I think that could only be really claimed if you know what training data the LLM was trained on. That will only matter if it ends up in court though and no one seems willing to fight that fight at the moment.

Tells you something about Microsoft Office

"... an AI slop version of Microsoft Office that doesn't fucking work" also known as Microsoft Office 365

He also asked to remove all the fun emojis because fun is banned in hell.

It's mark-phd-down, that's why it's not easy to start with.

I wonder how long this will hold. Remind me 3 years?

“because it is expected to code by hand but managing to vibe anything is amazing”.

I don't think it's wise to stake the future of computing on "It's not that the bear dances well, it's that the bear dances at all."

We steal your data: $5
We steal your data and tell you we don't: $10

The only reason Microsoft exists today is because of Exchange and an old market share on consumer/prosumer OS.

They're a glorified email hosting company and an embarrassment to software development. Idc what AI does to their shitty software. Fucking hate Outlook.

The wikipedia article on the effect covers this with an awfully blunt aside lol

The Lindy effect applies to non-perishable items, like books, those that do not have an "unavoidable expiration date".[2] For example, human beings are perishable

But they got stuck in infinity meetings

Yeah, I love little rules of thumb like that

How it looks, not how it works. Very buggy iir.

Based, x2

In my day we used bibtex, uphill, in the snow!

As long as it remains it's own fork, it shouldn't be an issue. Regardless, the US court already stupidly ruled that any AI generated code is "original"

Id be done for a "it just works" day to celebrate all of invisable labour that makes the world work

I think that was the joke, because MS Office sucks. lol

That's not really accurate, Azure is massive.

whooshing sound

Pretty much.

But irrelevant for most users. Azure can stay all it wants but we must be freed from the shackles of Microsoft Office

That is explicitly prohibited by virtually all proprietary software license agreements.

Companies were just dropping the entirety of their proprietary code base into chatbots to save money after firing their best developers. I bet that's where they're getting most of it.

Meanwhile I disagree with the prediction narrative. Because predictions should be padded with evidence and reason. „Its the future.“ or „It‘s not going anywhere.“ is being too vague and often just added at the end to hammer down an opinion. I think it doesn‘t support AI bros‘ argument at all. It actually just exposes them.

That’s supposed to be Labour Day/ May Day

Linux

Hells sewage tunnels.

.md files are agnostic and can be read by pretty much anything. I care for the content to be preserved, the “look” can be handled later. Considering sloppification,Data preservation and accessibility should be held to a premium at this point.

Best name ever. My issue is that its not very read friendly. (Had quite a headache doing papers in it.)

I threw about 10 short phrased meeting notes (4-5 words each) into an LLM to get some document formatting started with titles and sections etc. It built a full scope document and inferred a ton of information about the project and product.
It was surprising how much it could infer, and suggested very sensible testing criteria and alternate solutions should the main product path not pan out.

I can see why people start believing it "thinks", because it was remarkable what it "understood" about a vague new product. Had I sent the info out to stake holders, they would have assumed this person was a key team member that was involved from day 1.

maybe that's why some rando forbes editor is not a CEO of some nondescript startup.

I think “no AI” policies are a good thing and the intention is (likely) not literally forbidding AI; they couldn’t in any meaningful way. But the code should have a human attribution and ownership. If the code reeks of LLM, it’s shitty code quality. If people open MRs saying it was written by an agent, they distance themselves from their contribution but expect others to review and integrate it; which is also shitty behavior.

If on the other hand it’s well crafted code that was being thought through and refined, no one should or could care if an LLM was involved.

I guess most, honestly

They're using gig workers by the hundreds of thousands, if not millions to do "data annotation". You can actually make quite a bit if you've got higher credentials like Phd, masters, or a very good resume.

My theory is they've been using professionals to inadvertently leak proprietary methodologies. They could be doing so by creating problems for them to solve that lead people to inadvertently expose solutions based on their actual jobs.

It's lowkey corporate espionage.

Thx ill ckeck it out (and tx to the other typst folks, just too tired to keep replying )

Oh it learned enough from code that it has developed some basic, and hear me out of this, artificial verbal intelligence. I know I know, not just pattern matching, but actual artificial intelligence at a low level.

Please don't downvote me (sorry don't remember if this is fuckai or not) but I'm just saying it's one possible explanation to this phenomenon you describe.

It doesn't have to be only symbolic, the capabilities of the current models have the potential to blow a lot of locked-down hardware and software wide open. Proprietary firmware can be decompiled and reverse engineered by an LLM, sometimes in literally minutes.

I've been deeply sceptical about AI for a long time, but the stuff it's doing now can't be ignored and isn't going away. Personally, my stance is now that we should crack open everything we can and gain back control of our stuff while tokens are still relatively cheap and the AI companies are still solvent. Or they succeed in regulating open weight models and start locking down their own models' capabilities.

Like, wouldn't it be fantastic if all those proprietary vendor blobs in Android got decompiled and suddenly we get drivers that allow Linux to run with full functionality on any phone? What about jailbreaking our cars and nuking all the spyware? What about turning every cloud-dependent smart device into a local-only one? There's so much we could do.

Maybe for most personal users, but in B2B (where the money is) ...

collabora for me. Libreoffice-based but adjusted for "normies" (user interface from this century)

i would err towards it ingesting proprietary code before this, it's not wrong but AI spits out copyrighted and should-be private stuff all the time.

"Intelligence", as a word has always been ill defined. What's it mean? It's mostly been used to create prejudices via standardized tests, the bell curve, and IQ tests.

I don't believe it's "intelligent" as we don't really know how to define that. But I do think it's really really really good at writing reasonable seeming statements in various languages using probability.

Coding and programming, are just languages. So it will likely be able to get pretty damn good at it, just as it has with the English language.

I think with LLMs accurate regurgitation of facts, is the colary to good code.

But I don't believe that means it "thinks" (which requires introspection, and an internal experience). It does multi-agent computing, and this might even simulate some aspects of thinking... But it's not thinking. It's computing.

It won't be able to do any more than that, until it consistently gets data from having a body (and something like glial thought-interactions/organs/flaws/survival).

By the way, this also means if you could download a mind to a computer - it would slowly lose it's humanity as it lived longer and longer interfacing with computer systems rather than human systems/organs/experiencs.

Eventually that "uploaded human" would become a Clankr, and stop understanding human life, the will to survive/think. Eventually it would just compute (not think/care or have flaws).

Many sci-fi stories are based on the man-to-technology-to-cold-rational-evil pipeline... Less have gone in the other direction, even though it often produces very popular characters: Spock, Data, the Terminator, Pinnoccio.

It feels disengenuous to say people vibe code things.

I know it's correct English, I just think it's kind of a bullshit statement.

When dumbasses talk to AI's and the AI's do things for them, it's wild to think the credit goes to the dumbasses.

This is like your boss saying he did all your dev work and calling it "boss coding".

The 1995 user interface soothes my nerves but I will give collabora a try

There are studies and tools like LiCoEval and others that investigate LLM memorization. It does happen but it's not all the time, and it's very infrequent for real world (complex) examples. Mostly this concerns textbook examples or standard boilerplate code - from what I read. And I obviously don't know the specific example mentioned. This is also a problem that can be fixed.

But I'm really just half mocking the very careful language used by the comment I replied to.

This is nowhere near the first time in human history knowledge has been automated: writing, the printing press, mechanization, hard disks, databases, algorithms, the internet, all have done the same.

It isn't boolean. Programs can be buggy but improve. They aren't either perfect or nonfunctional.

I don't know if AGI is achievable. I do know AI will be capable of programming of increasing complexity.

Yes, eventually no one will care, that's my point. Using AI will become as normalized as using the internet for help, so the no AI policy will not hold. I agree that people should still own their changes and be held responsible for the quality.

Edit: I checked the actual source, they actually already allow the use of AI for contributions but with multiple restrictions: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy

They allow the use of AI for contributions but with multiple restrictions: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy