• tried to stay positive, then misfortune strikes
• tried making friends, ended up ghosted
• tried looking for better job, then scammed
• tried save money, inflation happens
• tried sell product online, fees and tax cut, also less buyers.
• tried theraphy, the solution only dont think about it, its okay (if only it was that easy)
• tried being nice, taken advantage of
• tried being honest, get hatred
• tried religion, yet god let million of nice person suffers
• tried sleep, need regular medication
• tried work hard, ended up surgery and years of rehabilitation

at this point, i am so tired with whatever i do, it always doesnt work.

right now i can relate why some people choose to become evil person, because being good and nice person in this world is just not as rewarding as bad people does. even those people who ghosted and bullied me ended up becoming rich and succesful, and here i am struggle everyday. life is really unfair world.

For staying positive, staying positive won’t prevent disaster, but it can help you move past it. For saving money, ideally invest it, either get a high yield savings account at >3% interest which (roughly) beats inflation. Or try an index fund if you can save that money for long term.

We live in a world ruled by billionaire pedophiles, so the system rewards behavior similar to that.

On the other side of that - do not worry about being a “nice” person when that means your own well-being is being taken away. Be kind to yourself first (how you can, I know it’s not easy), then try to be around people who have similar ideals.

Society at large can be soul crushing. Life is hard and not fair. I don’t have an answer for you beyond what I wrote but I hope you can find some rest and a small relief in your near future.

Most of these posts assume that the goal for being nice and good is FOR the rewards. Like, "I donate to my homeless shelter all the time, and do I get any thanks? The HELL with them!" That is where it usually fails. The real trick is being strong enough to stay nice DESPITE the lack or rewards, or even inconvenience. You are nice and good because it's a core of who you are, not just for flattery and incentives.

it feels like this in video games where you actually get rewarded more for being evil.

Try to consider being kind as its own reward, rather than something you do to gain another result

Practicing these things

• Honesty
• Responsibility
• Kindness
• Generosity
• Compassion

have yielded me wealth beyond measure. Idk about "good and nice."

Pretty much all of the examples you provided happen to shitty people too, probably at a hiring rate in many cases. The benefit of being a good person on those situations is that at least you can take pride in not being a turd. Take your list, and reverse the logic for each input and see if that would make you feel better.

• Maintained a crappy attitude, then misfortune strikes.
• Spent all of my money, inflation happens.
• Was a jerk, taken advantage of.
• Was a liar, get hatred.

Just a handful of examples.

Moral and ethical behavior ultimately results in fewer problems and a better experience over all.

I've seen plenty of selfish people (whose actions often harmed others), and they ultimately destroyed their own lives through their folly.

I've known a lot of selfish wealthy people and most are pretty miserable - paranoid, lonely, etc. I also know a handful wealthy people who are kind, generous, and humble - they have amazing lives.

I know people who have led very simple lives, who worked hard, just did without when they couldn't afford something, and avoided the greed and materialism of mainstream consumerism - that takes self-discipline and a special kind of consciousness. Ultimately their legion of friends and neighbors helped them when they got knocked down.

What you are seeing when evil men prosper is not their own work or evil designs; it is the safety net that has been given to them to prevent accumulating the consequences of their actions. donny, Musk, and their peers all were raised in extremely privileged circumstances. They have been protected from the consequences of their evil deeds their entire lives - you don't have that. You won't get away with anything because you don't have a rich father to pay your bail, hire a top lawyer, or buy a Supreme Court Justice a million-dollar RV.

Material things do not guarantee happiness. Try reading some Epictetus, Seneca, or my favorite, Marcus Aurelius. This is a topic of frequent dialogue among the Stoics.

I'm nice because it makes me feel good. That's the only reward I need.

This sounds like either bad mood or depression, depending on how long it has been going on.

My impression is that you're getting way in over your head on these issues when it's just your body failing to produce the right endorphins.
Yes, having successes can help to produce endorphins, but our bodies are dumbasses. Literally going outside when it's sunny is often more effective. Doing sports is often more effective.

Yes, this means struggling against it some more. Having depression is not easy. But I'm also saying that the solution might be much simpler than fixing the whole world. And you should not focus on fixing the whole world, you should focus on fixing your dumbass body.

The ideal, if you want to get nice behavior out of people, is to be strict and fair at the same time with them. If people are nice to you, you treat them ten times more nicely. If people are mean to you, you treat them ten times more meanly, and seek out every opportunity to break their happiness until they surrender. You do not have to be evil; it is not good to always be mean like the evil people do, since they create enemies who will come to you for support, and that is their weakness. You just have to be just and measured, rewarding those who do you well, and punishing those who do you wrong.

Most of the things you listed are not moral things.

• staying positive
• making friends
• looking for a better job
• saving money
• selling online
• therapy
• religion
• sleep

All of these have nothing to do with moral good or evil. An evil person can stay positive that their plan to steal credit from coworker will result in their promotion. An evil person can make friends and take more than they give from the relationship. An evil person can take a better job that exploits vulnerable populations. An evil person can hoard wealth... And on and on.

It seems like you are saying things aren't working out for you financially, socially, etc. And for a lot of that cognitive behavioral therapy can certainly help you reframe bad thinking and patterns to make things better. That doesn't mean all your problems are solved, but it can make things better.

Many of the things you listed are wise things to do rather than morally good. And even if they don't result in your idea of "success" they almost always result in something better than having not done them. For example saving money. Let's say you save 10,000 and inflation makes it only have the purchasing power of 8,000. You find yourself in a spot where you are unemployed and that 8,000 is going to be a saving grace. It will help your life way more than if you had blown it on 10,000 worth of vacations or consumer goods.

Being a genuine good human doesn't make life easier, but it gives you peace of mind, because it's the right thing to do.

And if people feel, that you mean it genuinely, they are much more likely to help you back.

Do no harm and take no shit.

Being nice is an act of rebellion in a cold, uncaring world. If it is your nature to try to do good, don't let other people not being there yet stop you being yourself.

Right, you shouldn't expect to be rewarded for it.
I expected also more negative things or at least people taking it for granted but to my surprise I got very positive reactions from a few basic kind acts.
When I hear people told my GF I'm always there for them and one of the few people they can count on that means a lot.

It’s less financially rewarding because most of the developed world exists in the context of late stage capitalism and / or oligopoly.

You’re going about this all wrong. Morality is similar to religion in that it’s make-believe. Good vs. evil discourse is unserious, despite most people in bourgeois states taking it seriously, as well as corporate media.

Previously:

This “evil/not evil” metaphysical dichotomy is a moral framework. There are no intrinsically ”evil” people, and I would drop that moral framework.

Philosophy professor and YouTuber Hans-Georg Moeller:

• Why Sam Harris is Wrong - A Critique of Sam Harris' "The Moral Landscape"
• If Morality Exists Everything Is Permitted. (Q&A)
• Hans-Georg Moeller - The Moral Fool: A Case for Amorality

Same. But another thing I add when I don't feel like being nice is "be nice out of spite." Spite is against a universe trying to make me mean and bitter. "Oh the Universe is cold and uncaring," yeah well, fuck the universe, then. I'm not doing for the universe, I am doing it for me.

This just sounds like life. You sound like you're in a depression slump because I start to view things the same way when I get in these slumps.

Being a helpful person is actually more rewarding to your well being than being a scammer. Read or listen to the YouTube audiobook, "The Art of Happiness by Dalai Lama"

If it wasn't, everyone would do it.

Why are you treating this like it's transactional?

Your character is a reflection on you and not a ticket to preferential treatment.

You can be nice, but establish boundaries. You don't have to set yourself on fire to keep others warm.

• tried theraphy, the solution only dont think about it, its okay (if only it was that easy)

the usual response is to try a different therapist

that examples is what supposed to be happened and totally deserved, what is not fair it also happened to nice person and what is the point of pride if it is not rewarding at all?

because i prefer that nice person is fairly rewarded, they deserve good treatment but in fact it often happened backward instead.

i do set boundaries, i stopped once i was taken advantage of but still i feel that i am just wasting my effort of being nice which is frustating.

agreed, sometimes i think "god" is believed to be almighty but yet so stupid. if i am god, i will simply make system that instantly rewards nice person and punish bad person, then all is solved, world become utopia.

yes those big corpos can run away with anything even its bad stuff.

unfortunately there is limit for it, i am already at the point i am so tired of being nice.

video games often based on real life so i am not suprised

thanks, lot of stuff happened to me, so its actually really hard to stay being nice person and i just hope that its better in the future.

yeah i just hate it when disaster happened on innocent people and i do invest yet inflation is just too high. life is just that bad.

i cannot understand being kind as its own reward, even people that donates and helps people in the street do monetize their content to get rewarded in form of attention and money which is another result

i still doubt that "they are much more likely to help you back" when i done plenty of right thing yet either much more likely betrayed or taken advantage of.

nah i dont want to waste any more money and time for theraphy, i prefer to treat it myself as much as possible.

Most people helping in the street are not monetizing it as content. Only the ones you see on YouTube

If you're being honest and nice to be rewarded, then you're doing it wrong. You do it because it's the right thing to do.

I was going to say this same thing exactly.

The benefit of being nice is living in a nice place with nice people, not winning some zero sum game of immediate gratification

Modern people in my experience work under the idea of "everyone's dirty so it's fine if I'm doing amoral acts", if you're doing the opposite you are showing them that there's a way, integrity, goodness or whatever you wish to call it. They will hate you for it, but that's not a fault of your own, it's just their psyche trying to defend themself, not quite extensional threat but to their eyes it's an eye sore.

Yeah, getting to be nice and spreading smiles and just happiness around is all anyone can hope for.

You win some and lose some. Careerwise or monetarily it’s tougher but not inherently. Just capitalism. And I’d rather lose there and win in warmness and having nice and amazing people around

I'm late but as others have said, your logic is a little wonky. I would prescribe a dose of philosophy. Start with Plato.

Being nice isn't about getting stuff for yourself

“What you’re talking about is the theory of Moral Desert Elenor, that we do good things for the rewards.”
“The real question is what do we owe to each other“
“The drinks are on me. Good luck.”

As a trans person get this so much. I've turned mean and dry as a person, specially to men. Somehow making fun of the men attracted to me gives me some sense of power I never have.

Have you tried to just sit in silence? That's rewarding as hell.

Honest answer you don't wanna hear?

If you're good to reap a benefit, you're not good. You just tried maximizing your own profit by this and failed.

Being "good and nice" is an ethical decision and will not inherently reward you.
Being evil is easy, as it's our native state of existence. Egoisim, egocentrism, anthropocentrism.
A cold heart can't take any harm.

Being evil makes life in an evil world (capitalism, humanity itself) much easier. Yes. But also you're part of the problem, not the solution.
Even though noone gives a shit what you insect (no insult, just emphasizing our insignificance) do.

You will never be rewarded for doing the right or good thing. Or extremely rarely. Mostly you'll be ridiculed, scammed, made fun of, exploited and whatever else.

Personally, I don't give a fuck. I am what I am, if anyone wants to exploit me, it's their loss. Looking for equals is hard, but very rewarding.

Lemme quote a game (lol...):

"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

Being evil is not the natural state of existence.

If that were the case, humanity would have never come this far.

I think I agree with your observation. Simple example:

I tried reducing hobbies to image printing in alternative photography: CMYK... simple except that no matter what store you visit everyone already bought the M magenta. Specifically M122 quinacridone magenta because it's transparent and permanent lightfast.

It doesn't matter little thing we do, the orange asshole at the wheel is working to fuck it up. Now thanks to inflation I have to think about not retiring and maybe a second job. Just don't get sick until you bite the dust.

Anyway, I think maybe you should just be as open-minded as possible to understand each misfortune for what it might be so you can adjust the way you are or expect. Like getting ghosted by a friend... maybe you are way tooo much and they can't stand it. Maybe they changed something like got a girlfriend or boyfriend that doesn't really like you. Maybe they got a second job?

Oh right, altruism and being nice-to-each-other is so intrinsic, hence we all get along so greatly and the world is a peaceful place to enjoy.
You might be, my friend, but the majority of people obviously only cares for themselves and - to some extent as it benefits them - for others, if capabilities are left.
Most even need religion to be told what is good and bad, those are the worst.
Homo homini lupus est...

Wish you were right though, but that'd just be optimistic projection.