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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I saw some posts about american wanting to move to Europe; so just before you guys make the move, double-triple check insurances/banks, because literally every time I (not american) do smth financially related in France, they ask me if I am american? If yes, they won't even open accounts/ give me insurance etc.. Sounds discriminatory but apperently because legal I dont know if that expands to any other field EDIT: lol i am now wondering what are people are downvoting for? You dont like that fact, so you downvote whoever told you that fact? Some reactions are hilarious |
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JohnnyEnzyme
piefed.social
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-11 |
I hate to recommend the evil empire, but there's a very good sub on this topic called r/AmerExit. Sometimes a community is too niche to exist on the Fediverse, and one must hold one's nose and visit Reddit for certain content. |
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FarraigePlaisteaċ (sé/é)
lemmy.world
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
If you're not American, why are you telling the institutions that you are? |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
If you're not American, why are you telling the institutions that you are?
Huh? Where i said that |
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mr_anny
sopuli.xyz
mr_anny@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2026-02-08 |
If you're not American, why are you telling the institutions that you are?
They propably slip explanation to the question like "Good, then we can open the account" |
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th3dogcow
lemmy.world
th3dogcow@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-05 |
Financial institutions in Japan ask the same thing. It is because Americans have to pay tax to American even when they don’t live in America. It just means there is more paperwork apparently. |
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schnurrito
discuss.tchncs.de
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-24 |
AFAIK this has to do with US tax law and how it applies to income earned by US citizens abroad. I have never answered yes to this, but would be surprised if it were impossible or even considerably harder for US persons to open bank accounts. I always thought this just triggered slightly different rules for the bank? |
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thespcicifcocean
lemmy.world
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-13 |
american in europe here, this is true. it's very nearly impossible to open a bank account. There is exactly one bank in Switzerland who allows americans to open accounts, UBS. So far no banks in france have allowed me to open an account, even though I have a french residency permit. This makes it nearly impossible to take loans to buy things like houses or cars. Basically life here is impossible because being american fucking sucks. |
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CompactFlax
discuss.tchncs.de
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-02-14 |
It’s not discriminatory. They don’t have any legal obligation to serve citizens of foreign countries. Citizen of USA isn’t a protected class. When they do serve American citizens it triggers a whole lot of regulatory work, and it’s understandable they don’t want to do that unless you’re a high net worth individual (ie they make enough profit to cover that cost) |
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PerogiBoi
lemmy.ca
PerogiBoi@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-08 |
american in europe here, this is true. it's very nearly impossible to open a bank account. There is exactly one bank in Switzerland who allows americans to open accounts, UBS. So far no banks in france have allowed me to open an account, even though I have a french residency permit. This makes it nearly impossible to take loans to buy things like houses or cars. Basically life here is impossibl...
Renounce your citizenship. |
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discocactus
lemmy.world
discocactus@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-22 |
american in europe here, this is true. it's very nearly impossible to open a bank account. There is exactly one bank in Switzerland who allows americans to open accounts, UBS. So far no banks in france have allowed me to open an account, even though I have a french residency permit. This makes it nearly impossible to take loans to buy things like houses or cars. Basically life here is impossibl...
Open an account at Service CU out of NH. Designed to work in Europe (IBAN, free foreign ATMs, etc). Everyone who works for the state department gets it, and afaik it's open to the public. |
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thespcicifcocean
lemmy.world
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-13 |
Renounce your citizenship.
i don't have a second citizenship to fall back on, so i'd be stateless. also, i can't afford to since you have to pay all the taxes on potential income for the next 10 years or something |
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thespcicifcocean
lemmy.world
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-13 |
Open an account at Service CU out of NH. Designed to work in Europe (IBAN, free foreign ATMs, etc). Everyone who works for the state department gets it, and afaik it's open to the public.
iban thing is nice, do you know if you can finance cars or homes? right now i have to have to drive around a beater because no european bank = no loan |
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teft
piefed.social
teft@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-07-22 |
i don't have a second citizenship to fall back on, so i'd be stateless. also, i can't afford to since you have to pay all the taxes on potential income for the next 10 years or something
Only people who make more than 200k/year or have more than 2 million in unrealized taxable assets have to pay an expatriation tax. There is no paying future taxes as that’d be asinine. |
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Eat_Your_Paisley
lemmy.world
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-13 |
iban thing is nice, do you know if you can finance cars or homes? right now i have to have to drive around a beater because no european bank = no loan
I’ve used ServiceCU for more than 20 years and yes you can buy cars and such through them |
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thespcicifcocean
lemmy.world
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-13 |
Only people who make more than 200k/year or have more than 2 million in unrealized taxable assets have to pay an expatriation tax. There is no paying future taxes as that’d be asinine.
TIL, i thought i read that 10 year tax thing somewhere. probably just bs i saw online and didn't look into it |
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thespcicifcocean
lemmy.world
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-13 |
I’ve used ServiceCU for more than 20 years and yes you can buy cars and such through them
thanks! I'm going to check them out. |
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PlutoniumAcid
lemmy.world
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
Google FATCA, the US Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. Anyone anywhere in the world that is either US citizen, or a green card holder, or in other ways related to Murica, must pay US taxes. It's insane, but the US tax system is powerful enough to bully all other countries into compliance. Don't get me started. 🤮 |
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tetris11
feddit.uk
tetris11@feddit.ukJoined: 2025-02-17 |
Financial institutions in Japan ask the same thing. It is because Americans have to pay tax to American even when they don’t live in America. It just means there is more paperwork apparently.
Yup, I had no idea how fucked you guys were with the taxes thing until I learned you had to declare it twice if living abroad |
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P03 Locke
lemmy.dbzer0.com
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-23 |
Google FATCA, the US Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. Anyone anywhere in the world that is either US citizen, or a green card holder, or in other ways related to Murica, must pay US taxes. It's insane, but the US tax system is powerful enough to bully all other countries into compliance. Don't get me started. 🤮
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too. |
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FarraigePlaisteaċ (sé/é)
lemmy.world
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
Huh? Where i said that
My question was genuine. You wrote:
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grue
lemmy.world
grue@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.
This isn't about Americans' obligation to pay. It's about hassle being forced upon foreign companies that have fuck-all to do with America (except for having American expat customers), to make them help collect the taxes on the US' behalf. |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
My question was genuine. You wrote: they ask me if I am american? If yes, they won't even open accounts/ give me insurance etc..
And my misunderstanding is genuine? I dont know how you derived that fact from what i posted lol i never stated "i am american" to anyone, because it is not only factually false but also would bring me problems |
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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.
Funny, because it's free everywhere else. Sounds like a bit of a shithole country. |
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AllNewTypeFace
leminal.space
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.spaceJoined: 2023-08-20 |
Funny, because it's free everywhere else. Sounds like a bit of a shithole country.
Except for maybe eight countries. The US, North Korea and a few small Pacific island states, if I recall correctly. |
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floofloof
lemmy.ca
floofloof@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-16 |
And my misunderstanding is genuine? I dont know how you derived that fact from what i posted lol i never stated "i am american" to anyone, because it is not only factually false but also would bring me problems
How do you know that they won't open an account if you say yes? Do you know people who have had this experience, or did the banks tell you that they would not provide these services for Americans? |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
How do you know that they won't open an account if you say yes? Do you know people who have had this experience, or did the banks tell you that they would not provide these services for Americans?
The insurance told me, but you can google that information yourself, or simply call any bank in france usually they do have english speaking line |
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muusemuuse
sh.itjust.works
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-06-25 |
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.
It literally is. |
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IntrovertTurtle
lemmy.zip
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-12-04 |
Perhaps, just maaaybe there's a social climate attributed to current events that makes this post more of a, "no shit Sherlock" kind of post. 🙄 Low hanging fruit and all that. Also, being butthurt about downvotes is cringe as fuck, go back to reddit. |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
EDIT: lol i am now wondering what are people are downvoting for? You dont like that fact, so you downvote whoever told you that fact? Some reactions are hilarious Perhaps, just maaaybe there's a social climate attributed to current events that makes this post more of a, "no shit Sherlock" kind of post. 🙄 Low hanging fruit and all that. Also, being butthurt about downvotes is cringe as fuck, go ...
I am not on reddit, you seem to keep inferring random stuff lol go back to sleep |
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booly
sh.itjust.works
booly@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-08-14 |
It’s not discriminatory. They don’t have any legal obligation to serve citizens of foreign countries. Citizen of USA isn’t a protected class. When they do serve American citizens it triggers a whole lot of regulatory work, and it’s understandable they don’t want to do that unless you’re a high net worth individual (ie they make enough profit to cover that cost)
I mean it quite literally is discriminatory, but it's legal and justified discrimination. |
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booly
sh.itjust.works
booly@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-08-14 |
AFAIK this has to do with US tax law and how it applies to income earned by US citizens abroad. I have never answered yes to this, but would be surprised if it were impossible or even considerably harder for US persons to open bank accounts. I always thought this just triggered slightly different rules for the bank?
Lots of non-American banks don't want to deal with the rules, so it's easier for them to just say that they won't open accounts for Americans. |
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CompactFlax
discuss.tchncs.de
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-02-14 |
It’s not discriminatory. I mean it quite literally is discriminatory, but it's legal and justified discrimination.
Good point. |
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Limonene
lemmy.world
Limonene@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
It’s not discriminatory. They don’t have any legal obligation to serve citizens of foreign countries. Citizen of USA isn’t a protected class. When they do serve American citizens it triggers a whole lot of regulatory work, and it’s understandable they don’t want to do that unless you’re a high net worth individual (ie they make enough profit to cover that cost)
They do have an obligation to serve their own citizens. The US double tax reporting bullshit does apply to dual citizens. |
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Thteven
lemmy.world
Thteven@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-16 |
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.
If you renounce your citizenship the US government still expects you to pay taxes for the next 10 fucking years. Do you think that sounds reasonable too? |
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th3dogcow
lemmy.world
th3dogcow@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-05 |
Yup, I had no idea how fucked you guys were with the taxes thing until I learned you had to declare it twice if living abroad
Luckily I’m not one of those guys haha |
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IncogCyberSpaceUser
piefed.social
IncogCyberSpaceUser@piefed.social Joined: 2025-05-18 |
Financial institutions in Japan ask the same thing. It is because Americans have to pay tax to American even when they don’t live in America. It just means there is more paperwork apparently.
That's only if you make more than 100k, just for additional information. |
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FarraigePlaisteaċ (sé/é)
lemmy.world
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
And my misunderstanding is genuine? I dont know how you derived that fact from what i posted lol i never stated "i am american" to anyone, because it is not only factually false but also would bring me problems
I believe you. My understanding of your post:
Hence my question. That's all. |
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njm1314
lemmy.world
njm1314@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-21 |
TIL, i thought i read that 10 year tax thing somewhere. probably just bs i saw online and didn't look into it
I would absolutely talk to an embassy or at least an international tax professional before making decisions and not rely on Lemmy. |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I believe you. My understanding of your post: I'm not American But I'm sometimes asked if I'm American If "yes", I face repercussions Hence my question. That's all.
Alright maybe my English is at fault. "If yes" meant to be: when I asked "what d happen in the hypothesis I was american"? |
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FarraigePlaisteaċ (sé/é)
lemmy.world
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
Alright maybe my English is at fault. "If yes" meant to be: when I asked "what d happen in the hypothesis I was american"?
Well, my reading comprehension as also not the best some times so I'm definitely not innocent here. I can take things to literally (and not understand sarcasm). Thanks for clarifying. I hope I didn't cause offence. |
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Captain_Buddha
lemmy.world
Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-21 |
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.
Who the fuck is getting cake!? |
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RightHandOfIkaros
lemmy.world
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
Wait... You didn't know off-shore bank accounts are only for the rich and powerful? Downvotes likely from non-Americans. Europeans specifically. They like to downvote stuff about America and Americans on Lemmy. A common prejudice on Lemmy, unfortunately. |
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theneverfox
pawb.social
theneverfox@pawb.socialJoined: 2023-06-29 |
If you renounce your citizenship the US government still expects you to pay taxes for the next 10 fucking years. Do you think that sounds reasonable too?
Haven't heard that before, that's wild |
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StinkyFingerItchyBum
lemmy.ca
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-02-26 |
Google FATCA, the US Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. Anyone anywhere in the world that is either US citizen, or a green card holder, or in other ways related to Murica, must pay US taxes. It's insane, but the US tax system is powerful enough to bully all other countries into compliance. Don't get me started. 🤮
But not to tax the rich or corporations at all. |
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tetris11
feddit.uk
tetris11@feddit.ukJoined: 2025-02-17 |
Luckily I’m not one of those guys haha
It's not that funny tbh, they're people being treated poorly by their government |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
yeah I have eu citizenship and can't open an account in europe. Now I can if I am resident to the particular area. I think europe is losing a big opportunity as I would not be surprised if quite a few us people would not mind having a bit of euros in a better run banking system just in case. They should tell the us to shove it with whatever laws or treaties prevent this. |
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Treczoks
lemmy.world
Treczoks@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
That's only if you make more than 100k, just for additional information.
But they still have to report it, even if it is below. |
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PlutoniumAcid
lemmy.world
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-14 |
is powerful enough to bully all other countries into compliance But not to tax the rich or corporations at all.
They can do anything they want. That is just something they don't want to do. Again, 🤮 |
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boonhet
sopuli.xyz
boonhet@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-06-16 |
Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.
In other countries, you pay taxes if you actually live there. If I move to Spain and live there for enough days per year, my taxes go to Spain, not Estonia. The US system I believe means you get double taxed if you live and work elsewhere, although I'm not 100% sure. |
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Dingaling
lemmy.ml
digdilem@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-22 |
Wait... You didn't know off-shore bank accounts are only for the rich and powerful? Downvotes likely from non-Americans. Europeans specifically. They like to downvote stuff about America and Americans on Lemmy. A common prejudice on Lemmy, unfortunately.
Thanks for reminding me, I almost forgot to. |
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