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Even if you were right this message would be irrelevant to 99% of the population and within the 1% who know or care who he is, minimum 75% wouldn't be swayed by him saying that. Plus, him saying he used it is not praise.

The man has clearly gone senile, going from the human label of person to gear.

Trying to use the plagiarism machine that also causes DOT lobotomied as a convenient side effect will not land you in the good graces of anyone with a functioning brain.

Go away Nazi

The tech bros have insane GPU lease agreements. More than they can reasonably afford/use. When "amateurs" can recreate photoshop, 1000x "free" (would be wasted) compute at a better photoshop they control is something they can do too, and beat OSS and adobe. There are capable decompiler to readable/organized source code agents now too. At one point, the LLM labs can stop releasing new models, and just steal everything themselves.

This is very much the problem I have. We have officially reached the point where the average artist on Deviant Art has less intellectual property rights than the average even LLC let alone megacorp like Disney.

He was already pretty dumbed down back when he used to shit on C++. From there to the neutering he went on (we don't get middle fingers for Nvidia anymore) and now this... it's sad to watch.

Die a hero or else, as the saying goes.

I completely agree, using an open model would be far more inline with the spirit of open source.

I can see a completely different kind of future where local models that run on commodity software get good enough for what most people need to do. At that point we'd be in a world that Stallman envisioned with every user having full control over what's running on their machine, and being able to build whatever features they want. We already see how it's becoming trivial to reverse engineer complex apps like Photoshop, or to crack PS5 games using LLMs. We are likely end up in a world where closed source is dead because code itself no longer has any value because anybody can copy and reproduce any application trivially.

And we are already starting to get there. Qwen 3.8 27b is comparable in terms of capability to Opus 4.6 which was a frontier model just half a year ago. If Qwen 4 gets to about Opus 5.5 level sometime next year, that's going to be good enough for making vast majority of software that people need. After that it's just a matter of further optimization or hardware getting better so it can run on most computers. But just to reiterate, it's already running on consumer grade hardware, and it can do real work today.

It was already clear. Anybody speaking otherwise has already been tagged and flagged as such.

Linux Foundation has financial backers. He's gotta give them lip service to keep them excited and happy. Anthropic is now a Gold Member. Oracle, Microsoft, Google, Meta, Amazon are all Platinum Members.

FOSS has always been subject to corporate meddling in their governance. There's a reason we call it Linux and not GNU-Linux. GNU gets no money so GNU goes nowhere.

Linus gives a headline using agents, Linux gets millions to continue doing real work. That's the game they are playing, for better or worse.

So which is it? Should people (and AI companies) be prosecuted for copyright violations or should people (and AI companies) not be prosecuted for copyright violations?

If you want equal application of those laws, that is.

It looks like many AI skeptics have been having a change of heart and maybe some growing dread. You spend the time and it streamlines through the tough problem and it cracks firmware, builds valid specs, reverse engineer enterprise software, it’s been an interesting week.

In some ways I think it might be good, perhaps a significant decrease in proprietary prison cage ecosystems. But at the same time, I have an ever growing dread that we are jumping off the knowledge cliff. The most experienced people are seeing revolutionary productivity, while the least experienced are gaining more capability without the foundational knowledge.

The future may have students who learn nothing, know nothing, and worse they will be happy with nothing.

I’m ready to unplug and live a near Amish lifestyle. Fuck modernity.

I’m not sure I agree with the idea that the necessary level of compute will be made available to the average person. We are already well into a paradigm where the average “PC” is an iPad or similar, with Google locking down Android and Microsoft… being Microsoft, I just don’t have any optimism that the future will have the same kind of access to personal computing power or even software access. The “tin-foil hat” part of my brain says that the purchasing years worth of chips output is part of a conspiracy to keep consumers and potential competitors at bay more than it’s a requirement for new models.

I hope I am wrong, but I am not holding my breath.

Hear hear.

Sweet lord I hate these things. They get rid of all the best parts of being human and leave only the shitty parts.

The correct and moral thing to do would be the absolute eradication of the technology and enacting a global non-proliferation treaty. Unfortunately I'm not likely to see that in my lifetime so I'm likely forced to live with the slow collapse of humanity into comfort and leisure.

Either one would be better than the current situation. And let's be real, we aren't gonna have a say in it anway

It doesn't matter. The law needs to pick one and be consistent.

If you want my personal opinion, I've been against a lot of copyright law most of my life, but I'm beginning to rethink that with this so called AI. I think we need strong protections against commercial infringement while maintaining strong personal fair use. The details of course are complex.

People shouldn't be and companies should, neither should be, both should be, the current situation, in order of decreasing preference.

That would essentially be a position in favor of prosecuting Aaron Swartz

There are already chips being developed specifically for running LLMs, so it's almost certain this will become akin to having a GPU in the future.

• https://www.anuragk.com/blog/posts/Taalas.html
• https://wccftech.com/alibabas-tsmc-built-5nm-risc-v-chip-xuantie-c950-now-runs-qwen-3-8-27b-model-natively-unlocking-massive-vertical-integration-tailwinds/

And this tech is now being developed in China as well, so you might not have to rely on western hardware either going forward. Chinese companies are building stuff on top of RSIC-V like the Alibaba chip I linked above, and I fully expect there will be a lot of focus on Linux as China continues to decouple from the US tech stack.

How the education system adjusts to this tech will be interesting to watch. I expect that humans who understand how stuff works is going to be a requirement for the foreseeable future, and societies will inevitably adjust. There's always been panic and chaos every time new a disruptive technology has been invented, but humanity inevitably adjusts to it. I don't see any reason to think this will be any different.

No. Aaron did not distribute any of the work, settled in a civil suit and was prosecuted later.

Copyright was not the problem there.

the reason they can "violate" the rules is that violation is defined loosely enough that feeding millions of legally aquired contents to the AI is probably as legal as making a collage.

burning a million gallons of desil to get a 1% efficiency improvement in all desil engines will result in less total desil consumption in less than a year. The linux kernel is used enough you need to consider the billions of users that will each get a small efficiency improvement.

Calling everyone you don't like nazis?

human labor is purchasable and its outputs are usable for whatever the purcaser wants to use them for. this is the purpose of employment, employees need not know what their output is used for.

I would like to not have my fine art photography taken for free and ground into slop.

Calling a Nazi what he is. Learn to identify naziofascism before it bites you back. Unless you're a serpent's egg too.

He used ai from evil american capitalist corporations, instead of one from good chinese communist corporations though.

I’d say there is something to panic about. Look at the hand made lace economy vs the Industrial Revolution, the outcome is nearly the complete loss of a skill or art form. Now take what the trend is with these LLMs, we are outsourcing the hard thinking, the struggle, the thing that forces us to expand our knowledge to a device that can do all of that 90% faster; what will the outcome be? Sure there are some people making lace by hand, but as a hobby, will we still have people in the future who will read text and write letters on paper as a hobby in the future?

Nobody can prove this is the case. Linus sees coding LLMs as an inevitable evolution and compares them to what compilers were for Assembly.

I don't personally think this particular use of LLMs is unethical, but using open models would definitely improve the look.

for people wondering what "folios" in Linux memory management are: https://lwn.net/Articles/937239/

Linus regularly posted on Google+, it's more like he himself isn't that into foss and sees everything as a utility to use

Is this the beginning of the end for Linux?

I can't edit to see Linus fucking loose it with Claude.

Nobody freaks out when skilled programmers/professionals use AI, it's actually a tool for them and not full-on skill substitution.

Linus has said that he reads compiler output. I have no doubt that he reads the code, I'm not particularly worried about bad code.

I just hope he doesn't get lazy and brainrotted like I've seen happen with coworkers. People who used to call themselves "software craftsmen" now shipping 1k+ line changesets with fully generated documentation.

Yeah, of all the people out there using Claude, he's the absolute least worrisome. He'll read the whole thing, and if he doesn't like anything at all that it does, he won't let it do it.

… obviously he can read it but you people insist it takes so much more time to do it this way. Linus is proving that is a lie. Why would he do that if writing code was so much easier?

Also you people cry about the water usage etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. the water is being used here. Why is it okay for him to do it?

You also don’t know him. Maybe he’s not reading every piece of code.

Yall are hypocrites. Fucking hypocrites. And yall gatekeep from people “you don’t know”(aka if you aren’t already fucking famous you’ve got the mark of the beast Abe deserve ridicule). Yall can’t see how you’re fighting the fight for the oligarchs. You can’t see how you pick and choose who is allowed to use new tech. Fuck all of yall hypocrites. You’re wrong.

What you’re saying is that if you aren’t a famous programmer you deserve to be ridiculed for using the same tool?

And how do you square this with all the crying about water?!

I see you’re the arbiter of who has a functioning brain now.

lots of people freak out actually (not me)

Sure, buddy. That’s what everyone is doing.

he's a us empire aligned capitalist -- of course he would

Where did I say famous? Read harder. Water concerns are separate from wreckless vibe-coding concerns.

If I'm at the wheel or some other newbie vibe coder, FTFO. Senior devs that use it as a time-saving tool? I'm happy to trust their judgement.

Not if you're famous, if you're bad at coding on your own