This is what the rest of the world doesn't understand. It's been demonstrated in history. Everyone thinks USA Mickey Mouse and Coka Cola! It's more like the saw movies.

The big problem France has, is that they are broke and since apparently no country in the world is willing to tax major coorperations and barely tax billionaires it will be very difficult to keep low retirement ages or bring all the schools in France up to reasonable standards.

Trust me, that was toned down. My condescension for Internet blowhards tippety-tappeting out their "up the revolution" bullshit from behind their Russian-funded keyboards is practically infinite.

when power spits in our face and start mutilating our children, then we come for its fucking head

Classic Lemmy fuckwittery. At best an imbecile, at worst an agent of fascism - both deserve contempt.

Organized what? baking cookies and waltzing around downtown?

Guys, the blue pedo fascists might win, let’s not even do that walking downtown with gumption thing until after we know for a fact who our kings are. If it’s the guys we like, we can forget about the fact that we are getting raked over the coals by billionaires. Our walking cookiethons won’t be needed.

Yeah it’s not my fault I’m a coward, the rest of the world never had to fight in the face of death for their rights so they wouldn’t understand.

Huh actually they do understand seeing as most of them did have to do that.

It is all Mickey Mouse and Coca-Cola. And by that I mean they have you fat and distracted.

Speaking of Mickey Mouse go watch andor again and tell yourself how brave and righteous you were while you watched.

i say we need to start thinking bigger. transport. electricity. water. hit the system where it hurts

I would love to read statistics about this. Do you have any pointer I can read?

If he didn't pick it up or catch it, how did it blow his hand off?

I completely agree that explosives should not be used against protestors.

Still, I fail to see how a stun grenade can blow your hand off if it's not in your hand.

Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie

I mean yes, the cops lie a lot, but if the kid didn't have the grenade in his hand, it seems implausible for it to have blown his hand off.

Students around testified that the grenade landed in his hand. Also, it doesn't matter whether he grabbed it or not.

You're not a coward. You probably never had a gun to your face or bled for six hours, talk about a roller coaster of thoughts.

By exploding near or on his hand, numbnut. This isn't rocket science. Maybe stop making excuses for violence

They keep telling themselves it’s so much tougher to protest in America than it is for France. Whatever makes you feel better.

That's because you think a stun grenade's only job is that it stuns, just like that.

It's a grenade. It explodes. That's how it can blow off a hand if it hits one.

Violent protests would be extremely counterproductive in the US right now. If you really believe otherwise then you need to step away from the Internet for a while, because you are totally delusional.

Keep playing checkers when you need to play chess.

If they did we'd lose the election in a heartbeat. You keyboard warriors who sit at home and do nothing but whine and criticize are the fucking worst.

False dichotomy.

Dude you are so wrong. The point of the no kings protest is to organize people and encourage them to vote early for the election. It isn't supposed to be a disruptive protest.

Maybe try getting off your ass and actually doing something instead of agitating for violence on lemmy like a terminally online weirdo.

No it isn't. You're just delusional. You think the average French person is sympathetic to violent protests? They are almost always counterproductive.

We have much to learn from the French.

The only problem is that most often these responses are made up.

You literally just said that you wished no kings protestors were breaking cop car windows, destroying property and setting fires in the street like the video but now you're pretending it's disingenuous to call you out on that?

And how did you define "ICE protest"? We had 8 million at No Kings in one day last year, funny how that isn't in your cherry picked graph.

China isn't listed, but we couldn't get reliable numbers from them anyway. China counts as a "wealthy" nation, no doubt. Also, France isn't listed.

I suspect the U.S. number is too low, as well. We all know our cops cover for each other and lie constantly.

"just taking orders"

So, yeah. Cop blew off a kid's hand. Someone not-a-cop would take responsibility for this. I'll leave the nuance to the lawyers.

Anyone who remembers the George Floyd protests remembers that being the case then, too.

The NYPD funneled the peaceful protesters into one intersection and then attacked.

Ah, yes. I remember y'all in the comments of the George Floyd protest live-streams.

Maybe some of them are enjoying it, but it's not a daily occurrence outside of protests, and it the protest is legitimate. Their enjoyment is not the reason for wrecking shit.

A false dichotomy is the presentation of a problem as a binary choice, when in fact there's a variety of solutions.

In this case Americans are doing nothing to prevent the rise of fascism.

You're claiming that you're doing nothing because violent protest is counter-productive, and ignoring all of the other solutions.

Source ?

lmao, I know that education is bad, but at least try to read and understand that graph, where it clearly says those are ICE protests, so your allegation of me cherry picking is simply stupid. And if you believe that No Kings was about protesting ICE, then you most likely did not even understand the message you want to transmit to your government

The No Kings protests grew a large number of participants, because US people love to walk around with cardboard signs together with friends. After the protests, everybody went home happy and the next day everything was as if nothing happened.

Just another one believing you are heavily protesting your government while the rest of the world is laughing at you.

Frustration leads to chaos. The French are very frustrated at the moment.

One of is certainly terminally online, but it's not me. Take your projection and fuck off. I've already lost family members to the Concentration Camps, so kindly take your privilege elsewhere and try being useful for once.

hit ordinary people where it hurts?

Not saying we should limit those essentials, but you do mention a phenomena that we should be aware of, and that's that any damage to economics at any level tends to have a ripple effect, whereby normal people wind up feeling the pain in some form. Could be as mundane as layoffs from "cost cutting," in response to the need for more security, or loss of assets, or anything really.

Have you considered a career in journalism?

And then finally do nothing. these people are doing you are thinking.

This is the only country where police probably really fear for their lives (not talking about the bullshit US police spew to get themselves out of trouble when they kill someone).

gee, i wonder why? definitely not the government's fault...

French education been underfunded since like Chirac. it's kinda impressive how it came to this.

Occupy Wall Street enters chat.

a combination of external factors beyond the governmental control, the aftermath of short-sighted energy policies, the aftermath of even shorter-sighted deprioritization of public education, cost of living crisis on top of that and heavily biased fiscal policies on top of that and some good old government corruption as cherry on top.

They should. For what I've seen in the news cycle, protests started peacefully then the police started crippling children. I mean, a 14 year old lost an arm to police brutality. That's when the rest of the country raised up in arms and started attacking the cops and rioting. So far all political statements, starting with Macron, have only called to prosecute children for property damage calling them "extreme left violence". While the cops maiming children, who were just asking for more teachers with fair pay, are being protected.

ACAB

Sad to see innocent businesses getting destroyed. Sad to see schools not being modernized as per request of students and protesters. Sad to see government not doing due diligence to listen to their people, especially children.

Happy to see people protesting not only for 5 hours. Happy to see repercussions of not being heard. Happy to see that France shows the whole world how one should protest.

Which innocent business got destroyed? I'm not doubting some did, but I hear that narrative during every protest, and I have seen them smashing Louis Vuitton and other corps windows but leaving local businesses untouched. That's how it's usually been where I'm at when this stuff happens, a business seen as supporting the police or CVS/Target etc got attacked but the local store next door run by cooler people was untouched even without boarded windows in 2020.

Are you in the US? You can get from any point of France to the capital relatively quick through driving or transit. People in the US do stuff but it's tough to have numbers in the streets like this when we are so spread out and the police will shoot you on the way.

Good for them, wouldn't you have fun fighting back? We are ruled by wealthy vampires, I would rather die fighting them than help prop up this global system of genocide, endlessly exploiting every working person. There wouldn't be wrecking if there was a real dialogue between people and the rulers. The protests never start like this. They get together and ask for what they want, then the police started beating the fuck out of them.

I just watched a clip, I've seen it in person before though more than once, where someone was just standing there alone doing nothing as the police groups ran by. Around a dozen cops threw him to the ground, stomped on him, beat him with sticks and he died. They want to kill us. So whatever fighting back they feel is necessary is what should be done. What are you doing to save people's lives?

Is that true though? Do you have data on that? That's not what I've seen. They looted Louis Vuitton, is that a small local store?

And French police is doing the same. They even have an official name for barricading. They trap a group of peaceful protestors into an alley, then send a provocateur dressed as a civilian to start violence. They use the violence as an excuse to detain and injure everyone trapped inside the barricade. When the battle breaks out, they use that to further repress the peaceful protestors.

It's a worldwide established practice by all police forces.