Many Eisenhower voters became Democrats when the GOP took a hard right in the late 60s/early 70s.

That was when republicans were the progressives and democrats were the conservatives, though.

Before the party flip, it makes little sense to refer to ‘republicans’ and ‘democrats’. Those labels changed, not only in their values, but what the ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’ platforms even were at that time, since there were different crossover issues than in today’s society.

Yep. Conservatives (edit: the Conservative bloc of American politics, not whatever other thing you're writing a snide reply about right now) came to be called that because they were interested in conservation of nature, before it came to describe fiscal policy or religious extremism. The conservatives of today are nothing like them.

Was it the 60's when there was the parties flipped? I always thought it was the 20's/30's with Hoover and FDR?

If they want to be the party of Lincoln they also have to be the party of Eisenhower.

There have been multiple realignments, the relevant one there was Nixon and the Southern Strategy.

Many "conservatives" of today shouldn't be called that imho, it's more like they are progressive but in a different direction

Don't suppose you can point to a comprehensive list of the realignments?

Yea, google the southern strategy, racist fucknutz from the south took over the GOP and the parties flipped with the former GOP politicians becoming Democrats

Comprehensive? Lord no, but Wikipedia does have a decent enough list here.

The flip was with FDR, but between 60s-80s they defined what the modern Republican is.

I always like to refer to this site and its infographic - https://kathleenkowal.com/blog/history-of-political-parties-in-the-us

Looks pretty comprehensive to me. Appreciate it!

Though the "Other possible political realignments" section feels a little liberal in its definition of "realignments", what with approximately every other election since 1964 being labeled as a realignment.

Regressives?

That's kinda why I called it not comprehensive, it seems a bit too inclusive for me to think that word quite applies.

to my understanding, that is very much not true.

the terminology of being a "conservative" did not come from supporting conservation of nature. that might be one aspect, and indeed, still today, there are conservatives that are very much interested in the conservation of nature, but this is not where it came from. it came from schools of thought in the american and french revolution concerning conservation of aspects of tradition, aristocracy, royalty, and religion.

afaik, this has also been the case tbroughout american history as well. perhaps you are referring to people like teddy roosevelt, who identified as a conservative to the public and had conservationist views and policies.

That happened after the Nixon presidency.

Mmm it was mid flip. Don't forget that Republicans railed against Social Security that FDR was proposing.

to my understanding, that is very much not true.

You say it's not true, but then you describe a time during which the word was used in a different way, as more of an adjective or categorization than to name a party defined by that category. I stand by what I said.

It started in the 50s, ironically because the GOP couldn’t make gains in the south, so they started to appeal to southern white racists to get their vote. It wasn’t a quick thing

Quick edit, I should say its roots started in the 50s. Nothing of which belays the point that the GOP that freed the slaves is the same GOP that likes to say they are the party of Lincoln

Before the major flip during the Southern Strategy of the 60s/70s, though.

That’s sort of what I meant by crossover issues early on making even ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’ muddy, even beyond ‘Republican’ and ‘Democratic’ being basically meaningless to our modern ears.

They’re just reactionaries

The last good Republican president.

I've seen similar before, but it's a good broad view of how things moved around. It wasn't a flip in the 60s, but a migration of the Dixiecrats (Civil Rights was just too far for them) and dying off of the more liberal side of the Republicans, so those voters scattered, some coming to the Democrat side since that's where support for things like social programs went.

Ho ho! There's at least 5 millionaires here, judging by the downvotes!

Consolidate the emotions into lifestyle and you end up with easily manipulated groups to lead for your agendas... CIA style.

From politics to to subcultures...

It's the reason why everything seems to lose its soul.

I think it really started in the 30s, with the understanding of psychology for marketing.

Check of Century of Self on YouTube... It's documentary... 4 hours.

No, that's misinformation. The fathers of conservative thought, Edmund Burke and Joseph DeMaistre, were literally monarchists: the the only thing they want to "conserve" is hierarchy. The conservatives of today are the truest to their origins that they've been since the Confederacy.

The Alt-Right Playbook Endnote 3: Origins of Conservatism

Or theres five people who understand the political parties flipped and Democrats used to be the conservatives and Republicans the progressives and this meme makes zero interesting point

He also massively expanded the CIA and FBI to target activists, destroyed Iran, was massively Homophobic (leader of the lavender scare) and was a huge Franco fan.

I think the unintentional point you can draw is that party politics are absurd

A little misleading but the general point is accurate.

It was 91% on income >$200k. Adjusted for inflation would be ~$1.7M, according to Politifact. Still not at all a crazy amount of money. I mean that's well into the 1% earners.

They weren't an American political party referred to as Conservatives though. Thanks for the supplementary history but maybe try not being so combative with presenting it in the future.

Conservatives came to be called that because they were interested in conservation of nature, before it came to describe fiscal policy or religious extremism.

You made this totally incorrect statement without any evidence and now you're arguing with a person (who seems to actually know history) who accurately described the origin of the political term "conservative." What's up with that?

Amazing how everyone who has shown up to "um akshually" me is either misinterpreting what I said or talking mad shit without making a point. Blocked because you're doing the latter.

There were plenty progressive Democrats back then, who do you think lead the New Deal and Great Society movements? The parties did not line up so neatly into "progressive" and "conservative" during this time. There was a lot more variety within each party, and both parties had both left- and right-leaning wings that often disagreed

When you make shit up and state it as fact, you're going to find people disagree with you. Taking that personally sounds hard

That's absolutely not true. It has always referred to preserving traditions and institutions.

Does anyone actually know how taxes work in the US? Eisenhower didn't tax millionaires at 90% only the top portion of their income got taxed that high. The US has a progressive tax bracket system, look it up if you want to know more about us taxes than 99.9 percent of US citizens.

I had to explain this to my retired parent, who worked their entire life handling payroll. It’s genuinely appalling that the system is so effective at keeping the public uninformed.

Didn't he drop more explosives on Korea than was dropped in the entirety of world war 2 or something like that? He was directly responsible for the establishment of the military I dustrial complex.

Nobody earned enough to be taxed in the top bracket. That was the entire point. To avoid that top bracket, businessmen lowered prices, or paid employees higher wages, or purchased tax deductible goods and services. What they didn't do was take additional profit, because the IRS would claim 91% of those profits. Everything the businessman did to avoid that punitive top tier was of great benefit to the economy.

Well , “good” for a Republican in the 20th century. It’s a low bar

Yeah that's fair, he did realise the magnitude of what he'd created and regretted it all the way to his deathbed. I suspect Lindsay Graham died pontificating on his love of needless murder while what whatever exploded his arsehole did what it did to explode it.

Your average US president, then.

yea the southern strategy.

You win here if you take the L.

Accepting corrections shows that you are a serious person who is interested in the truth, not in scoring meaningless victory points.

To put it another way, you are acting like Trump. Inability to back down is incredibly weak.

That's basically every tax system excluding the ones without taxes or that apply a flat rate to everyone.

Financial obesity is neurotoxic, an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

Francois rene de chateaubriand

Businesses also plowed money back into their companies to make them bigger and thus employed more people.