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Legendary bassist Leland Sklar put a switch on his bass that does nothing. He calls it the "producer switch" — when a producer asks for a different sound, he flips the switch (making sure the producer can see), and carries on. He says this placebo has saved him a lot of grief.
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TastehWaffleZ lemmy.world TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world
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My mom used to do faux decorative wall painting for rich clients. They would pick a sample and she would paint the walls to match but she found that they often complained after the work was done, even when it was exactly what they wanted.

She ended up getting a spray bottle with water that had a bit of food coloring and called it a “toning layer” that she would spray on the wall. It didn’t change anything but it made the clients think their feedback mattered, she said it almost always worked and they’d be elated afterwards.

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Z745812939054 lemmy.zip Z745812939054@lemmy.zip
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#3 · Quote Reply

producers and engineers do this to musicians too, pretending to turn up the monitor mix on the console while looking at the artist until they signal "ok"

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deeprlyeh lemmus.org deeprlyeh@lemmus.org
Joined: 2026-08-14
#4 · Quote Reply

My mom used to do faux decorative wall painting for rich clients. They would pick a sample and she would paint the walls to match but she found that they often complained after the work was done, even when it was exactly what they wanted. She ended up getting a spray bottle with water that had a bit of food coloring and called it a “toning layer” that she would spray on the wall. It didn’t chan...

In the same idea, artist will give the clients multiple samples with one being terrible to help them select the better options.

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omega_x3 lemmy.world omega_x3@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-13
#5 · Quote Reply

I once worked at a place that had a piece of equipment that still had one of the old analog drives and a few operators would complain and complain until they found an electrician to adjust it and then it would run like crap until we hooked up a scope to it to fix it. So I told one of the senor electricians to mount a potentiometer to the panel and run the wires to ground and just tell everyone to use that to make adjustments. Worked great for years.

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gh0stb4tz lemmy.world gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-11-18
#6 · Quote Reply

In the same idea, artist will give the clients multiple samples with one being terrible to help them select the better options.

This doesn’t always work. Sometimes clients pick the terrible option. T_T

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UnfortunateShort lemmy.world UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-19
#7 · (edited) Quote Reply

In the same idea, artist will give the clients multiple samples with one being terrible to help them select the better options.

Except sometimes they selected it and thus hilarious examples of modern art and corporate identity were brought to light

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driftwood lemmy.zip driftwood@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-07-29
#8 · Quote Reply

Leland never realizing the producers were just invisibly throwing up their hands and thinking ‘that’s just what this guy sounds like…’

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TomMasz lemmy.world TomMasz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#9 · Quote Reply

He's played with everyone. Just take a look at his Wikipedia page. He knows how to handle producers.

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Scrubbles poptalk.scrubbles.tech scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
Joined: 2023-06-02
#10 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter.

Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big, or the width of a divider too large. They'll call that out, feel like they contributed, and likely the entire demo will be spent talking about the inane thing on the page. Then go fix the 2-ish lines of code and move on with your day.

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SpaceNoodle lemmy.world SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#11 · Quote Reply

This doesn’t always work. Sometimes clients pick the terrible option. T_T

That's why you always hide a duck in it

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SpaceNoodle lemmy.world SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#12 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter. Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big...

This is valuable advice I wish I had known decades ago. You can't always avoid shit managers.

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Electric_Druid lemmy.world Electric_Druid@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-14
#13 · Quote Reply

Heard a similar story from bassist Chuck Rainey about being asked by a producer before session not to play slap during a certain section of a song. Same guy kept saying "something is missing but I don't know what" and kept making them retake. Then the one time Chuck decided to slap again, the guy said "yes that's exactly what I'm looking for"

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greygore lemmy.world greygore@lemmy.world
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#14 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter. Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big...

Your tip is also known as The Queen’s Duck.

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jj4211 lemmy.world jj4211@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-16
#15 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter. Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big...

Been in contexts to give feedback and people pressure me when I say things like "I'm not a stakeholder, so no standing to give feedback" or "Ok, seems fine". It's evidently not "leadership" if I'm actually content with something or content to leave something alone I have no right to meddle with.

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mrgoosmoos lemmy.ca mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-24
#16 · Quote Reply

This is valuable advice I wish I had known decades ago. You can't always avoid shit managers.

or customers.

it works everywhere, even on me

I use it with customers, to hide something I haven't quite figured out yet or know will result in a lengthy conversation that's been had a dozen times before with no change in outcome

my team knows that there's only so much time for review, so if they put dumb things to catch in reviews of their work, they can slip larger things by the quality review process. they also understand that that's on them — if there's so much wrong with something that it would simply take too long to point it all out, the problem is with their work, not with the reviewer.

only somewhat related, but shout out to the guy who would repeatedly make the same mistakes on drawings over and over again. he would put up a review package of 100 drawings, the common mistake would be noted explicitly on the first couple, and then on the 3rd the note would read "applies to all subsequent drawings". that guy would then only fix the ones that were explicitly called out. either a complete dumbass or lack of giving a shit, I don't know which. I've probably worked with both.

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not_woody_shaw lemmy.world not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#17 · Quote Reply

Heard a similar story from bassist Chuck Rainey about being asked by a producer before session not to play slap during a certain section of a song. Same guy kept saying "something is missing but I don't know what" and kept making them retake. Then the one time Chuck decided to slap again, the guy said "yes that's exactly what I'm looking for"

Peg - Steely Dan, I think that was.

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jaybone lemmy.zip jaybone@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-02-08
#18 · Quote Reply

That's why you always hide a duck in it

Hide-a-Duck sounds like a lawn ornament you put your spare key in.

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jaybone lemmy.zip jaybone@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-02-08
#19 · Quote Reply

producers and engineers do this to musicians too, pretending to turn up the monitor mix on the console while looking at the artist until they signal "ok"

Well they should at least turn up their monitor if they ask lol geez.

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eestileib sh.itjust.works eestileib@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-01
#20 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter. Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big...

When I was a software pm I loved being able to tell someone "you nailed it that's awesome can't wait to show this to [person relevant to their review packet]!"

That's the value that the engineers wanted me to add.

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Z745812939054 lemmy.zip Z745812939054@lemmy.zip
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#21 · (edited) Quote Reply

Well they should at least turn up their monitor if they ask lol geez.

monitors are for the artist only, and if they're too loud, they start messing up the mix coming through the mains--after a lot of time spent by the sound guys ringing out the monitors, pre-sound check, depending on the acoustics of the room. a lot of artists don't know and don't care how any of this works-- they want what they want and don't care what "problems" they're causing for everyone else.

hence the pretend turning up the monitors

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AllNewTypeFace leminal.space AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
Joined: 2023-08-20
#22 · Quote Reply

Your tip is also known as The Queen’s Duck.

Illustrators know this as the “hairy arm”: adding an undesirable minor detail to give the art director something with whose removal they can put their stamp on the project, without wrecking the rest of it or making too much work for the artist.

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kionay lemmy.world kionay@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#23 · Quote Reply

I once worked at a place that had a piece of equipment that still had one of the old analog drives and a few operators would complain and complain until they found an electrician to adjust it and then it would run like crap until we hooked up a scope to it to fix it. So I told one of the senor electricians to mount a potentiometer to the panel and run the wires to ground and just tell everyone ...

I understood some of those words

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Akasazh lemmy.world Akasazh@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-24
#24 · Quote Reply

producers and engineers do this to musicians too, pretending to turn up the monitor mix on the console while looking at the artist until they signal "ok"

The 'DFA slider' (does fuck all), just move it and ask if it sounds better.

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towerful programming.dev towerful@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-30
#25 · Quote Reply

Yeh, this is common.
I've heard of PPI (Producer Pleaser Indicator) which is a mixing desk channel not routed anywhere but can be fiddled with to meet client demands.
And there is the DFA (Does Fuck All). Similar concept

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sculptor0725 sh.itjust.works sculptor0725@sh.itjust.works
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#26 · Quote Reply

I understood some of those words

They gave it a knob that don't do nothin

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NaibofTabr infosec.pub NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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#27 · (edited) Quote Reply

Been in contexts to give feedback and people pressure me when I say things like "I'm not a stakeholder, so no standing to give feedback" or "Ok, seems fine". It's evidently not "leadership" if I'm actually content with something or content to leave something alone I have no right to meddle with.

Actual leadership is, "This work looks good, let's not waste any more time talking about it."

Don't be noncommittal, instead approve the work and push for moving forward. When someone suggests that more criticism is needed, indicate that they're the one holding up progress.

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liking625 lemmy.world liking625@lemmy.world
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#28 · (edited) Quote Reply

Lots of audiophiles buy lots of gadgets which do this same thing or make the sound worse, but they love it.

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SCmSTR lemmy.blahaj.zone SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#29 · (edited) Quote Reply

I have a friend that is a producer. They've had people try stuff like this before.

They just assume the artist/client is... Uh...Eccentric, and politely move on, making a note of it for later.

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laranis lemmy.zip laranis@lemmy.zip
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#30 · Quote Reply

Similar story, not mine: TV repairmen back in the day would have frequent in-home callbacks, with the TV owner stating the TV picture wasn't as good as before the repair.

So, after a repair the repairman would adjust the v-hold so the image would slowly rotate. "Tell me if the picture is getting better or worse." If it was getting worse, they'd flip it back the other way until the customer was satisfied they were seeing the best picture.

Apparently cut callbacks to near zero.

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GelatinGeorge lemmy.world GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world
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#31 · Quote Reply

I have a friend that is a producer. They've had people try stuff like this before. They just assume the artist/client is... Uh...Eccentric, and politely move on, making a note of it for later.

The resignation in this comment is palpable and I laughed a lot. Thank you.

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lad programming.dev sukhmel@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-07-03
#32 · Quote Reply

I have a friend that is a producer. They've had people try stuff like this before. They just assume the artist/client is... Uh...Eccentric, and politely move on, making a note of it for later.

I like how the comment ✨ evolved ✨

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helvetpuli sopuli.xyz helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz
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#33 · Quote Reply

The origin of the DFA control.

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MeatPilot sh.itjust.works MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works
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#34 · Quote Reply

Your tip is also known as The Queen’s Duck.

When designing, I try to provide options and typically one is a "throw away" simple option that took no effort. Like I change a color or a minor element. Just to provide the illusion of choice.

If I don't provide multiple options on the initial drafts people lose their damn minds. They try to redesign something that shouldn't have their input. This let's them talk about which one they like better and not fixate on one design and tear into it.

Also I get the low effort feedback. Everyone has some opinion on visuals, because it's easy to say "what if...". Big part of the job is coming prepared knowing what people will start picking at with answers ready to why you did what you did. Or just bullshitting on the spot.

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Buddahriffic lemmy.world Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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#35 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter. Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big...

Though you do run the risk that they love something you intended to be annoying. "The dart board value selector widget will make our product fun and exciting for gen Zs, I must report this to the board immediately so we can invest in converting all of our widgets to darts-based!"

Or make it too annoying and they might question your competence. "Yeah, he did quickly change the button that counted how many times you pressed it to a text box where you can enter a value but why would he have thought we'd have wanted that button in the first place!?"

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SCmSTR lemmy.blahaj.zone SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#36 · Quote Reply

The resignation in this comment is palpable and I laughed a lot. Thank you.

:(

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SCmSTR lemmy.blahaj.zone SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#37 · (edited) Quote Reply

I like how the comment ✨ evolved ✨

It's important not to be rude

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AtomicHotSauce piefed.social AtomicHotSauce@piefed.social
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#38 · Quote Reply

Leland is a freaking legend...this just elevates that status more.

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Random Dent lemmy.ml CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml
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#39 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yeh, this is common. I've heard of PPI (Producer Pleaser Indicator) which is a mixing desk channel not routed anywhere but can be fiddled with to meet client demands. And there is the DFA (Does Fuck All). Similar concept

Yeah we had a DFA slider on our board! Good for placating meddlers, but also excellent for pranking new people. "If it starts to sound too tinny, lower the DFA very gradually till it sounds right" and then watch them very seriously fiddle with it for ages or until someone laughs lol.

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chaogomu lemmy.world chaogomu@lemmy.world
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#40 · Quote Reply

I have a friend that is a producer. They've had people try stuff like this before. They just assume the artist/client is... Uh...Eccentric, and politely move on, making a note of it for later.

I use to run sound mixers for events and local bands, and had a dummy slider that I'd move when a family member wanted to hear their special boy or whatnot. Everyone in the industry knows this trick. Almost everyone plays along.

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
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#41 · Quote Reply

Hide-a-Duck sounds like a lawn ornament you put your spare key in.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/new-programming-jargon/#5-a-duck

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PumpkinSkink lemmy.world PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world
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#42 · Quote Reply

This leaves out the tidbit that Leeland says he flips the switch and plucks the strings from a different position, which does significantly change the tone. He just doesn't want to turn the knobs, which he might reasonably be reluctant to do for any number of reasons. It's not "I'm just gonna do what I want. Fuck the recording engineer" its "Ok. You want a different sound, but I know the better way to change it, so here, I'm gonna flip a nothing switch so we don't have to argue about it".

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gh0stb4tz lemmy.world gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world
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#43 · Quote Reply

Hide-a-Duck sounds like a lawn ornament you put your spare key in.

Or a sexy-time game.

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bluesheep sh.itjust.works bluesheep@sh.itjust.works
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#44 · Quote Reply

I've had it the other way around, not even on purpose. As the designated nooby sound engineer for the evening I had to mix the bands monitoring as well as the live mix for the audience. During the sound check one of the band members wanted their vocals to have a bit more "pop" in the mix, and not knowing what that exactly meant I asked them what they wanted. I don't really remember what it was they said, but it was something about boosting certain frequencies. Now, I have never had to do this before, and while I in principle knew how to do it the request kind of took me out of the flow so in the moment I completely forgot. So while this musician was looping his vocals so I could make the change, I was just selecting random menus on the console hoping I would end up at the right one. And, at some point, the guy was like, "oh yeah that's perfect!"

I had not changed any EQ at all. I wasn't even close to the right buttons, so to speak. But he still liked it, so I shut up and let them do their thing. Honestly I think it might've been his on inflection into the mic that made him change his mind, not the actual EQ, but whatever, he was happy with the mix and I was happy that I did not look like a total noob (even tho I was)

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brian programming.dev brian@programming.dev
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#45 · Quote Reply

Bikeshedding - where people feel the need to give feedback even when none is needed, resulting in inane comments about things that don't matter. Pro tip, if you're a software engineer, especially working on UIs - leave something annoying on your UI in the demo. Something small enough to not be a huge deal but big enough so that an exec or director would notice it. Make a button slightly too big...

I think bikeshedding is more commonly that people will argue about the materials of the bike shed over more important points of discussion. ex a bad thing because it detracts from more important decisions, not because it requires unnecessary change

queens duck as mentioned below better fits the tip (which is valid)

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perishthethought piefed.social perishthethought@piefed.social
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#46 · Quote Reply

He's played with everyone. Just take a look at his Wikipedia page. He knows how to handle producers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Sklar

Ahem.

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HereIAm lemmy.world HereIAm@lemmy.world
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#47 · Quote Reply

I've had it the other way around, not even on purpose. As the designated nooby sound engineer for the evening I had to mix the bands monitoring as well as the live mix for the audience. During the sound check one of the band members wanted their vocals to have a bit more "pop" in the mix, and not knowing what that exactly meant I asked them what they wanted. I don't really remember what it was ...

Ah, sounds like you accidentally found the DFA slider!

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Tja programming.dev Tja@programming.dev
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#48 · Quote Reply

Your tip is also known as The Queen’s Duck.

I use this a lot in presentations, and have taught this to colleagues I have mentored.

However I kind of understand the urge, when I'm on the other side and have to give feedback, saying "everything looks great" seems kind of lazy, or a cop-out. I have to fight the need to find something to nit-pick.

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Captain Aggravated sh.itjust.works captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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#49 · Quote Reply

My father would tell a story about an IBM tech from back in the pre-PC days. She had one of those Dick Trickle kind of names, where the name parses as a phrase? To not outright dox her I'll call her Robin Banks.

Robin would be at a customer's site working on an IBM minicomputer or unit record equipment, when a secretary would flag her down and ask her to adjust the "tension" or "weight" or something on a Selectric typewriter. IBM Selectric typewriters don't have any kind of adjustment on the key travel or typing feel. What she would do is walk up to it, type a little, agree that it felt off, take a small flathead screwdriver, stick it through an opening in the side or back of the case, pretend to adjust something, she'd take a cloth, damp it with some of the light oil they used on all the intricate little mechanisms in old computer hardware, wipe the key caps with it. Then say "Okay, try that" and inevitably they were happy with it.

Another story from Robin, in an office with a good size secretary pool, one of the secretaries kept bitching about her typewriter. It doesn't type right, it doesn't work right. Robin noticed that this particular secretary had been issued a blue Selectric, all the other secretaries had red ones. She swapped out the case with one of the other typewriters, just the shell, same machine, and wouldn't you know it typed much better!

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Pratai piefed.ca Pratai@piefed.ca
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#50 · Quote Reply

Such a bassist move.

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LemmyFeed lemmy.dbzer0.com LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-02-01
#51 · Quote Reply

When designing, I try to provide options and typically one is a "throw away" simple option that took no effort. Like I change a color or a minor element. Just to provide the illusion of choice. If I don't provide multiple options on the initial drafts people lose their damn minds. They try to redesign something that shouldn't have their input. This let's them talk about which one they like bett...

Or just bullshitting on the spot.

ah, so like pretty much every job ever. got it.

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