Rights to repair hurts the bottom line of shareholders, its evil, communistic and socialistic!!!

An neither gives you an actually good car

Ah yes, the good old communist Mercedes W123.

This comparison is just head-up-ass silly without statistics.

There are 75+ year-old Ford F-1s running around, with their original engine blocks:

https://classiccars.com/listings/view/2115325/1948-ford-f1-for-sale-in-prescott-arizona-86305

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/all-years/ford/f1

brought to you by capitalism!

Even without that, any old car can be made to work if you throw parts and labor at it. This idea that "communism made a car that ran for 30 years" is completely worthless with a single example. What matters is how many were manufactured and how many of those are still functional at 5, 10, 15, 20+ years. One sample is bad statistics.

Capitalism also produced the world's most reliable and repairable pickup truck - the Toyota Hilux. If you were going to make a comparison just on lifetime operating hours vs. maintenance cost, Toyota would win globally no problem. If you were going to make a comparison based on operating hours in harsh conditions, Toyota would also win that.

That is the peak chassis form, you may not like it, but its true.

Is the Tesla a spectacle for fools? Yes, but:

The first vehicle I ever owned is a truck older than I am. It still runs, and does work.(Built in USA)

American tractors older than any of their operators are still being bought and sold. I grew up with one, still fucking runs.

You been to Cuba? Why is this they repair American cars older than anyone driving them, instead of importing and fixing Ruuskicars?

Dumb-ass comparison XD

Trabants were shit.

I love the communist side of the picture - western car, but with bonnet up and no available spares

Comparing tech 50 years apart build for two very different purposes sure reads objectively.

Also Mr. Gas guzzler over there is unfit for today's world.

And cold gas thrusters cannot be that expensive in the whole scheme of all things supercar. They also put a vacuum in there soooo.

TVs made to soviet design famously caught fire, this was before this all printed circuit board deal was perfected. they just used cardboard-like material for that, it was flammable, absorbed water over time, and there were too closely spaced traces with high voltage on them

People just don't remember shit that broke down quickly

that's because the right thing is to switch to bike

And you had to wait ten years to get one.

In .ml terms that means you got 40 years of enjoyment out of your communist car!

Was it actually a communist car? Trying to sift through info online it looks like it was made by west Germany, which I associate with the western postwar powers, but I really dont know much about any of this

Anyone know if it was a particularly good car?

This is easily the most retarded thing I’ll see on the Internet today 🤣 feel bad.

It's a Mercedes, which is pretty much a symbol of German capitalism. I was trying to point out the irony of using this as a talking point to support communism.

The Lada Riva. That symbol of communism.

Was just a rebadged Fiat 124.

It was originally a capitalist invention that the commies took credit for.

Have you done any research in communest cars? I like shitting on capitalism as much as the next guy but cumunist cars were unreliable as fuck.

I guess they were looking for a photo of a broken down lada but didn't find one 🤣

They were kind of ok when they were launched in 1964. The thing is that east germany totally was not able to keep up with western tech and the politburo even forbid the manufacturer from improving the car. So they were still producing a 1964 car in 1989 with totally outdated tech. And they were not able to produce enough for the demand, leading to decades long waiting times

The deisel one is well known for being quite reliable and easy to keep running for a very long time. Also known for being very well built.

They were built like tanks. But they drove like tanks too.

They were very outdated even in the 1960s. After the German reunification, people were simply abandoning them by the side of the road behause they literally had zero value.

Smh just found another communist Mercedes.

Neither capitalism or communism gives you reliable cars. What helps is good regulation for minimum warranty periods, mandatory maintenance and spare parts availability for 15+ years, interdictions of dark patterns (e.g: end user should be able to replace the headlamps, oil filter and such easily with basic tools). And also, industry standards, ODB2 for diagnostics for instance. And now, Cybersecurity and data privacy is super relevant, you don't want OEMs or bad actors to be able to disable your car remotely.

Communism gives you a 10 year wait for a car lol. And that's only if the authoritarian government in charge deems you worthy of it and you didn't do anything that might offend them.
Just look at the DDR (former eastern germany). Communism there worked well. NOT.

If you haven't seen already most if not all of USSR technology was stolen, and I wouldn't be surprised if tradition continued to Russia

Don’t ask Mercedes what they were doing between 1934 and 1945.

I need respectable 90s Japanese cars that are competing to destroy the American automotive industry. But with electronic vehicles.

well you can, they're forced by law to acknowledge it.

fr4? that's still the cheapest pcb material around. great for prototyping.

I lost the gas cap for one. The guy at the parts store laughed at me when I asked for a gas cap for a Mercedes, then he looked through the book said "Oh" and grabbed one from the shelf that had five of them on it. It's the same cap as tractors use.

TVs were hugely dangerous in the early days. People used to get electrocuted all the time. They had hugely high voltage and exploded sometimes.

Plus going 0-60 in five minutes gave you more time to bask in awe at all the slate gray brutalist architecture!

Funny how communists didn't have a problem with that brand, isn't it?

Communism or Capitalism don't make things better or worse. Corruption makes things worse and regulations and oversight make them better.

Endless stories about garbage made on both sides leads to some greedy fucker rigging the system.

And BMW, and Krupp, Hugo, Bayer, blah, blah…. Yeah. Any industry that could industry produced for the Reich.

I’m not saying that to be “everyone was doing it,” but wondering why the need to point out what historically is well known and definitely not a secret.

Both make things worth. If you've got a bit of time on your hands, I can thoroughly recommend James Scott's book Seeing Like A State. Not many more clear eyed views of the recent history of social structures around.

Yeah. Electric vehicles with no computers (beyond microcontrollers for batter chargers and stuff).

There was a period about 15 years ago where you going get a not stupidly expensive electric refit kit for a bunch of cars - someone I know did it with a 90s Rav4 for like $10k. Unfortunately they seem to be stupid expensive now.

In Europe we have Renault offering something in this segment with their new Twingo. Barebone simple EV for city driving and daily commute. It's priced around 13k€ new.

you’re making too much sense for some neomarxist kiddie dimwits here.

This is stupid

Or IBM

Nazi weren't communists. But you did find a Nazi car

That's a capitalist car btw. Mercedes from West Germany

https://fee.org/articles/the-worst-car-ever-a-brief-history-of-the-trabant/

It wasn’t that the Trabant had a weak two-stroke engine, though it did. It wasn’t just that the Trabant was made with recycled waste (usually from wool or cotton), though it was. It wasn’t that Trabants topped out at 60 mph and “smoked like an Iraqi oil fire,” as one writer put it.

No, the Trabant’s biggest problem was that it never really improved.

I particularly enjoy the "stolen technology" line about Russia and China, because it's a tacit admission that capitalism works by keeping people deliberately poor and miserable so that a profit can be extracted from them.

Conversions for most cars are pretty lame. Battery placement is rough and mechanical losses from attaching an electric motor to a transmission for an ICE are significant. Conversions are cool but mostly a novelty.

I'd rather see some real bare-bones electrics, like the first Leafs, with the best battery tech we can toss in them.

Eastern Block cars definitely didn't have the reputation of working well. They were more known to be easy to repair, but they had to be since shit broke constantly lol

Yeah, for sure. Just gotta find a very large funder...