That's a misrepresentation.

Whether or not you want to hold the cop responsible is irrelevant.

"a cop blew off a students hand" is intentionally omitting critical information.

I don't think Americans can really throw any shade on anyone about how to protest.

Was the stun grenade required?

If it was not thrown, would it have been there for someone to pick up in an attempt to throw it and protect those around them?

They could...like...just pay teachers more. No stun grenades needed to be used on unarmed civilians.

None of that is relevant to the question of whether the statement "a cop blew off a students hand" accurately describes the event.

You're very obviously omitting key details with intent to mislead and it just undermines your position.

I'm literally adding details.

You're obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I'm saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.

What you're doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn't pull the trigger themselves.

Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could've been avoided.

So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.

So, kindly, stfu if you're blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you're defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.

They do! Often.

Before clicking on that link, guess how many people in the US are killed by police each year. Remember, this includes justified/self-defense kills, not just bad shootings. In a large country with an armed populous.

How does the actual number compare to your guess?

It doesn’t show correlation. They’re probably making a point about priorities, because it shows more people attend furry conventions over the course of a year than ICE protests.

It's not the demonstrators, it's the usual bunch of idiots that use that excuse to break stuff and pillage shops. It's become pretty much systematic.

Don’t worry, French cops did it at least one time during the high schoolers protests we had the last few days/weeks. We are witnessing a very violent response from the police here in France (nothing close to what ICE is doing in the USA…yet)

Police learning that they're outnumbered and can't dig it.

Love to see it!

Cops shouldn't have access to anything that could potentially blow off a person's hand, especially not a thing made to be used in public.

Oh please. I'm not defending anyone. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of your statement.

This kind of hyperbole might impress 16 year olds but in political discourse you just seem like an idiot.

Again, that's irrelevant.

I don't really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.

If you're trying to describe the event, "a cop blew off a students hand" is very obviously a misrepresentation.

You're welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn't have been there or shouldn't have been armed, but "a cop blew off a students hand" does not describe what happened.

Holy shit. I thought like 80 might be expected for a 350 million population

Absolutely correct. I made the graph out of a joke and did not expect the result. A lot of US people still believe that what they are doing is “heavily protesting the government”.

For those that don't click the above link, you gotta at least see this...

Yeah that's the cops' version. The students around said that they didn't pick it up.

Also, even if they did... Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?

What the fuck.

For real. Look at how fast they drive through that crowd, they could have killed people!

Riots aren't what drives people to the far-right. Macron doing heavy propaganda in favour of the far right for a decade, did.

I know which side you would have sided with, when the resistance was bombing buildings during WWII

I thought they kill more, but only because of your comment, without that reminder I probably would assumed less, about two–three times less than the page shows

I'm not sure they are saying it's fine otherwise. But that aside I wonder what would be an outcry if the grenade got back to the police and blown near some cop

LATAM excluded, probably because they only have estimates, we have lost the count

surely in minecraft

if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead

Without seeing the post they're referencing:

Someone probably said they let their cats outside tbh, and then someone chimed in with how they're "personally Holocausting every small bird and lizard within a 600mi radius and for this crime they should be thrown to a tiger and see how they like it."

Yes I was being a little hyperbolic for comedic effect but it's absolutely a thing in the cat comms around here, not sure I've seen death threats specifically about it but people hate outside cats (more to the point, their owners) on lemmy.

I threw a molotov at you, and you didn't get out of the way correctly. You being on fire is your fault.

Get fucked.

I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”

There are entire communities, districts, and sometimes towns, where police on average poses bigger threat than any criminal ever would. Home invasion scenarios almost never happen, and on a rare occasion they do you can at least fight back. Meanwhile, police routinely enters homes, shoots nondiscriminatory, they destroy people's lives for nothing, and you can't even do shit about it.
And that's before we talk about when police actually tries to do their job, the fuck they gonna do with your twenty scallywags entering your abode, outline your dead body?

God I hate how much news is just not shown here in the U.S.. This and the recent No King protests are really only found in alternative places. I keep trying to explaining that marching isn't enough, that it doesn't generate enough fear/anxiety to make them want to change.

That previous "peaceful" protests like MLK's had targeted strategies that disrupted life on purpose. And still had Malcolm X and the Black Panthers as the muscle of the movement.

We're just not doing enough, and allies that are willing are just too far apart distance wise to properly coordinate without getting caught. And random acts of violence can be useful, but only if they are actually shocking enough and have follow up. Luigi enacted a small amount of change for a short amount of time. Companies were denying less for a solid year afterwards. The problem is that there wasn't enough follow up. The violence wasn't coordinated enough, or organized with a wider group so they could continue to lay on the fear.

We're just too passive, too domesticated, and lack the will to properly organize. The only good news is Trump is making these points more salient as time goes on. Especially with his talk of interference, and using the national guard for voter intimidation. I believe the mid terms will be a breakpoint for many depending on how they go. Or I hope it will anyway, as nothing else has been enough so far.

It's a kid. Do you really expect a kid to know what to do when having grenades thrown at them?

They are already fucking smarter than most of the population that just sits on their assss waiting for the world to collapse, but on top of that you expect them to have a proper rational immediate reaction when faced with military equipment?

Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops' version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie (we're talking about french cops, who rape a guy that they arrested in their car with their baton, enough to cause internal damage, and their version is that he fell on it. And yes, nothing happened to the cops), so it's extremely moronic to even debate about the rightfulness of grabbing a grenade in this situation, since it just plays in the narrative of the fascists that try to shut down the protests by all means.

The same police already sued the government a few days ago, accusing it of endangering them by giving them confusing orders against the terrifying hordes of evil, violent, uncontrollable kids.

So yeah, if a cop got injured like that they would already be taking out the tanks in the street at this point.

And then they get shocked when things get more violent, yet they're the ones setting the tone.

This is kind of a dumb statement. The French also protested and destroyed a bunch of shit when the government raised the retirement age.

Guess what happened?

If you guessed the government raised the retirement age you would be right. So what does rioting and destroying a bunch of shit accomplish in France. If you answered nothing much you would be correct.

"And that, kids, is how I voted the far right fascists into power at the next election."

It's a beautiful, heartwarming tale.

In the US they would open fire and kill hundreds of protestors.

In their case it could just as easily be organized crime.

It is better when they are concerned about beating the shit out of you. They are not soft when people is soft.

Bad ass I must give them my technology of revolutionaries and show them the marketplace of disruption

We all know American cops are fucking pigs and may kill you just because, we've seen the videos. We also saw footage of one guy taking care of the CEO of not a minor healthcare insurance company, with a printed gun, iirc. Shit is crazy, and that's precisely why people must do something else than well-behaved protests. Nonviolent protests can be way more effective if planned correctly. Think about the Hormuz blockade, it's not a bloodbath there, but it is hell for the USA allies. Cops aren't the problem, you do not need to literally fight them to change shit.

The pretty thing of this video is that people is sending a clear message to the State, and probably, the government of France will change its stances.

Yeah cops are literally the problem. Their "job" is to protect the system and the status quo and the interests of the rich and powerful

Its not correlation, it's causation.

my gut says people are avoiding giving trump the excuse of shutting down elections before midterms

after midterms my theory is things are gunna get ugly and all the people who want a show are gunna get one

furries are the opiates of the masses

I have to agree. The people I've organized with are also waiting to see how mid terms shake out.

Well, my being on fire would certainly be my fault if I had tried to pick up the fire.

Yeah I'm sure the cop thought "I wouldn't have to do this shit if they payed teachers more" right before he threw the grenade.

1 - the French protests will not end well.
2 - US protests would end even worse
3 - no kings is mostly old boomers reliving their youth. The majority of you get people there are dragged by their parents or grandparents. It is also a very small percentage of people who support no kings
4 - I do have to congratulate the No Kings people, there aren't currently any in the US. So good job.

If a guy sets a building on fire, and a fireman goes inside to save someone but then dies in the flames, you couldn't say that the first guy burned a fireman alive.

That's not what I'm saying. The cop didn't give a shit. He was just taking orders.

"They" are the people in power.

Hyperbole? It's our lived reality. Policy choices literally kill us, my friends and family are struggling to put food on the table after working hard their entire lives. What kind of elitist "political discourse" bs is this? You have no response, you can't refute it, and instead try to insultand call it absurd. I'd say the rise of the far right is absurd. It doesn't mean it's not happening all around the world currently.

I'm wasting my time. Someone so propagandized will continue to ignore the harm in front of them and dismiss the actions taken by those fighting for others and lift up those fighting for the state.