MORE Sales? Quick! MAYBE if we Raise the Prices MORE it'll Reverse course!

-EVERY High Paid CEO ever!

Curious to see Nintendo's numbers in comparison.

And yeah, those prices are insane. At a certain point, just pay for a PC and have access to whatever you want. Plus, you don't have to pay an additional fee for online features. It doesn't have to be the best gaming rig ever, especially for most people. And recoup the money spent on a gaming rig by escaping the closed eco system. Wait for good sales on PC games or turn to the high seas.

And honestly, outside of Nintendo, I haven't seen a console exclusive game on Xbox or PS5 that I've wanted to play in years.

Those prices though. People can still game without consoles, and with the way they're destroying the economy, it seems people are realizing they can ditch the consoles for other options.

these companies have, for decades, failed to provide any compelling reason to spend way too much money on a one trick pony when you can spend not much more on a PC that plays games (better), plus countless other things you can do with a PC, not just for entertainment, but work, production, bills, banking, and on and on.

consoles will never go away though. there will always be a segment of the population who buy into the bombardment of ads telling them that a console is necessary

sales crash 33% to the lowest since 25 years ago

steep price hikes

duh

just pay for a PC and have access to whatever you want.

Yes and no. Yes in many cases, but no in exclusives. Also it depends on the operating system, because Windows 11 is terrible. It's so much cleaner to just boot up a console and play something, than to use Windows. Linux? Yes, that's better, but then you have less games to choose from (especially with the online multiplayer games). Whether this is enough as a replacement depends on many factors. So saying "just buy a PC" is not always the right choice. And that comes from someone who advocates PC and always says "PC is the endgame". We are not there yet. Also god bless Valve (for now).

However, some of the exclusivity issues go away with emulation, recompilation and decompilation efforts.

Sega engineers? I know the XBOX was always seen as the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast, because it was continuation from software by Sega just when Sega stopped with hardware. So far so good. But how does it come it was engineered by Sega?

EXACT same as Computers

I wouldn't call it exact same. Hardware, yes, compatible. But that is not what a console is about. The hardware compatibility to a PC if any is a positive for consoles, because it makes ports and develop on the games much easier without much fuss. And consoles aren't worse to a PC in all cases, they still have some value. The operating system and game compatibility, and ease of use are major factors.

I'm amazed they've not crashed more. The PS5 and Xbox whatever the fuck they called it are both 6 years old, if you haven't already decided to buy one why would you get one now after the price hike?

"because mmprice too high and digital games*

just buy a PC for 3 times as much money and buy digital games there bro dude

Some people really want to play gta 6 before it comes to pc I guess

It was about the prices... THEY are the same

How what Steam console doing?

Oh, right. I thought you were talking about the architecture. And for the prices, well I wouldn't say its the same, but let's say that consoles no longer have a price advantage of the hardware. Because PCs gone up in prices too, as consoles gone up, so consoles never catched up to PC in that regard.

That’s how I ended up buying a PS3 back when GTA V was released. Well, that and Gran Turismo and wanting a Blu-ray player. But it was still not really worth it.

Same, was expecting sales to plummet. Guessing gta6 presales tempered the fall

I can't afford to upgrade my PC with the prices of shit these days so this weekend I actually bought a PS5.

With the new relapse jailbreak the PS5 hacking scene seems to be popping off and it is a way that I can play newer games at a more reasonable price.

Sony certainly didn't get any money though, I always buy secondhand and this is no different and they will not get any money for games either but what with Linux running on old old firmwares it is only a matter of time before these newer, crackable firmwares also get Linux support and then I will effectively have a new, better PC for a fraction of the cost.

In the meantime I can go and play bloodborne finally!

You literally can't get one because they already sold every single one they were able to manufacture and there's a wait-list of a few months for the next ones they will be able to manufacture.

Maybe because instead of getting cheaper over the years since release, they have instead got more expensive.

Consumers are willing to pay a surprisingly high amount for hardware. Just not for old ass consoles after hefty price hikes. The gaming landscape is being buried by data centers.

I've just bought my first console in nearly 10 years but it wasn't any of the big three. My partner and I are loving our new Steam Machine.

Oh no! Major corporations are not making billions?!

How can we help!

/s

What about the Switch 2?

Nintendo's numbers

N: "here is a new Mario game or something, whatever, nobody cares anymore, $80 pricing why not"

Customers: excited screaming and trampling each other

Gaming in general is way too expensive now.

At least we have retro games to play instead.

Which I'm playing on my Steam Deck! Which starts at only...wait, 750 dollars?!?

Edit: $790

Is this surprising? It was written all over the wall when sony went after anime hubs and pushed hard to shut down free portals. Now microslop is making a push to make movies? That's bound to go as well as sonys garbage. Scroungers looking for scraps that can't read the room.

Hoping for Linux support on my 13.60 Playstation 5 too so that I can get a free Steam Machine for the next few years.

It can’t come soon enough even if my Steam Deck is still running well.

Or you could get an AYN Thor for 350$ + 30$ shipping and a wait time of 3 months

That's true. Or depending on what I want to play, lots of even cheaper systems. Although the Steam Deck is JUST powerful enough for everything I want to play.

Edit: Also I use the shit out of steam play streaming to TVs and things

Indeed. OG xbox feels a lot more like a Microsoft endeavor. It's built on x86 hardware with very little proprietary components, powered by direct x.

Down 15%

Hardware costs have gone up, compelling games releases for them have gone down (and didn't start from a good position).

Such a mystery.

Not just here but everywhere. Everyone (except those with too much) is holding tight to their wallet until trump dies and some stability comes back to the world.

Congrats! My wife and I have two steam decks. Great "consoles". Super fun.

I think exclusives are a bit of a none starter now. Previous gens of consoles certainly had a good chunk of exclusive games that may have enticed people in. But this gen has had very few that would be "system selling good". And then you have all of the pc exclusives as a counter argument.

I would also say that you have a significant backlog of incredible games that you can still buy and play, and don't tend to disappear as you move between generations on PC, so unless you are wanting the newest shiny game, you will have too much to play in your life time.

Also windows 11 isn't terrible... It isn't good, but it's fine. And I don't think I agree with it being cleaner to boot up a console and just play a game. If you have steam run at start up, they are pretty equal.

Agree on the exclusivity thing and also I'm one of those with big backlog; it grows faster than I can play. There is no need for me to buy day 1 expensive AAA games. I disagree with all points made in the last segment of your reply.

Also windows 11 isn’t terrible… It isn’t good, but it’s fine.

Windows 11 is in my opinion terrible. The updates, the spying, the bloat, the UI, the ads, can't customize much... I don't like anything in Windows 11. And it gets in the way of playing games too, especially if you want to play with gamepad all the time and messages appear (Steam Controller however helps a lot here). To a point that I will never use Windows 11 on my own computer ever. (and it's not like I wouldn't have experience in Win11 too)

And I don’t think I agree with it being cleaner to boot up a console and just play a game.

If you ever used SteamOS through Steam Deck in example, then I think you would agree with me. Starting Windows requires a password entering, which is not an issue with consoles. Then Windows loads lot of crap and bloat and you might use the computer for other stuff than gaming too. Here and there are issues using it to play games, like updating drivers, configuration and so on. Playing games on a console is much cleaner and simpler than Windows 11 on PC. SteamOS is also cleaner than Windows 11, but consoles still a lot less problematic in regard that.

If you have steam run at start up, they are pretty equal.

They are not. Running Steam in foreground in Big Picture mode is just not the same. It looks the same on the surface, but there are lot of little issues.

It's not exactly the same, but I do feel like it's almost always worse in the console side these days (excepting Nintendo here).

On console you're juggling patches and updates, installing to drive, you have concerns about whether games will play well on non-pro versions of the system, Xbox is traditionally hostile to physical media while PS is ending it.

If you're going to install digital games and download updates, worry about compatibility, might as well play on PC. Those issues are less on console, but present on both.

Meanwhile most games are getting PC ports (since modern consoles are very PC like and games need the extra sales), you're not as locked down to a single store, you have more room to upgrade incrementally (in theory). Operating system is also in favor of PC.

Ease of use I'd still grant that consoles have advantage, sure.

I don't argue all this to put down consoles, I love consoles and played only/mostly on consoles for many years. But I think there's a lot of truth to saying modern PS and Xbox have moved so close to PC that they're losing the pros and embracing the same cons.

This is a much more nuanced take I could agree with. The previous comment wasn't like that. I decided to go full PC gaming around the end of XBOX 360 generation, because I saw it coming and consoles were more PC like ever, and PCs (thanks to Steam) more console like ever. It's been what, 2 decades almost and I can say confidently that consoles are not exactly the same like PCs.

But in an other comment the user I replied to said he didn't even talk about all of the stuff, but was talking about the price. If we talk about the price, yeah sure, the gap has almost vanished. One of the biggest advantages of buying a console was also its initial price of hardware.

As for the PC more and more like console, it's even more true with something like Steam Machine and Steam Deck, but without the downside of locked down console. That's the closest we get to a console like experience and usability. Meanwhile current gen consoles have a PC architecture, getting digital only, supports keyboard (and mouse?) for selected games, updates are similar to PC, but without the issues of a PC. The user does not need to type in password on boot, doesn't need to update several parts of the system, no need to install drivers.

They are closer than ever in history of computing, PC and gaming. But there are lot of differences that I cannot say exactly the same (which you personally agree with me, based on the reply).

Good. Die.

Or you could download an emulator and play on a 10 year old laptop on a big screen tv.

Several of Sega's engineers went there after Sega hardware shut down.

This is true. Who wants to spend all that money at once. My PC may be more expensive than I console but I spent no more than $250 at a time as I upgraded it. People don't need $1000 graphics cards to play modern games.

Same, but mostly because a cute girl told me we could play GTA together if I got it on PS3

I think you can put SteamOS on those badboys now too, so you can say goodbye to shitty Android launchers

These companies have said plainly that they don't see prices returning to pre-pandemic levels even if the current economic crisis is resolved. Corpos are too greedy, and the people in power are even greedier.

Yeah, that's definitely directly comparable to a portable device like a Steam Deck or AYN Thor.

Not gonna pretend that I'm not one of them. I'd probably buy a Switch 3 today if they said it was bundled with Super Mario Odyssey 2.

I'm a sucker for first party N games.