That happens frequently in the USA.

The blood group is very important too, for medical issues, but I don't think it is common to make it a legal marker (such as on passport).

Also, some people are born not matching exactly the classical genders, and labeling them legaly male or female can be misleading for medical things...

Lol imagine going to a doctor and they can't figure out your gender if it's not on you legal documents.

Get another Dr. I think this one got his license from Trump university

Male hearts are larger and have different proportions than female hearts, and the camber proportions also differ. There are also differences in the muscle texture itself. I know a LOT can change during transition, but I didn't think your heart would get restructured due to current gender reaffirming care.

All of this may be true and still does not mean that HRT doesn't affect heart attack symptoms. For most things with average differences based on sex, we simply don't know when, how and how much gender-affirming hormone therapy changes things, because it hasn't been sufficiently studied. That's all I'm saying.

We don't.

The US does that on purpose. Read up on a barbaric practice called v-coding

My apologies, I didn't know you were such a slow reader.

"Biological sex" says jack shit about a trans person's biological characteristics, especially deep into transition. It's more often than not a dogwhistle that transphobes use to imply that trans women have the same violent sexual tendencies as many cis men, and to imply that those characteristics are somehow immutable.

The state does not need to get involved in a medical discussion between a trans patient and their doctor.

Also, men aren’t screened for breast cancer and vice versa for prostate check-ups. I don’t think that’s done on a legal basis though, it’s just a healthcare service aimed at different demographics. Anyone can request a prostate check or mammography and get it if the doctor finds it necessary.

"Miss, I can confirm you still do NOT have a prostate. Please, stop coming here. This is very inappropriate"

What's happening in the US is not the removal of DEI laws and programs. Well, that, too. But it's the explicit removal of people that were covered by these program, regardless of skills.

And, it only highlights why the legal gender distinction is a problem. If there were no state-level "what gender are you" line attached to people, you could not mandate the removal of women, legally or not.

Facts, all these things are as clear as mud. At the end of the day, everybody is a walking sack of chemical reactions and things boil down to ur chemistry more than anything. Every single one is different!

And by "let" you mean sanction and even encourage.

I know it's just a typo/autocorrect, but I seriously chuckled at "tax invectives."

I can’t think of a single quantifiable reason someone’s gender identity should be on a government ID. But biological sex is important to have for things like organ donation.

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This is part of my problem with bigger transitioning than I've already done. I've reached about the point where I'd have to get my DL sex changed to not run into various problems and I'm already super uncomfortable with how much the government knows about my genitals. None of that ever should have been the government's business to begin with.

Those are good points. Genders and gendered colors always were inconvenient to me. I hate how women's gym shoes are always shitty colors and I have to worry about people offended because of traditional gender roles. It's annoying af.

Pink is not considered feminine in many countries. Also, marriage is not Christian. Hindus, muslims, Buddhists, pagans, and all kind of folks get married and have before Christians existed. It's not one man and one woman. Massai warriors and Mormons have lots of wives.

You've discovered the transphobic argument.

If they no longer represent sex then census and demographic information is the only reason I can think of. Those are important things to track for a society trying to organize itself and plan for the future.

• you're trans
• you're involved in an accident
• you're unconscious
• EMTs administer medication at levels that a woman can handle depending on body fat composition and hormonal fluctuations
• being a genetic male, you die because you lack the increased body fats and estrogen that was assumed in dosage

I get your point, but it's important to have your gender somewhere on a trustworthy source that everybody has.

Thanks for the catch. I didn't have my glasses so the blur of text looked like the right blur.

Like it or not that women will guaranteed face harsh realities.

Iraq.

A line of "Iraqi military" taking turns at a boy. Nothing you can do about it.

It's extremely apt. I'm definitely going to remember it next tax season.

Not necessarily legal but tracking genders is extremely important for data analytics in almost every field. For example knowing certain diseases affects genders differently allows scientists to create better medicines or medicines that target different things. Like medicines that are specifically designed to be safe for pregnancy.

This sounds convincing, but then, is there actually any medication an EMT would administer based on sex? I honestly dont know.

Maybe we should all have blood types written down somewhere, because that surely is the same situation right? (I mean, we should all know it, I don't)

Emergency medication isn't dosed by gender, it's dosed by weight. It really would only matter with certain drugs in pregnancy.

It is helpful to know the original gender for some things because certain illnesses present differently in men V women and not all of that changes post transition so if you are treating a man it would be helpful to know that he was born a woman so you don't brush off certain symptoms as minor if in fact in a women they would be very alarming. For example, men having heart attacks are more likely to present with the classic chest pain radiating to their arm. Women can have chest pain, but often present as sudden onset of nausea and vomiting with no pain. That's a rare presentation of a heart attack in a man, so a man complaining of severe nausea is more likely to be thought of as GI in nature, but if you know he's trans then alarm bells start screaming that this might be cardiac and you need to do an EKG now.

But in an unconscious trauma patient, it doesn't really matter. If a trans man still has a uterus then that's an additional organ to be damaged that might not be expected, but that's not something that's going to be caught in the ambulance either way because we don't have a CT scanner hanging out in the cabinets.

Yep

Yep

Meh people aren't really known to do the "right" thing if they would we wouldn't have had war in the first place. Also people might be fully supportive of a war but don't want to get their hands dirty themselves.

The natural conclusion would be that any country forcing its people to fight will probably have an advantage over any country that doesn't and if that country overtakes you you get conscripted anyway.

You would have to believe that people are willing to sacrifice to protect their communities but people aren't even willing to look at windmills to protect their communities from climate change.
Which does not mean they don't want to keep their community as it is, they might just be to afraid and/or selfish to join themselves.

If people were guided by some intristic "goodness" we wouldn't have such a shit society in the first place.

I'd be okay if my sex was scrubbed from my driver's license. Like, I doubt there will ever be a doppelganger with my name at my address with my birthday that is contrary in sex to myself, ever.

But sadly, when the cops receive a report, they'll ask "were they male or female," which they'll use to in their investigation.

Sure, you will not get it to zero though and there really is no reason to put people in more danger than necessary.

Finland goes gender-less quite successfully.

Procreation is a big part of human experience. So things kinda lead one from another.

While true, thos doesn't mean the state has to track the gender. It can be part of medical files.
The state also doesn't care about my blood type, which is also super important in some medical situations.

yes

No it doesn't.

What would you do if a convicted rapist said he identifies as a women now and wants to be sent to a female prison?

I would say that if people don't care about their country and don't want to fight for it it's OK for this country to lose a war.

Back when I lived in Poland, if it was invaded I would be the first one to flee the country. Let the people that want to live there die for it... Now that I live in Spain, if anyone tried to invade, I would definitely join the fight. Well, maybe not if they invaded Catalonia but once they reached Murcia I would be on the front lines.

i think segregation is bad and causes problems

Many users have mentioned medical reasons, but there are also a bunch of legal privileges that only one gender has. In my country,

• Some number of jobs (usually 33%) are reserved for women. Some states reserve a small number of jobs for transpeople / intersex / third gender people.
• Maternity leave > paternity leave
• Many government schemes are only for women.
• In a divorce, if the children do not have strong preferences for either parent, they are sent with the mother.
• At night, women cannot be kicked out of trains for travelling without tickets.
• Women can only be searched / arrested by policewomen.
• Religious accomodations, like Sikh men but not women having a right to carry knives in high-security areas.
• In Delhi and nearby areas, men are less likely to get sexually assualted.

Well and even in the West, pink and blue didn't used to be gendered like they are. 100+ years ago yellow was boys, light blue for girls. So the gendering isn't even static, it's as fluid as gender itself.

Hey, a constant point John Hodgeman makes on his judgement podcast is that long term cohabitation without the tax breaks is foolish. There no reason to give the state more money just to stick it to convention.

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That's not how that works

As someone who's been transitioning for 12+ years, I guarantee my body fat and hormones are literally nowhere near "genetic male". Medically confirmed in fact, repeatedly. You're making big assumptions about trans bodies that aren't necessarily true.

I'd love to see what emergency meds you're talking about that are more dependent on body fat composition rather than something like BMI, allergies, medical conditions, or age. But even then- soft tissues are the most affected by medical transition and are more closely aligned to their cis targets. That's kinda the whole point. Not to mention the medical expertise behind whoever is administering said drugs.

Edit: oh you're from lemmy.ml, that explains a lot

Maybe not in US but it does work like that in some countries. But I'm just curious. What would you do in a situation like that?

Weird as fuck how heavily this gets downvoted.

Yes, it does matter in a medical context. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fucking ridiculous and not understanding the nature of reality.

I agree that it doesn't matter in too many other places. But pretending it doesn't matter in a medical context is quite frankly ridiculous.

It's important for people with breast tissue to get screened for breast cancer.

It's important for people with prostates to get screened for prostate cancer.

People who bleed each month often have lower hemoglobin levels that are not as immediately alarming as in people who don't bleed every month.

It's not rocket science. Enjoy not being treated for potentially deadly issues because you think biological sex is irrelevant to medical issues.

Look...express yourself however best suits you. I absolutely advocate people expressing themselves in whatever manner of gender that is truly them. But biology is incredibly important in a medical context.

The important thing is not the legal genders, but that we can hate somebody we don't know for something they haven't done.

When it comes to the "state" tracking sex demographics it can be very important when it comes to future planning for citizens. It can matter if you want to transition for example. The state can make long term plans based on that data to encourage an increase in facilities that can offer more support and services to those areas than need trans people.

Just tucking that information away in a medical file that only you and a doctor or two will see does nothing to make society better for trans people as a whole.

Some amount of gendered colors is a useful social shortcut. When our children were babies, we painted the nursery green because that’s my favorite color, and otherwise didn’t bother much with color. However when we went out we tended to have some obvious blue to make it simpler to talk about our baby. It’s easier for someone to say “he’s cute” because he has a blue blanket, than to have the “boy or girl?” Discussion.

Similarly our dog has a pink collar because it’s easier for someone to say “she’s cute” rather than “boy or girl?” And have some random person checking her genitals. It’s only here on Lemmy where people get pornographic about mention of a dog where they don’t know the gender

It’s just a problem when it’s forced, or excessive, or becomes someone's identity