Don't bother. Delayed release is bullshit. Just dumping powder in there should get the same result.

Seems like some American dishwashers are connected to the hot water line. Probably because the power available from a standard electrical outlet can't heat fast enough.

Ok fair, it's almost certainly a factor here, but may not be the only cause

Were you using the expensive powder?

Daily, occasionally twice a day

By which I mean, I do quickly wash them by hand if there’s any obvious gunk, and no one would realistically tell me not to.

The whole point of this topic is that you're not supposed to have to do that 😅

Watch the video someone else posted in this thread. It briefly touches on timed release pods. They tested and the whole thing disolves at once, within seconds.

I have an old (must be 20yo) budget bench dishwasher and never have any issue with anything not being clean. Never done pre-wash and often overpack it.

Again with this America-centric view

I know, but for my dishwasher specifically, you kinda do :D

Oh you (rest of the world), with your 220vac everywhere and your "yeah electricity can heat that up" attitude.

Yeah right like if my dishes aren't coming out right that's the first place I look.

It's pretty simple, really...if it's draining too slow and the dishwasher doesn't realize it, it's gonna spray dirty water far later than it should band.

Where my washer seems to struggle is shit that dries on real good. Parfait is probably the worst. Which is funny, because e'rybody loves parfait.

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I was using Cascade Complete powder.

Ah yes, Dishwashers and their operation. The quintessential americana. Surely no one else in the world has dishwashers but America.

I can report back since my ex did it once. Suds came out of the dishwasher while it was running, otherwise no big deal. Worked fine afterwards, didn't develop any leaks or anything.

She also used liquid hand soap for laundry once, smelled a bit funny and might not have gotten as clean as otherwise, but otherwise nothing bad happened

If I don't pre-rinse, no matter how clean my filter is, I end up with little bumps of gunk on all my plates and bowls. You can't see them, but you sure as shit can feel them. There's no way I will ever stop pre-rinsing

As someone who never reads manuals. This.

That dishwasher isn't designed to be self-cleaning -- it needs help. Clean the filter regularly. Maybe every other load depending on how you pre-wash.

Same vibe for a lint filter in your washing machine. I think many people check the dryer lint trap, but the washer also has one. And the dryer vent hose will collect lint.

There are air filters in your furnace, probably, that need to be checked too, not just the intakes in a few rooms; and the AC drain line needs to be cleaned occasionally or it will back up and make a water mess.

There are just a thousand maintenance tasks that we are presumably supposed to just know, but no one told us, and can become serious problems when they are ignored. As the world becomes more complicated, there are only more of these.

There’s a debris filter? Uh oh….

That's not a typical reaction. Either there was only a non existent amount of dish soap or the thing wasn't left running long enough for it to be really bad.

It almost always results in suds being EVERYWHERE and the same thing happening over and over again if the dish washer isn't cleaned properly afterwards.

Some things you can just put in, some things need a long soak and a steel wool scrub.

Fond on stainless? Baked on protein? Ancient debris? You might need to do it manually.

I don't know, man, just put it through and if it doesn't come off, LEARN what you can and can't like a normal human being, jesus.

A good way to start, if you're an infant, is to soak all your dishes for like 6-12 hours, and inspect to see what comes off easily and what doesn't.

All this talk about soaking or not soaking is like mormon young adults trying to bend the walls that skydaddy built.

You could spend that saved $40 on the powder, and now you're sitting on ~4 years worth of detergent.

Do the same for washing clothes.

Buy foodstuffs in bulk when able.

Same with personal soap/shampoo/etc.

Now you're sitting on few hundred $ in savings a year.

Right, but it'll work properly. Appliances should work properly.

I overfilled with regular dishwasher detergent once and triggered the overflow sensor. The dishwasher drained itself correctly, but bubbles in the little tube kept the float locked in the overflow position until they all popped, hours later. The soap residue left in the sensor bubbled up for several cycles afterward, repeating the problem. You can, theoretically, unscrew it from its mount and tip it forward to make the bubbles pop faster but that sounded like a recipe for disaster.

I cannot imagine what dumping regular-ass dishsoap would do to my dishwasher, but based on the above I'd probably just put a round in it and look for a new one.

That is actually a perfect example of what I'm saying. You immediately assumed that we're talking about a "rated" "appliance" and not, for example, a "screw" "driver"

I don't need 4 years' worth of detergent taking up space. I'm happy to have a little box of pods I replace occasionally when I go to Costco.

Yeah, I could spend a bunch of time and effort maximizing my savings. But I spend 50 hours a week plus a commute earning money, and that's all the time I'm devoting to it. When I'm off the clock I'm done trying to make or maximize income. I spend that time living. It's worth $40 a year to me to not deal with powder.

I think the 220vac is just Europe, isn't it?

Residue is a sign of too much soap in the dishwasher. Try reducing the amount of soap. Also, it massively helps to put a little bit inside the chamber and not just the soap compartment. The dishwasher has two washes, pre-wash and main wash, and without soap, pre-wash will be almost useless. With soap, it will drastically reduce the necessary amount of soap in the main wash, meaning no more residue for you.

I, uh, have to hand wash all of mine so 🫩

From Wikipedia: Mains electricity by country.

Looks like really most the world is on 220.

Someone else posted a video that covered this. Some dishwashers (not mine) have a pre-wash spot for putting the soap. In the video, the guy had his spot actually on top of the soap door, so it would be measured but falls straight in with the dishes when you close the door for the pre-wash. He said in the video to just add a tablespoon of dishwashing powder on the door or in the bottom if yours doesn't have a prewash spot.

I have learnt a lot from that video and all the comments here!

You mean detergent right?

Apologies for the youtube link but this guy fits in nicely with the lemmy crowd and made a 40min video about optimal use of dishwashers and detergent. He does promote a specific powder detergent... but its from a good company 👈👈😎 and backed with science.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX2_mPr9W8&pp=ygUhdGVjaG5vbG9neSBjb25uZWN0aW9ucyBkaXNod2FzaGVy

It has a purpose when cleaning by hand

Wat? We have 230v also. We have both 120v and 220/240.

"This guy"!? How dare you disrespect Alec like that! :P

If you're nerdy enough to be on Lemmy, you're likely nerdy enough to already be a fan of Technology Connections; just sayin'.

The variables are too numerous for you to say it's not working properly if it starts with cold water

Lmao you right, I was being a little too casual. Gotta put some respec on his name 😂

Alec Watson puts out some top notch content

Also very fair point but happy to spread the word just in case

i always, always set my dirties in the sink, drizzle some dawn in/on and soak them in hot water mostly overnight but a minimum of five hours. rinse and load and they come out spotless every time

That sounds like almost as much work as washing by hand!

He's poking fun at our anemic half phase electrical system. In places with 220/240V electrical is the norm, electrical heating elements are more powerful so there's no need to get the water warm using the kitchen tap before running the dishwasher.

Used to have issues. Alec has solved them all for me. Great video.

Not for washing. Usually there will be settings like quick wash, normal, heavy and "pots and pans". There is a high temp and low temp option, but that is for drying the dishes.

Learn something new everyday, thanks mate

lol fair enough

its not, though. takes less than a minute per dish

So does washing by hand 😆

For stoves and ovens, not dishwashers.

I didn't say it's not working properly with cold water, I said if it needs pre-heated water to work properly as the video contends, the efficiency regulations need to take that into consideration.

It can be for anything you like. Dishwashers, dryers, heaters, hot water tanks, ac units, ovens, stoves, welders, car chargers, air compressors, hell, I've seen 220v coffee makers. If an appliance needs 220 it can be supplied.

Your previous comment did not say "if;" it said "should."