As a transgender performer myself who constantly has to deal with people thinking I'm a drag performer because I'm trans, please don't conflate the two. Drag is a costume. Trans is not. It is possible to be trans and do drag, but it's not even the default tbh. It's mostly gay cis men in my experience.

Also, there's nothing inherently sexual about a corset otherwise you wouldn't see them all over renfaires and comic conventions. Same with bras, half the population wears them on a daily basis

Maybe. Im betting not if you are talking per child hour of prescence. I mean if one thing happens to a kid at a drag show its going to blow the percentage off the roof.

Well thank god the world is not limited to the two or three things you have experienced in your life.

AKA other people exist! And their lives aren't always the exact same as yours! Fucking hell.

No, you didn't get it right. You did manage to out yourself as a bigoted imbecile though, so grats on that.

Go back to Fox News and jerk off there instead. kthxbai

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about and trying to pick fights instead of learning.

What the fuck does Hamas have to do with anything in this thread?

Grow up or fuck off to the kid's table with Zuckerberg and Musk.

Oops. Massive typo. Lol. Hamas should have been trans. Wtf

And I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm trying to understand and be educated.

Victim blaming is some fucking shit.

My partner's ex abused his little sister for years when they were young (when my partner found out she divorced him). His family ostracized her for making the family look bad.

I'm so glad that you're finally able to start healing, comrade.

Interesting. I get drag performers and have been to a few shows back in the day. I understand trans and trans kids. I don't understand the connection between drag and kids though.

To me it would make much more sense to have regular trans people teach the kids about the issues facing them.

Help me out here

Were you describing what happens at church?

Wait, your church has drugs (sometimes)?

What do you all think happens at Catholic mass these days? It's been about 10 years since I've gone myself, but when I was a kid I just sat next to my parents for an hour, went through the service, and left after.

Always has.

Can someone be anything, let alone a someone, if they don't exist in the first place?

Genuinely one of the kindest gentlest most wholesome environments I've been in.

Not that my experience is super broad or representative, but, maybe because there's so much misunderstanding, they're particularly patient and warm.

Would definitely bring my kid to a drag show before leaving him alone with a priest.

They're not in much danger during a church service, but they're in danger when left alone with a preist

Yes but statistics indicate priests are not more likely to be pedophiles than any other profession that works regularly with children.

Same with teachers and other child oriented careers. They all attract pedos at more or less the same rates but churches are generally better about covering it up than schools.

Words of wisdom, Lloyd. Words of wisdom.

No I feel like a regular person.

Exactly.

There isn't one. Trans and drag are entirely separate things. We may cross paths often as allies but it's not inherent.

As trans people, we may advocate for better care for trans children (typically in the form of social support and at most informed access to puberty delayers) but that has nothing to do with drag shows. We just exist, much like anyone else, living 24/7 as our preferred gender. You wouldn't notice if you passed us on the street:

Drag performers on the other hand are just that, performers. They entertain audiences much like a juggler or a magician might. Sometimes that's performing in adult-only shows (typically in bars), other times it's reading to children or lip syncing Lady Gaga. They wear over the top costumes and act dramatically but at the end of the day it's just a costume. You'd know if you passed a drag performer on the street:

I don't blame you for any confusion since conservatives have been trying to muddle the waters ever since they learned the word drag, in part as a scare tactic to demonize trans people and make us scarier than we are. But there's no reason to fear either.

Most priest's are required by law in Australia to be cleared by police and any church workers or volunteers are required by law to report anything suspicious. Training in identification of bad behaviours is also required

Well if dragshows were populated by powerful people getting heaps of tax free dollars and an opaque system that hides any accountability then kids would no longer be safe there.

They do now, nice, good on ya's. After 12 moves perhaps they grew tired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ridsdale

apparently the church had a worldwide policy to move pedos from dioceses to dioceses hiding their crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parish_transfers_of_abusive_Catholic_priests

No I completely understand the difference and you make complete sense.

I'm asking why the children's drag shows at libraries? Wouldn't trans speakers make more sense? That's the part I don't get .

Btw not a conservative by any means. More of a free loving hippie type who thinks everybody should be loved and treated equally. This trans stuff is new even for us old lefties

There's an aggressive assumption. Geez

Why are you so angry Bill?

Statistics need someone to report them, and someone to record them.

If you haven't experienced it you don't know how tightly faith communities protect the people they worship.

I'm asking why the children's drag shows at libraries? Wouldn't trans speakers make more sense?

Why not both? One is entertainment, the other is education. Typically drag reading hours at libraries use entertainment to encourage children to read from an early age. In reality, the real reason you probably don't see more trans speakers is because our existence is seen as "woke"

Btw not a conservative by any means. More of a free loving hippie type who thinks everybody should be loved and treated equally. This trans stuff is new even for us old lefties

Wasn't accusing you of being one, they're just the ones responsible for the current culture war. We just want to live in peace.

I would however like to point out that we've been around for all of humanity. Maybe not in name but in experience. A big part of why there's been so little awareness of trans people is because the Nazis did such a thorough job of eliminating us and any research into us, but the Internet allowed us to find each other. A good starting point to learn more is the Looting of the Institute of Sexology.

The first sex reassignment surgery happened in 1906, before Hitler's rise to power. Going even further back, we're all over ancient mythology. Loki was famously a gender bender, Caenis was an invulnerable trans warrior in the Illiad, Iphis was transformed into a man by an Egyptian goddess. Really it's just the Abrahamic religions that like to exclude us.

Do you honestly expect anyone to take you seriously?

Yes I know that trans people have existed forever. Just look at the Royal courts back in the day. Lol.

Just my opinion but as an older guy and hearing complaining from other old people. They just don't understand why there are drag shows. I guess that's because drag shows for us were always sexual when we were growing up. It's always corsets and feathers and crazy makeup and giant hair etc. it was always an adult thing when I was younger. So seeing it for kids now is confusing, especially when it's under the guise of helping trans kids.

Just makes more sense to me to have everyday regular trans people doing this at the libraries instead. And it would remove some of the apprehension and fears from the older people who grew up with a different opinion of drag. That being it's for adults mostly

Lol that explains all the pedophiles

So seeing it for kids now is confusing, especially when it's under the guise of helping trans kids.

This is the part I'm confused about. Drag has never had anything to do with trans kids?

In fact, one of my frustrations is that during pride all the gigs go to drag queens and only a few go to trans performers (in particular trans PoC). One of the complaints I see most often too is that so much of the queer community is dominated by gay men, and in turn drag, that it leaves the rest of us feeling excluded.

Yeah like there are definitely some drag shows you shouldn't take your kids to but there's also movies and concerts you shouldn't take your kids to. There's even kids horror movies vs the obvious r rated adult stuff. If they're old enough to know boys and girls are different they're old enough to understand that sometimes people do other shit for fun the same as they're able to watch fucking Casper and experiment with the idea of death. It's just a fucking genre.

You're being an aggressive, Charlie-Kirk-style asshole and by innuendo, you're slandering transpeople.

Take your who-me-aww-shucks bigotry and FUCK RIGHT OFF.

Because you're being a bigoted cunt.

Oh. All you need is patience and a degree. No wonder why twisted people are able to exploit that system.

No problem with trans or drag shows

What is a trans show? I've never heard of such a thing.

maybe not a maga drag/ conservative dragqueen, these do exist.

i think evangelicals, and probably mormon churchs hides more pedophelia, SA.

better of with MS rachel.

plus they get access to children in other means, like boy scouts potentially, christian/summer camps, "charter schools"

husband family disowned her? or her own family. i think that family was complicit and knew about the abuse.

conservatives dont know that, they equate drag to being trans people.

im pretty sure drag was a thing long before rupual came onto the scene.

drag performers most certainly arnt trying to be strippers, you are confusing it porn/ stirpper or prostiuition. its only slightly different if you were dressing up as female/male in a show or movie.

Hardly

I'm assuming that you're the type of person nobody likes. So I'm aggressive and an asshole. Hrmmm okay. Seems like your projecting

Drag does shows at the libraries to tech trans kids. That's the part I'm confused about. Add for the rest of your comment. You guys should get along together again. 😉 Back in the day I used to bartend at the youth gay and lesbian association dances in town. Since then everything I splintered into a million different letters and everybody seems to be against each other which is confusing as well. Love everybody

Absolutely. But all that people like the sea lion in this thread know about is RuPaul because that's what the media publicizes.

Drag does shows at the libraries to tech trans kids. That's the part I'm confused about.

That sounds like it might be a local thing then, it's certainly not the norm. I'd be as confused as you are.

The letters never fragmented, other than a weird fringe group of conservative gays but no one likes them. In fact, intersectional queerness expands beyond gender and sexuality. In my city the queer community supports everything from immigrant and homeless rights to accessibility and bike lanes.