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return2ozma lemmy.world return2ozma@lemmy.world
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BooBees fedinsfw.app BooBees@fedinsfw.app
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#2 · Quote Reply

Most people don’t even want that, they just want to bitch and keep their daily routine. Which includes finding stuff to bitch about from behind a screen.

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shittydwarf piefed.ca shittydwarf@piefed.ca
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JK the French know how to protest

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Signtist bookwyr.me Signtist@bookwyr.me
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#4 · Quote Reply

To be fair, I've never met someone who doesn't either support or denounce violent protests in general - French or otherwise. This sounds like someone getting angry at the internet as a whole, without seeming to understand that it's made up of so many different people that it simultaneously holds all possible viewpoints at the same time.

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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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#5 · Quote Reply

Always with the "liberals".

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assaultpotato sh.itjust.works assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-20
#6 · Quote Reply

To be fair, I've never met someone who doesn't either support or denounce violent protests in general - French or otherwise. This sounds like someone getting angry at the internet as a whole, without seeming to understand that it's made up of so many different people that it simultaneously holds all possible viewpoints at the same time.

I don't think the people saying "protest like the french" are the "liberals" OP is claiming "lost their mind" at BLM. This feels like strawman of strawman.

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shweddy lemmy.world shweddy@lemmy.world
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#7 · Quote Reply

GuYs dOn't bReAk mY TaRgEt

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freagle lemmy.ml frisbird@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-11-24
#8 · Quote Reply

To be fair, I've never met someone who doesn't either support or denounce violent protests in general - French or otherwise. This sounds like someone getting angry at the internet as a whole, without seeming to understand that it's made up of so many different people that it simultaneously holds all possible viewpoints at the same time.

Uh, the Internet is not the problem here. The problem is that liberals in real life work their asses off to make sure that their protests do nothing more disruptive than get people to honk horns. And even THAT is sometimes too disruptive for liberals.

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Signtist bookwyr.me Signtist@bookwyr.me
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#9 · Quote Reply

Uh, the Internet is not the problem here. The problem is that liberals in real life work their asses off to make sure that their protests do nothing more disruptive than get people to honk horns. And even THAT is sometimes too disruptive for liberals.

That is a problem, for sure, but it's not the same problem as "Someone who isn't a liberal supported violent protest on the Internet, but then a liberal denounced it!? What's the deal?"

Like, yeah, people who think they can make change peacefully within the system that exists to exploit them are making it harder to actually make change, but they're not the ones crying out in support of French protests in the first place.

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Soulphite reddthat.com Soulphite@reddthat.com
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#10 · Quote Reply

JK the French know how to protest

Because they're terrible at war, and that's sorta okay.

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TrickDacy lemmy.world TrickDacy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-27
#11 · Quote Reply

Always with the "liberals".

Yeah, exactly which liberals are we talking about? Maga? This shit is beyond moronic.

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gedaliyah lemmy.world gedaliyah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-15
#12 · Quote Reply

Yeah, all this talk of violent protests right before an important election will DEFINITELY not help the fascists declare martial law and stay in power. /s

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TrickDacy lemmy.world TrickDacy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-27
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I am not aware of a single "liberal" who got upset about that at all.

The problem might be that you either don't know what a liberal is, or that you don't know how people use the term in everyday life.

You saw a mildly critically post from a soccer mom. We get it, you think you're morally righteous and anyone with a slightly different opinion is an evil LiBeRaL

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paranoia feddit.dk paranoia@feddit.dk
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#14 · (edited) Quote Reply

Always with the "liberals".

classical liberals maybe

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Godric lemmy.world Godric@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
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gUiS gUiS iT's Da LiBbErUls!!!1!!1!!

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9point6 lemmy.world 9point6@lemmy.world
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#16 · Quote Reply

Protest that doesn't disrupt is barely protest

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NOT_RICK lemmy.world NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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#17 · Quote Reply

Because they're terrible at war, and that's sorta okay.

Oh no, not this trope again.

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Ricky Rigatoni piefed.zip RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip
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Yeah, exactly which liberals are we talking about? Maga? This shit is beyond moronic.

maybe people who are really into Liberace?

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ryannathans aussie.zone ryannathans@aussie.zone
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#19 · Quote Reply

Are the liberals in the room with us now

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NathanRanch lemmy.zip NathanRanch@lemmy.zip
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#20 · Quote Reply

New lines of division just dropped! I totally voting for Trump now! /s I'm such a dumb lib or liberal or whatever!

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ChonkyOwlbear lemmy.world ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-24
#21 · (edited) Quote Reply

I wish people would realize that the ability to protest is directly tied to social safety net.

You get beaten by a cop, you will get free healthcare that is not directly tied to your job. In the US, if you do have healthcare, it is tied to your job and your job can fire you for protesting if they want (unlike France we have no protection for being fired for political opinion).

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Goodlucksil lemmy.dbzer0.com Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#22 · Quote Reply

classical liberals maybe

Are we talking about Martínez de la Rosa-era liberals? (that was on the 30's. The 1830's)

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StabbingSky lemmy.zip StabbingSky@lemmy.zip
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#23 · Quote Reply

Always with the "liberals".

They keep forgetting to put "neo" in front.

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Signtist bookwyr.me Signtist@bookwyr.me
Joined: 2025-06-27
#24 · Quote Reply

Always with the "liberals".

Usually for posts like these I assume they're talking about the unfortunately large group of milquetoast left-leaning Americans who think the system destroying their livelihoods can be reasoned with, as if the people stepping on our necks are just unaware of their actions, and would feel really bad if we wrote them a letter explaining the situation. They're certainly better than the neck-steppers themselves, but neither will ever actually fight to improve the situation we're in.

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lobut lemmy.ca lobut@lemmy.ca
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#25 · Quote Reply

Because they're terrible at war, and that's sorta okay.

Education at its finest.

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HuntressHimbo lemmy.zip HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-04
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I am not aware of a single "liberal" who got upset about that at all. The problem might be that you either don't know what a liberal is, or that you don't know how people use the term in everyday life. You saw a mildly critically post from a soccer mom. We get it, you think you're morally righteous and anyone with a slightly different opinion is an evil LiBeRaL

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/

There you go, now you can be aware. This article includes quotes from Biden, Clyburn, Lightfoot, Wheeler, and Pelosi condemning property destruction. (Pelosi's quote is about the 2017 Berkeley protests though)

Here is a followup about Dems distancing themselves from the George Floyd protests more recently.

https://www.deccanherald.com/world/how-the-2020-george-floyd-protests-are-haunting-democrats-in-2025-3583363

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wheezy lemmy.ml wheezy@lemmy.ml
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#27 · (edited) Quote Reply

To be fair, I've never met someone who doesn't either support or denounce violent protests in general - French or otherwise. This sounds like someone getting angry at the internet as a whole, without seeming to understand that it's made up of so many different people that it simultaneously holds all possible viewpoints at the same time.

The people that "denounce violent protest" are people that have never been to a protest that wasn't a planned parade. Violence is an inevitable result of protests because the state itself uses violence to stop the protest. No matter how peaceful its initial intentions of protest are.

A "protest" that has a start and end date coordinated with the state is not a protest. It is a parade.

The majority of what people call "violence" is property damage. Property damage is not violence. But somehow we convince everyone that broken windows are worse than broken bones.

The same people that "denounce violent protest" also seem to have no problem with the use of chemical weapons on crowds of unarmed people. You go out to a protest, the first time your eyes are burning from tear gas you'll understand why any protest will fight back when violence is first placed on them by the state.

Steps to make people watching on TV "denounce violent protest"

(0) Society reaches a breaking point and protest form with the purpose to disrupt the ability of society to operate without acknowledging the injustice the protest is pointing towards.
(1) Protest are labeled "violent" because of property damage. Usually with less property damage than the aftermath of the average football match "celebration" results in. But these initially small acts of property damage are the focus of the media. Very little is said about why the protest started to begin with.
(2) Police use chemical weapons (banned in warfare) on their own citizens. Rubber bullets, flash bangs, hoses, etc. All acts of actual violence. Don't believe me? Take a rubber bullet to the head and tell me it's not violence.
(3) Protesters respond to violence with self defense measures. Kick back tear gas canisters, using leaf blowers, and becoming more defensive in body armor and gas masks to maintain the disruption the protest is meant to create. Yes. The goal of a protest is to disrupt society and inconvenience you. That's the whole point. Stop saying "it makes me not support them when they block the road". Dude, they are blocking the road because you weren't supporting them. Protest is the voice of the unheard.
(4) Police work to escalate violence through plain clothes officers working to increase property damage and get crowds of people to reach levels of property damage not intended by the protest. An individual act of violence of a single protestor or act of property damage can be used as justification to use violence on to a larger degree on the crowd. The police goal is not to keep the protest peaceful. The goal is to escalate the violence so they can justify their own levels of violence.
(5) Media covers the protest primarily on the property damage and violence of the protesters. The violence of the police is not spoken about. The violence of the police is treated as "keeping order" when it is doing the opposite. All the time we watch media people on the ground not "afraid of the violent protesters" but are literally running away from tear gas and flash bangs themselves. Next time you watch media coverage, watch how the media acts, it's far more telling than how the media speaks.
(6) The protest either dies out due to people not wanting to risk their lives as the violence is escalated by the police. OR the protests continue and are primarily maintained by those willing to use violence in self defense.

All of this time. The protestors would leave and allow the disruption to end if even a fraction of their demands are met. Paris protest started because of a failure in the education system. The government would rather spend their money on a militarized police force than on education. That should tell you a lot about the reason why protest became necessary to begin with.

TLDR: There are no "peaceful protest" that are capable of achieving the end results the protest itself is trying to achieve. The state will respond in violence to stop anything that actually has a chance of forcing change. There is no staying peaceful when chemical weapons and rubber bullets are introduced.

How MLK was viewed at the time

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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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#28 · Quote Reply

Usually for posts like these I assume they're talking about the unfortunately large group of milquetoast left-leaning Americans who think the system destroying their livelihoods can be reasoned with, as if the people stepping on our necks are just unaware of their actions, and would feel really bad if we wrote them a letter explaining the situation. They're certainly better than the neck-steppe...

Ah, the Liberal Surrogate ™️.

Insert the thing you want to use as a punching bag. The right, the left, the middle, doesn't matter. Choose your own adventure.

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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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#29 · Quote Reply

They keep forgetting to put "neo" in front.

I dunno man, there are some who ONLY operate under the Marxist definition of "Liberal". They don't believe language evolves and that maybe to most people "Liberal" is the term used to describe anyone with progressive ideals.

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brygphilomena lemmy.dbzer0.com brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#30 · Quote Reply

The people that "denounce violent protest" are people that have never been to a protest that wasn't a planned parade. Violence is an inevitable result of protests because the state itself uses violence to stop the protest. No matter how peaceful its initial intentions of protest are. A "protest" that has a start and end date coordinated with the state is not a protest. It is a parade. The major...

It's refreshing to see someone else explicitly state that property damage isn't violence.

It's capitalist and media propaganda to conflate the two to protect themselves.

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Signtist bookwyr.me Signtist@bookwyr.me
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#31 · Quote Reply

Ah, the Liberal Surrogate ™️. Insert the thing you want to use as a punching bag. The right, the left, the middle, doesn't matter. Choose your own adventure.

To be fair, back when I would have identified as a Liberal, I was exactly the type of person to say "If we just communicate that we're unhappy more effectively, they'll listen this time for sure!"

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oni ᓚᘏᗢ lemmy.world capuccino@lemmy.world
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#32 · Quote Reply

straw man fallacy?

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NathanRanch lemmy.zip NathanRanch@lemmy.zip
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#33 · Quote Reply

The people that "denounce violent protest" are people that have never been to a protest that wasn't a planned parade. Violence is an inevitable result of protests because the state itself uses violence to stop the protest. No matter how peaceful its initial intentions of protest are. A "protest" that has a start and end date coordinated with the state is not a protest. It is a parade. The major...

The same tea-partyers that wanted to overthrow the government because Obama wore a tan suit, are also the people that openly call for the death of people that don't agree with them, while also talking a lot about the sanctity of life. Fucking psychopaths.

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paultimate14 lemmy.world paultimate14@lemmy.world
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#34 · Quote Reply

I wish people would realize that the ability to protest is directly tied to social safety net. You get beaten by a cop, you will get free healthcare that is not directly tied to your job. In the US, if you do have healthcare, it is tied to your job and your job can fire you for protesting if they want (unlike France we have no protection for being fired for political opinion).

Not just that, but US police are extraordinarily different from police in most of the world. They trace their roots back to organizations first formed to hunt escaped slaves. They are heavily militarized, almost never face any consequences for abusing their power, and are usually encouraged to use violence against left-wing protestors.

At points during the BLM protests, Trump called in the National Guard, who proceeded shoot and kill both protestors and bystanders.

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whosepoopisonmybuttocks sh.itjust.works whosepoopisonmybuttocks@sh.itjust.works
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#35 · Quote Reply

Liberals didn't lose their minds.

However, the media are owned and controlled by the billionaires. This allows them a lot of control of the narrative and your perception of events.

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ExtraJudgement lemmy.world ExtraJudgement@lemmy.world
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#36 · (edited) Quote Reply

The most effective form of protest workers have against owners requires no violence at all: It's strikes, ideally a general strike. The economic damages from even one week of half of the country's workers refusing to work would force the wealthiest permille to make concessions.

The principal problem people in the USA have is that your hyperindividualism prevents you from developing a class consciousness with your fellow workers. Most of you are not joining unions to make them strong for collective bargaining, not standing in local elections against establishment candidates, not joining/creating local mutual self-help groups, and so on.

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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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#37 · Quote Reply

To be fair, back when I would have identified as a Liberal, I was exactly the type of person to say "If we just communicate that we're unhappy more effectively, they'll listen this time for sure!"

I mean, I miss those days.

Bright eyed and bushy tailed. Believing that most people are kind at heart...

Now I'm pretty sure my neighbors will call ICE on my other neighbors if they ever do anything even slightly annoying.

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jordanlund lemmy.world jordanlund@lemmy.world
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#38 · Quote Reply

"Safe" protests won't accomplish a damn thing.

I love the No Kings protests in Portland... congratulations, you're protesting for an audience who already 99% agrees with you.

But that's protests in Portland in general, BLM, Occupy Wall Street, etc. etc.

Want to make a real difference? Take that shit to D.C. and shut the city down for a month. That might move the needle.

Preaching to the pre-converted? Pointless.

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TrickDacy lemmy.world TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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#39 · (edited) Quote Reply

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/ There you go, now you can be aware. This article includes quotes from Biden, Clyburn, Lightfoot, Wheeler, and Pelosi condemning property destruction. (Pelosi's quote is about the 2017 Berkeley protests though) Here is a followup about Dems distancing themselves from ...

Seems to me if this was about politicians, the word Democrats would've been used. It never occurred to me at all that this was regarding politicians, since the party name is universally how they would be spoken about.

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wheezy lemmy.ml wheezy@lemmy.ml
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#40 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's refreshing to see someone else explicitly state that property damage isn't violence. It's capitalist and media propaganda to conflate the two to protect themselves.

It's one of those things that is just heavily a part of the education system and media that no one really questions.

However, it's also a very easy thing to explain. When people realize that their governments and their media care more about property damage than the lives it's populations children; it's a very radicalizing moment for a lot of people.

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Sanguine lemmy.dbzer0.com Sanguine@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#41 · Quote Reply

straw man fallacy?

I mean it does generalize and probably isn't true upon close exam, but they are not wrong about how easy it was for "liberals" to suddenly have a problem with protest the second it got messy.

Though NIMBYs gonna NIMBY.

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zoltanshields lemmy.zip zoltanshields@lemmy.zip
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#42 · Quote Reply

Is it possible the "Americans can't protest like the French" and "I don't like disruptive protests" camps are two entirely different groups of people?

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thefluffiest feddit.nl thefluffiest@feddit.nl
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#43 · Quote Reply

When the pearlclutching starts, that’s when you take it up a few notches. Not back down.

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HuntressHimbo lemmy.zip HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip
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#44 · Quote Reply

Seems to me if this was about politicians, the word Democrats would've been used. It never occurred to me at all that this was regarding politicians, since the party name is universally how they would be spoken about.

Sorry, took your comment about the 'soccer mom' as an indication you wanted to hear about party officials over lay people

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TrickDacy lemmy.world TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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#45 · (edited) Quote Reply

Sorry, took your comment about the 'soccer mom' as an indication you wanted to hear about party officials over lay people

No it was really just to illustrate that if they heard that it was some random one off case which wasn't common. I was thinking of it as being some Facebook rando whose politics got assumed because of some signal that didn't necessarily mean anything

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nialv7 lemmy.world nialv7@lemmy.world
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#46 · Quote Reply

To be fair, I've never met someone who doesn't either support or denounce violent protests in general - French or otherwise. This sounds like someone getting angry at the internet as a whole, without seeming to understand that it's made up of so many different people that it simultaneously holds all possible viewpoints at the same time.

i support violent protests. light teslas on fire, raid a walmart, block amazon delivery trucks.

but i don't support, for example, people breaking in and robbing some independent shopkeeper's grocery store. like, those are working class people on your side...

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SaharaMaleikuhm feddit.org SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
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#47 · Quote Reply

I wish people would realize that the ability to protest is directly tied to social safety net. You get beaten by a cop, you will get free healthcare that is not directly tied to your job. In the US, if you do have healthcare, it is tied to your job and your job can fire you for protesting if they want (unlike France we have no protection for being fired for political opinion).

So it is true. Americans can't protest like the French. You just interpreted it wrongly

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wonderingwanderer sopuli.xyz wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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#48 · Quote Reply

classical liberals maybe

Classical liberalism was an improvement over what came before it. Neoliberalism is when it morphed into anarcho-capitalist-esque "austerity for the poor; rights and subsidies for corporations"

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Miaou jlai.lu Miaou@jlai.lu
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#49 · Quote Reply

Not just that, but US police are extraordinarily different from police in most of the world. They trace their roots back to organizations first formed to hunt escaped slaves. They are heavily militarized, almost never face any consequences for abusing their power, and are usually encouraged to use violence against left-wing protestors. At points during the BLM protests, Trump called in the Nati...

French police trace their roots to sending Jews to Germany, just fyi

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Soggy lemmy.world Soggy@lemmy.world
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#50 · Quote Reply

"Safe" protests won't accomplish a damn thing. I love the No Kings protests in Portland... congratulations, you're protesting for an audience who already 99% agrees with you. But that's protests in Portland in general, BLM, Occupy Wall Street, etc. etc. Want to make a real difference? Take that shit to D.C. and shut the city down for a month. That might move the needle. Preaching to the pre-con...

We don't have a central figure or identity that can pull that kind of movement together. Single-day marches? Sure. Moving hundreds of thousands of people two thousand miles and then feeding them for a month? That's military logistics.

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Soggy lemmy.world Soggy@lemmy.world
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#51 · Quote Reply

So it is true. Americans can't protest like the French. You just interpreted it wrongly

Nationality isn't the issue, location is. You can't protest in America like you can in France.

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