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Gone but not forgotten

I still talk with folks about what an unmitigated security disaster it was prior to SP2.

Why XP and not 2000?

No '95, 2K and ME.

No Windows 10

I think Windows peaked with 7. The last time that you felt like the upgrade was worth it or at least not a step backwards.

This is exactly right. I suffered through vista, loved the hell out of 7, and right as 8 came out, someone offered me an iMac for cheap. Started learning OS X and when 8 came out and I saw what was going on, I never went back.

NT and Windows 7...things just worked.

CEMENT

XP was an unmitigated disaster at release it got better tho.

Yeah, I was going to say 7 as well.

Why is this the Windows 95 logo with the XP name photoshopped in?

Agree although I loved XP. 10 wasn't terrible in the end, and 11 is a shit show

I'm almost at the point where if my company gets me a high-end subscription to an AI system, I'm just gonna backport all of the security updates to 7 and start rocking it again.

10 was ugly IMO and it turned the anti-consumer bullshit up to 11

I will say that 7 lacks the cool retro flavor that XP had, but maybe that's just because lots of Linux UI looks about as old as 7 (Cinnamon being the biggest "offender").

DAS CONK CREET BAYBEE

It was made by an LLM running on Windows ME.

Cut AI some slack. /jj

But damn, people did hold onto Win XP SP3 because Vista was shit and 7, just like 10, had very rough starts.

And fuck 11. The first time a computer's OS had Intel Inside.

We still talk about you because some dumb internal applications that were created more than 2 decades ago and nobody dares to update are still running on them, creating awful cybersecurity weaknesses and dragging the entire network down with it.

People said the same about XP when Windows 7 came out.

And they will say the same about Windows 10 when Windows 12 comes out.

It all depends on the Windows version you are most familiar with.

I never heard anyone say that. Windows 7 was generally well regarded as soon as it came out.

I liked 98SE better than ME.

Probably 10 years ago I encountered a pump on a job. It was huge. 2-3 stories tall. Probably cost millions.

There was a computer plugged into, an old beige tower case and a CRT monitor with RS232 serial cable between it and the pump.

This was the control system, it was connected to the network (airgapped LAN fortunately).

Was running NT4!

I have no idea why it was set up this way, PLCs were definitely the standard at the time and there were older PLCs than that on the site. No one who worked there was around when it was installed, it was just the way it was.

Yeah, 2000 was everything good about xp without the bad.

Its the last version of windows I ran at home.

Sadly family and work require me to be familiar with what microsoft has released since then

Ahh yes, let's stack system edits to not be prioritized in memory then written to disk. What's that, a power outage? Well sucks to be you, reinstall.

My big gripe with windows 10 is them putting half of settings in the Settings app but you still need to dig out the legacy control panel for stupid shit like audio device management that makes sense.

Was there a release of Windows after Windows 3.0 that wasn't an unmitigated disaster upon release? I never actually installed Windows 2 or 1 so I don't know how bad they were.

Like Ubuntu 8.04, canonical with their attempts to make an apple inspired walled garden have mucked it all up. I want Debian but better but not with too much extra. Ubuntu was this ultimate nexus of Linux for a moment but now it's gone. Now Fedora is the runner up.

Ya and it gets even worse on windows 11. I still pull up settings menus with windows+r and the command lmao. For example instead of 45 clicks to change an IP address, I just type ncpa.cpl in the run box and hit enter. Way faster.

I recall in the early 2000s my web master mentor told me you should be able to get to any page on a site in 3 or 4 clicks...

Seems like a good standard for any UI design. 3 or 4 steps to get anywhere.

Its literally a dozen steps to get to some settings in windows.

Windows 11 is great, it's getting a lot of people to embrace Linux

Intel inside

Now, with 10% communism.

I was a life long windows guy up until I switched to nobara linux in january this year. I've tried linux now and again in the past but WINE just didn't work well enough or it didn't support hardware I was using or I couldn't do something I wanted to do. Well Nobara installs all my Steam games perfect. Proton and WINE work flawless. All my games work. It supports all my hardware. I can customize everything exactly the way I want. It is IMO the first linux distro that is functionally better than Windows. I know that might piss off some lifelong linux users but it was the distro that made me switch.

So it was a mitigated disaster.

This is true. And valve is great too, the two big camps for not trying Linux are gamers and those that use things like MS office and adobe products. But most people who use word and excel have no idea that likely 100% of what they do is easily possible in libreoffice

Nah Linux is about freedom. When you distro hop enough you'll see the differences between the major distros are mainly subjective. Nobara had a specific goal and they've done a really good job of achieving it so I got nothing but respect for that team. People get persnickety but that's just people being lame. I'm not personally married to any distro. Right now rocking Fedora but may switch back to arch when I get another machine or feel like doing a fresh install.

Same deal for Zorin, not what I would personally run but I appreciate them. Then there's distros with a very specific use case like tails, puppy Linux, DSL, qubes, Nix, openWRT, and so on and they're great too. I have a puppy Linux and tails flashdrive.

Yeah, so, Windows XP didn't look like that.

Debian solved all past pain points, now they are legit better than Ubuntu LTS in most ways that matter & are equal in user friendliness.

if it works, why spend the money to change it?

They could have peaked with 10, but decided to make it spyware instead.

More like corporate welfare. Windows 10 was touted as just going to be called Windows, no more versions persè as it would be just an agile rolling release.

Then Intel was like, "these peeps are using 24 year old computers and slapping SSDs in them... we need to do something to get people to buy computers, Micro$lop."

And they replied with Windows 11, which forced people to buy new Intel hardware, slapped a new UI that is buggy and gross, threw in copilot, and it takes a ton of registry edits to make the damn thing usable for me.

Anout to go back to BSD or just say, "fuck technology" and become an electrician.

No=one said that of Windows 8 though...

I have weirdly strong nostalgia for Windows 98 but I can't possibly explain why...

Even without the spyware aspect, 10's design is ugly and the UX has severe issues...

People get persnickety but that's just people being lame.

Well said

Thanks. Been around the Linux block a few times. It's all the same kernel and user space for the most part. All anyone is really doing is make some choices about compiling the kernel, what packages they want to support and what package manager they want to use.

Same, I distro-hopped a bunch when I built this PC last year and landed on Fedora (funny enough, the one I tried right before was Nobara), and it's been more than good enough so far that I don't feel the need to switch. At this point, most of the time I kinda forget that I'm using Linux because things just work that smoothly. Definitely a huge leap from even ~5 years ago.

I converted their old PCs to Linux when my elderly parents' Windows 10 computers started to get ridiculous slow. They both learned Libreoffice Calc in 1.5 months. I did not teach them, they know more about how Calc works than I do now, lol.

Aow awahoo, a-dunn

I just overwrote a Windows XP installation with Void Linux last weekend on an old netbook for a family member. But I felt very nostalgic when I booted a real XP system to see what was on it.

BOWEP

I've trouble getting friends and family to move to Libreoffice. I've been using it for about a decade now but having tried Euro-Office (OnlyOffice fork), I think I finally get it. Libreoffice could really do with a visual upgrade