I....honestly am not sure if this is an onion. :'(

No silly, it's an online post

for magas, the healthcare isn't the bad part, it's the "everyone" that makes them furious

Bad if you hate certain people.

It’s the old “why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare???”.

They’re too dumb to realize everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.

Threatening people with good times

I hate uncertain people

everyone else helps pay for their healthcare.

Everyone else minus a select few parasites who instead make their healthcare vastly more expensive to balance it out – the American way. 🇵🇷🦅⛪🗽🔫🎆

Conservatives: well we already believe a story written by men thousands of years ago, we aren’t about to stop now lol

They’ve never heard of communicable diseases either.

It’s the Southern Strategy, but without Nixon’s charm or Reagan’s intelligence.

Only if you're a racist prick, which Trump voters are

Exactly

Their evil is showing

I have a friend whom I have this argument with frequently, not about health care specifically but other socialized benefits (e.g. SNAP). He's even a leftist, but still thinks he shouldn't have to pay for people who "take advantage of the system" (e.g. spend their SNAP benefits on things he doesn't believe should qualify, or receive SNAP benefits while spending their 'real' money on things he considers non-essential).

The fact that there are corporations getting orders of magnitude more in handouts, or that we're spending an unreal amount of money on the military, or that there's unfathomable amounts of corruption in the government, and that those benefits are in actuality a tiny fraction of what his taxes go to, makes no difference. He doesn't want people at the bottom to get an ounce more than he believes they strictly need or deserve, and I cannot for the life of me understand that line of thought.

When you say "leftist" I assume you mean liberal Democrat.

You’re already paying for everyone else’s healthcare. Medicare for all would just make it cheaper and simpler.

What do you think happens when somebody walks into a hospital with no insurance? Do they just turn them away? No. Who do you think pays for that? You do. It’s paid for in the markup of your hospital bill.

"Why should I pay for someone else's healthcare?"

Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.

This can’t possibly be a real quote.

can you imagine trans people getting healthcare? atrocious. and the poor? how will their billionaire daddies feel special if everyone gets the same healthcare

there's usually a 'process' and qualifications to get the bill covered by whatever 'community care' program the facility has.

they will absolutely produce an invoice and expect payment or 'arrangements' upon discharge (which could include application for community care benefit).

they will also absolutely send that billing to a collections agency as well. one of the hospitals near me sends a lot of their uninsured or underinsured billing that would never qualify for assistance to collections without making more than a token effort to get paid first.. my boss even had a message on their home voice mail waiting for her when she got home from having an outpatient procedure done.

They're a cabal of paedophiles and C grade extras from "central casting" whose only agenda is to destroy America (and democracy in general) for their Russian kontrollers who script these events for the media

Well, you know what they say about assumptions. Of course, when I see a post from .ml, I assume the poster is a tankie, so I guess we're both guilty.

this is a real thing he said, but it was in 2024

Ah, I've engaged a person without an original thought. My mistake.

Coming from the guy who looks like he desperately needs it despite having access to the best doctors in the world.

...and he still has the gall to shit on them at his rallies.

Like bro, if it wasn't for those specific doctors and the "do no harm" clause, YOU. WOULD. BE. DEAD!

Because one day, someone will pay your healthcare you absolutely rotten piece of shit.

Like their children that for some reason won't visit or call during the holidays.

You should warn people that you're posting a Twitter link before someone accidentally clicks on it. Not every Lemmy instance/app offers link previews.

Have you ever met a republican before? Like others pointed out, GOP voters absolutely hate when someone besides them benefits from something, even if it means they get to benefit as well. They are the most selfish voters in existence.

It's a dogwhistle! If you don't hear it, congrats on not being racist

so every time he says he doesn’t want to pay for people taking advantage of the system, ask if he means the wealthy people denying healthcare to people so they can afford more yachts, their 8th mansion, their 30th sport car, their second helicopter. Because he’s overpaying for his private healthcare so they can take advantage of him.

Meanwhile, everyone is required to have car insurance. Priorities.

It’s shocking more people aren’t furious at having healthcare tied to a job. It’s a shackle. Coersion. A keep this particular job, or else.

Even if it works out cheaper, they believe certain people don't deserve healthcare, or anything in their eyes.

Why? 😰

Uh...

..."I'm AOC and I approve this message"?

"I'd rather 99 people get support they might not need if it means one person gets the support they definitely need."

I've used that reasonably successfully.

Let's maybe save the purity tests for when we're not staring down the barrel of a fascist coup already in progress, eh?

Sometimes, thought doesn't have to be original. Sometimes, when something rings true, many people have the same thought, and can talk about it and agree with people who share the same thought and that isn't an issue.

A while back, I was listening to a podcast that apparently had a fairly sizable conservative Christian audience, because there were a good number of ads for Christian "Health Care Sharing Ministries," into which subscribers pay a voluntary "share," and from which they draw when they need it.

I don't remember the specific language the ad used, but I do remember it saying something that sounded almost dangerously close to "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need." I started laughing at that one.

I sometimes wonder if my MAGA Dad has had a change of heart.
He used to be against universal healthcare because he "doesn't want to pay for some homeless addicts healthcare".

But now he's been laid off and 6 months unemployed as a tech worker. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate it being pointed out that he's living the stereotype he stigmatized for so many years. Or how slippery the slope is to homelessness.

I'm not certain

Back to an article quote from his first term 'hes not hurting the right people'. Lol like they're people to Trump as a narcissist. They can be votes they can be subjects but never a person, unless you give him tons of cash to use, and ton meaning for him as a billionaire, made off of the US coffers and influence. Not that the influence has as much pull anymore due to him squeezing it with his tiny hands.

I don't hear it as the first thing when someone says something about healthcare for all (which anyway is pretty much a thing in my country already), but I'm jaded enough to understand what he really means by now.

The Democrats are just as fascist:

1. Biden/Harris had the entire Epstein file suite and did absolutely nothing with it
2. Obama/Biden built the policy power to do the mass deportations and city-deployments of ICE that Trump is now using
3. Biden knew this and changed literally nothing about it when he was president
4. Obama/Biden deported more people than Trump has
5. Obama/Biden appointed Tom Homan as deportation czar - same guy Trump appointed in both terms
6. Biden/Harris deported/repatriated over 4M in only 4 years
7. Biden/Harris participated in the Israeli-led genocide of Gaza
8. Obama refused to provide arms to Ukraine. Trump was the first president ever to approve arms transfers to Ukraine.
9. Obama/Biden + HRClinton continued the Bush2 strategic plan for destroying 7 countries by completely destroying Libya, laughing at the public torture and execution of a 70-year-old man sodomized with a blade by people the HRC State Dept coordinated
10. 800k people, on average, have died every year for the last 50 years due to US sanctions, and both parties are totally OK with it.

We could keep going, back to Clinton and the Biden-authored Crime Bill, back to every war and military action, to the School of the Americas and the training of death squads and terrorists. We can go through and show how these programs were continuous across party switches in every part of the government. We can show how every mass movement of people for self-liberation and self-governance was met with mass murder at the hands of the USA regardless of which party was in charge. We can show how the USA was the model used for EuroFascism and how the USA absorbed and protected the failed EuroFascists and then spread them around the world for decades with their protection, bi-partisanly.

The USA is the global reservoir of fascism, which, of course it is, because the USA is the torchbearer, inheritor, executor, and protector of EuroImperialism, which is what EuroFascism fundamentally is.

If only...

Zero sum game thinking.

"If other people are getting health care then there won't be any left for me!"

That's why people hear that and agree / are afraid

I don't think it's that. Or at least not always that. I've met plenty of boomers that think they worked hard and earned their healthcare and it's unfair that others would get it for "free". They're so brainwashed into tying healthcare to their jobs instead of it just being a human right.

One day?! The entire point of health insurance is that millions of other people are paying to help you pay for your healthcare