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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
Why not add a clause that they donate their vast wealth and assets to public causes.
IIRC the means of death has to be something they would conceivable do, and in a very short time span of a few minutes. So you can't have the targets say messages with information they didn't know, or have them take actions that would be too out of character, or long in duration. And the process of having a billionaire give away all their wealth is a long process. At best it would take days, if not weeks for all their stocks, art, assets, money to be donated/sold/etc. It would get even worse with round two, because there would be far less willingness to take ownership of those wealth vehicles, knowing that there may be a risk of your own head being on the chopping block. The closest would be having war criminals recant their actions, but that just takes up more space on the page, and more carpel tunnel. |
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Rothe
piefed.social
Rothe@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-25 |
Of course it is. We are humans and we're doing the valuing. You'd be stupid to not value yourself above other life.
No, that is quite a narrow view to take. |
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Rothe
piefed.social
Rothe@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-25 |
Given the choice, will I choose a human life over the life of an animal? I honestly don’t know. Than you're an insane person. What I am ultimately asking is, what do you think makes human life so special and superior to other life? I mean, do you not see reality? It's quite obvious that we're quite special compared to other animals. For once, we have invented the whole civilisation thing ... I ...
Since you begun the extremism by calling another commenter insane for their views, I will say it is an interesting view coming from somebody who is obviously hopelessly lost in the smell of their own farts. Why does our ability to create a civilisation (which largely has only been to the benefit of our species compared to all others) makes the value of a human individual worth more compared to other living beings? Your own explanation is hopelessly confused, since you are obviously trying to argue your self-admitted subjective opinion as objective fact. |
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bizarroland
lemmy.world
bizarroland@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-08 |
No, finding a death note would mean that there is an afterlife, and there's no point in spending eternity suffering, because even if you killed all the bad people alive right now, more would come along. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
I usually go with: Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. -- Gandalf when asked about killing Gollum
yeah but he stays strangely silent on sauron. |
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L0rdMathias
sh.itjust.works
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-08-15 |
The existence of the death note proves the existence of the afterlife, and as the one who found it I am clearly the predestined divine ruler of earth. Using the death note causes ones soul to be irreparably marked and when you die your soul is obliterated (iirc the Shinigami eat it but it's been a while so idk specifics end result is obliteration) My death note would be used as a tool of power. First to create the ultimate prisoner's dilemma. Simply write down the names of your accomplices, and they will be absolved of all crimes (go to heaven) while you will be given a title of nobility in the kingdom (might as well make your life worthwhile since you won't get the afterlife). I would even allow the justice system to use it as punishment. Have criminals sentenced to obliteration use it on criminals sentenced to mere death. Scientists of course would be given a copy. Since it kills the heart, what about pacemakers? There's a small delay in effect implying that it must travel at some speed, so does relatively matter and in principle could you outrun the effect? Can we draw power from soul obliteration? Can we draw power from the afterlife? Can we bridge into the afterlife and turn souls into power gems??? How does the paper know what language to use? Many tests to run, many sadistic villains with damned souls which I'll have to run them. Also since it would inevitably be used on me in some way, or I would inevitably be forced or tricked into using it, I'll just have to die knowing the memory of tyranny will persist and make it into the afterlife. |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
Certainly. Not because of grief though, revenge is not a good reason, but because many issues worldwide would be fixed with targeted assassinations and it would avoid much bloodshed (since the other option is war, civil or otherwise). Also, imagine the fear the peers of those targeted would feel, they'd think it's God's doing or something, and that might stop them from pursuing their antihuman ...
I thought God was pretty against murder. I seem to recall that you think drinking a beer fully corrupts an individual, so seeing that murder isn't a problem for you it kinda confirms my theory that you're a troll. |
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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
I thought God was pretty against murder. I seem to recall that you think drinking a beer fully corrupts an individual, so seeing that murder isn't a problem for you it kinda confirms my theory that you're a troll.
Depending on the religion god has commanded quite a fuck load of murder. |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
I thought God was pretty against murder. Depending on the religion god has commanded quite a fuck load of murder.
I'm not talking about religion contradicting itself. That's obvious. I'm talking about this troll doing so. They claim to be super religious which means they are forbidden from murdering. |
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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
You're still loved and valid Miisha. Not that I'm feeling that much better myself, but it's ridiculously easier to be kind to people than to yourself. ❤️🔥🩷🩵🤍❤️🔥 PS: this sent me down a DEEP rabbit hole of research on whether it's possible to write your own name in a death note 🧐 no conclusion as of yet
The answer is yes:
https://deathnote.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_the_Death_Note/Manga_Chapter_Rules (Chapter 5) |
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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
If I'm being completely honest, the first name I'd write would be mine. No, not accidentally.
We love you Miisha, please stick around |
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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
I'm not talking about religion contradicting itself. That's obvious. I'm talking about this troll doing so. They claim to be super religious which means they are forbidden from murdering.
Fair enough |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
You are technically correct, the best kind. I probably should phrase that as taking a life rather than murder.
No, you were quite clear. And I very much relate to your take. |
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terwn43lp
lemmy.world
toxicbubble@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
killing the top 1% wealthiest would solve like 99% of issues |
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YappyMonotheist
lemmy.world
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-26 |
I'm not talking about religion contradicting itself. That's obvious. I'm talking about this troll doing so. They claim to be super religious which means they are forbidden from murdering.
If I take a hit on Netanyahu or a random mass murdering maniac, what would the problem be? Do you think they'd be convinced to stop with pretty words? Do you think having the capacity to empower the victims to fight back against their oppressors (which is not the premise of the post even) wouldn't just create more unnecessary deaths? Or do you think passively accepting the status quo when you actually have the power to make things better is somehow the righteous option? 🤔 Think for two seconds, remembering that God is the Wise, and tell me in earnest that passivity in a world of horrors is what God would want, especially if you were given supernatural powers! |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
If I take a hit on Netanyahu or a random mass murdering maniac, what would the problem be? Do you think they'd be convinced to stop with pretty words? Do you think having the capacity to empower the victims to fight back against their oppressors (which is not the premise of the post even) wouldn't just create more unnecessary deaths? Or do you think passively accepting the status quo when you a...
It's not me you have to convince, it's the God you pretend to believe in. |
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YappyMonotheist
lemmy.world
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-26 |
It's not me you have to convince, it's the God you pretend to believe in.
I'm not trying to convince you, I'm explaining things to you, lol. And, much like at least a quarter of the world, I'm not pretending, you just don't have the capacity to understand belief in God... God willing that'll change, though. |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
I'm not trying to convince you, I'm explaining things to you, lol. And, much like at least a quarter of the world, I'm not pretending, you just don't have the capacity to understand belief in God... God willing that'll change, though.
I know the basic facts about your religion. It's pretty clear that murder is forbidden. You love to distract from inconvenient truths, but it never works. You just admitted you'd wholeheartedly commit the cardinal sin of sins. So, cool? |
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YappyMonotheist
lemmy.world
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-04-26 |
I know the basic facts about your religion. It's pretty clear that murder is forbidden. You love to distract from inconvenient truths, but it never works. You just admitted you'd wholeheartedly commit the cardinal sin of sins. So, cool?
You really know nothing, Jon Snow, and you stand by nothing either else you would've replied with what you think is right in this scenario. And you don't wanna think either. Why must you pester me, when you could just block me? If you wanna have a chat, just DM me. |
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piefed.blahaj.zone
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-03-30 |
no conclusion as of yet The answer is yes: A person can shorten his/her own life by using the note. https://deathnote.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_the_Death_Note/Manga_Chapter_Rules (Chapter 5)
I did read that, but shortening their life is different than ending it, I figure.🤔 |
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TrickDacy
lemmy.world
TrickDacy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-27 |
You really know nothing, Jon Snow, and you stand by nothing either else you would've replied with what you think is right in this scenario. And you don't wanna think either. Why must you pester me, when you could just block me? If you wanna have a chat, just DM me.
lol I won't be told by a hypocrite to turn my head. I don't owe you my opinion either, even if I thought you actually care. Which you definitely don't. |
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CombatWombat
feddit.online
CombatWombat@feddit.onlineJoined: 2025-09-09 |
I have no idea what I would do, but I know it would destroy me, either from guilt due to inaction or guilt due to action. |
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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
No. I'm against death penalty and I extend that to also apply to the people I don't like. I'm not even going to read the other responses but I'll make an educated guess that this is a minority view here.
Just out of curiosity, do you believe self defense can warrant killing? And what's your take on social murder? |
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Olgratin_Magmatoe
startrek.website
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website Joined: 2023-08-09 |
No, finding a death note would mean that there is an afterlife, and there's no point in spending eternity suffering, because even if you killed all the bad people alive right now, more would come along.
I'd say more would come along if you don't use the death note to effect long term change. Bad people become bad people usually through lack of sufficient medical care, systemic pathways that give corrupting levels of power to individuals, or poverty. Effect enough change that puts the world on the right track to solve these problems, and the amount of bad people down the line will decrease. It would definitely be a self sacrifice with the whole purgatory thing. |
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EndOfLine
lemmy.world
EndOfLine@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Not sarcastic. I do not think that human life is more valuable than other life. Will I prioritize my own life over others? Yes, because I am selfish that way. Given the choice, will I choose a human life over the life of an animal? I honestly don't know. Do you believe that human life is more valuable just because you are human and therfore believe that you are more valuable, or do you have oth...
We created civilization for ourselves. It was a selfish construct that many could argue has had a damaging impact on the world and other life on this planet. The only way I see that as evidence for human superiority over all other life is if you already believe that human life is superior, which gets us to a circular argument. |
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DonkeyStar
lemmy.world
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-07-23 |
I’d do the eye deal so that I could take out bad drivers. Just have sheets and sheets of “___ pulls over safely, parks, and turns off the car, then has a heart attack.” with a mount so that I could fill in the names as I go. |
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missingno
fedia.io
missingno@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-06-28 |
From a strict utilitarian perspective, it's easy to look at this as a trolley problem. I can easily think of a few monsters at the very top whose deaths would definitely save far more lives in exchange. But the harder question I'd struggle with is, where to stop? I can start with the most obvious targets and feel no remorse, but how long do I keep going down the list for? What would really keep me up at night is wondering what's worse: using it too much or not using it enough? |
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missingno
fedia.io
missingno@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-06-28 |
No. I'm against death penalty and I extend that to also apply to the people I don't like. I'm not even going to read the other responses but I'll make an educated guess that this is a minority view here.
I oppose the death penalty because once someone has been caught and sentenced by the justice system, killing them should not be necessary. If they're a violent threat, they can be safely imprisoned. Or if they're only dangerous because of the power they wield, strip them of that power. But the real question being asked here is about the kinds of people who seem to be above the law and may never be brought to justice through any other means, and are continuing to do active harm for as long as they are free. I would prefer to imprison them or strip them of power nonviolently, but if that's not going to happen... |
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missingno
fedia.io
missingno@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-06-28 |
The existence of the death note proves the existence of the afterlife, and as the one who found it I am clearly the predestined divine ruler of earth. Using the death note causes ones soul to be irreparably marked and when you die your soul is obliterated (iirc the Shinigami eat it but it's been a while so idk specifics end result is obliteration) My death note would be used as a tool of power....
Death Note spoilersRyuk tells Light that anyone who uses the Death Note will not go to Heaven or Hell after they die. He's technically telling the truth, but... The ending explicitly states that there is no Heaven or Hell. All humans become nothingness when they die. The Death Note user is simply no different in this regard. |
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missingno
fedia.io
missingno@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-06-28 |
No, finding a death note would mean that there is an afterlife, and there's no point in spending eternity suffering, because even if you killed all the bad people alive right now, more would come along.
Death Note spoilersThe ending explicitly states that there is no afterlife. All humans become nothingness when they die. |
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shalafi
lemmy.world
shalafi@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-22 |
killing the top 1% wealthiest would solve like 99% of issues
That's 1-in-100 people worldwide, likely including you. |
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AdolfSchmitler
lemmy.world
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
First I would rip out like 50 pages and give them to one of my closest friends to use as he sees fit. I trust him entirely. Second I would write my own name in the deathnote, that I will die a peaceful death of natural causes at 100 years old. This will prevent anyone from writing my name in a deathnote since I don't know how many others could be out there, and once someone's name is written it cannot be written again. But how would I use it? Tough question. You kill one dictator and an even worse one takes their place. There will always be wealthy people. Killing the top 1% just means there's new people who are considered the top 1%. It would have to be some type of behavioral conditioning. Where everyone in the world is aware of some kind of super natural killer, but they only kill those who cause consistent and deliberate harm to others. I guess kind of like what Light wanted to do. Except I'd ignore the police entirely. Some dude named "Lind L. Taylor" is talking shit about me on TV? Cool. Light's biggest weakness was his ego. Too easily goaded into making mistakes. I'm fully aware I would be "giving up my humanity". But instead of thinking about myself as a "God" I'd treat myself more as a "steward". Someone doing out of some kind of obligation. I have the power to affect real change in the world, I'd be remissed if I didn't at least TRY to do something. |
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insanemantis
lemmy.world
insanemantis@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-10-05 |
Killing is the morally correct thing to do in acts of self defense Billionaires, just by hoarding the wealth that they have and using it to run this system, are an everyday threat to the lives of the most vulnerable people in society They are above the law. Nothing will happen to them if I don't do something. That's who I would go for without hesitation None of that ego bullshit, no Kira nonsense. Just do what has to be done in whatever accidental or coincidental method |
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Talcosis
lemmy.zip
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-06-03 |
No. I know its probably a minority opinion, but killing people doesn't really solve anything. If anything, killing often makes things worse. Eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind type thing. |
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Fallibilist
feddit.uk
Fallibilist@feddit.uk Joined: 2026-09-15 |
Just out of curiosity, do you believe self defense can warrant killing? And what's your take on social murder?
It can be justifiable in certain cases. Defending oneself, their family or even country can make it the lesser of two bads. It's still not good in any manner and the threat needs to be acute. |
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InfiniteGlitch
lemmy.dbzer0.com
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-30 |
Yes. However, in the long run the DeathNote would make me a corrupt PoS. I genuinely believe no one should have such power (DeathNote, Geass, Makima’s Control etc). |
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L0rdMathias
sh.itjust.works
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-08-15 |
The existence of the death note proves the existence of the afterlife, and as the one who found it I am clearly the predestined divine ruler of earth. Using the death note causes ones soul to be irreparably marked and when you die your soul is obliterated (iirc the Shinigami eat it but it's been a while so idk specifics end result is obliteration) ::: spoiler Death Note spoilers Ryuk tells Ligh...
Damn. Well that's why we have a science division, their job is to figure it out. We'll just have to use some made up religion to quell the masses until they've mastered death note theory... |
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piefed.blahaj.zone
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-03-30 |
I’d do the eye deal so that I could take out bad drivers. Just have sheets and sheets of “___ pulls over safely, parks, and turns off the car, then has a heart attack.” with a mount so that I could fill in the names as I go.
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ThrowawayPermanente
sh.itjust.works
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-23 |
I feel like I would kind of have to, the potential upside is just way too big |
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Soggy
lemmy.world
Soggy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
I would 100% go mad with power. Fully convince myself that I knew what was best for humanity and try to sculpt the world through deletion. |
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piefed.blahaj.zone
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-03-30 |
yeah but he stays strangely silent on sauron.
Being a maia, Sauron cannot be killed, so Gandalf was categorically not talking about Sauron. |
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Soggy
lemmy.world
Soggy@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
It can be justifiable in certain cases. Defending oneself, their family or even country can make it the lesser of two bads. It's still not good in any manner and the threat needs to be acute.
Why? Why is an immediate, obvious threat worse than a slower, veiled one? Assuming both are equally dangerous and inevitable. |
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CromulantCrow
lemmy.zip
CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
The existence of the death note proves the existence of the afterlife, and as the one who found it I am clearly the predestined divine ruler of earth. Using the death note causes ones soul to be irreparably marked and when you die your soul is obliterated (iirc the Shinigami eat it but it's been a while so idk specifics end result is obliteration) ::: spoiler Death Note spoilers Ryuk tells Ligh...
The Buddhist idea of karma is that it is the accumulation of your cravings and choices over your lifetime(s) and isn't "you" per se. What we think of as our self ceases to exist at death, and our karma is the condition/cause for another birth. So in that view of rebirth you are defining the conditions for another life by your choices and actions, but that life isn't you. Sounds like karma could still apply in the Death Note universe. |
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MufinMcFlufin
lemmy.world
MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
That's 1-in-100 people worldwide, likely including you.
EDIT: Disregard most all of this as I got my numbers mixed up. I no longer stand by the point I was trying to make.
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
Being a maia, Sauron cannot be killed, so Gandalf was categorically not talking about Sauron.
wait! so what happened after the ring was destroyed??? Is sauron still alive! Will he kill me for not capitilizing his name!!! |
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ianhclark510
lemmy.blahaj.zone
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-06-09 |
https://youtu.be/kjrUOlK2714?is=A1Z1Yf7eUJ6NrAnI I feel compelled to leave this here |
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zoltanshields
lemmy.zip
zoltanshields@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-09-18 |
Feel like I could just get away with killing people who are like clinically brain dead and can't be allowed to die due to religious or legal reasons. I can barely be trusted with that, but I feel like that's a limit I could stick to and spend the rest of my time just making sure the book doesn't get into the wrong hands. There's still moral implications to being an angel of death and it could go wrong really easily but it feels much less tricky than deciding some dude fits my personal criteria of evil and thus deserves death. |
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Adniem
thelemmy.club
Adniem@thelemmy.club Joined: 2026-10-13 |
i wont use that death note in the first place and i would likely burn it |
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shalafi
lemmy.world
shalafi@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-07-22 |
EDIT: Disregard most all of this as I got my numbers mixed up. I no longer stand by the point I was trying to make. If they make less than $450k USD annually, then they're not in the top 1% of just the US. In order to be part of the global top 1% then they'd need even more than that, likely quite a bit more. Not to make assumptions about someone I don't know but I'd put it at about 1% odds that...
These were my numbers last time I took the test. Adding my wife's income, and my zero income, we're in the 8%. It take very little to land in the 1%. You have it exactly backwards. Compare yourself against worldwide, as I said. https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/how-rich-am-i |
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AceFuzzLord
lemmy.zip
AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-19 |
I have thought about if I had a Death Note and the one thing that I would be deeply fascinated by is if it could cause things like people suddenly having Song of Saya style meat vision. If it could do things like that, then I'd probably be a little sadistic by making a few billionaires become "cursed" as a warning from "God" to get rid of their greed by getting rid of their wealth. That's also presuming I would be also allowed to basically plant voices in their heads as well. |
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