they plan to charge you by click, too

"Indefinitely", huh? They can just rent it forever? Sounds like a missed opportunity for shareholders, I bet we can get that line even higher

Linux sever at home + sunshine for stream. MS can eat a dick.

Next: you pay for the game, pay for the time, pay per click, and now competitive losses count toward your profile free, but wins don't count unless they're validated with Xbox gems, now available in 10-packs.

Wow, I almost reflexively downvoted this post just because I hate it so much

Computers could have been so cool, instead they're all just becoming shitty slot machines.

IDK, in broadcast infrastructure it's thin clients and virtual machines all the way down, and yes it causes tons of problems.

Stopped buying their garbage years ago.

I think people are reading the headline incorrectly here. This is purely cloud streaming, if you have a PC or console you can use you should just use that.

This is no different to geforce now.

And sunlight/moonlight will only cost you your own electricity to run your computer as you stream.

F that MB BS crap.

You can thank GeForce NOW switching to an hourly limit model that ended up being successful because people are stupid.

Welcome to the future, my friends, where soon enough you will not be able to own your own at-home compute because it's too expensive, and instead you'll just have to pay hourly to use someone else's compute.

That is just the intro price. Soon with will be $5 an hour and go up from there if you want a "premium" experience.

I dont think anyone should pay a dime for this, but i also dont see what is so horrendously wrong about it, IF it was only applied to new purchases. Nothing retroactive.

Streaming takes up compute. Maybe if they charged more for the games, but they should actually charge less. But that wont happen either. Regular price for a streamed game with fee is a terrible thing.

I don't think it's going to be an overnight thing, It will start voluntarily, as the price equation shifts. the complications wasn't worth the savings when office PCs were 1500 a pop, but what about when they are 3000 a pop and projected to hit 5000 next year. After more of them make the switch... then say an announcement can happen that microsoft is lessening it's support for on prem servers and workstations, patches will be less frequent. and now it's a risk assessment as well.

Yeah, and the shit is that it is 0.24 to 0.40, not just 0.24

That wouldn't be bad value if it actually included the games.

If I bought the game, why would I be streaming it anyway?

Yeah.... no.

There's no way in Hell.

I will play Archon on my Commodore 64, fuck this noise.

If I saw what emulation and decomp/recomps are doing I would grab at any penny I saw.

In France they call it le compute

Let's say you play a game that costs 40c to stream, and it's every day for a year; it will be ~400$

Streaming to steam deck is not a bad idea, actually. It gets more battery life and you can do AAA games at 60 FPS

I would just do it from the desktop, though

Important point of clarification- this is about streaming from the cloud, using an Xbox or GPU in the cloud to play the game. This makes sense as buying the game or not, you are still using cloud resources.

Xbox Remote Play, which runs the game on your home Xbox and streams from your house to wherever you are, is free.

Go along? They'll be zealots demanding everyone get on board, just like heavily exploited console players are today.

Xbox Developers: Hell yeah! Playstation is shooting themselves in the foot. All we have to do is sit back and we'll kill it.

Xbox Business : or.... hold my beer.

This is an important note, the headline grabbed my attention but isn't entirely accurate.

They played too much Roller Coaster Tycoon where they charged an admission fee for the park and then for every single ride too.

If you refer to the article, it's price tiering. You would be consistently paying $0.24.

Yup, it'll be the Disney Fast Pass all over again.

We all know, this numbers don't look sustainable, it will shittyfi once they have your library hostage.

MS just patented ADS on gameplay....

this makes sense

No it doesn't

Well, what you say does, but running games in the cloud doesn't make sense in any logical way except for that that the owner of said cloud will be walking to the bank laughing his ass off

Oh I agree paying to rent a cloud xbox when you have one sitting at home is fucking stupid. A lot of cloud everything is fucking stupid, and I say that as an IT person who's been fighting cloud-itis since the term 'cloud computing' became a thing.

Idk, I think you're immediately jumping to the conclusions of "they're trying to make us all rent everything", which, while most likely isn't wrong, is also obscuring some potential for "Hey look, I can play less-response-time-intensive xbox games on my fricking phone with good wifi, because of amazing compression technology"

Indefinitely just means unspecified. Could be 3000 years, could be 15 minutes; it implies "until further notice" depending on the whims of the noticer. See "suspended indefinitely" in crime drama shows, where they're back on payroll by the end of the episode

Microsoft wants to charge for providing a service? That seems completely fair. Streaming a game isn't free for them.

>laughs in piracy

Stadia didn't charge to stream, though I suppose if it still existed it probably would by now.

Fuck everything about that. Fuck that to hell and back again not a hobbits tale.

Oh fack off

Ya at current memory and server gpu prices it wouldn't surprise me at all if they aren't even making any money at 40c/hr.

IDK, maybe they could put games on some kind of physical media so that users could have the game and not need live service? Like some kind of optical disc? They could charge for add-on DLC, like they used to. Software could be downloaded and stored locally…once. y’know, without being streamed?

And gamers could rent servers. Like they used to. And that could be an income stream for a company.

I'm not upgrading anytime soon with current RAM/storage prices, which means I'm stuck on 16GB of RAM for now. But eventually that won't be enough. For somebody who doesn't already have a halfway decent computer and doesn't have a ton of time to game, I can see this being a much better deal than owning your own computer (provided your internet latency and bufferbloat are good enough). For the amount of time I actually use my computer for gaming I know it would be.

Fuck Microsoft

Only 50 center per hour, you say? I mean it's only 75 cents, that won't even buy a soda anymore. Who wouldn't pay a dollar an hour to play the games they love?

I wonder if XBox realizes that their player base isn't locked into their ecosystem...

And they are certainly far from the only option.

the most shocking thing about stadia is that they released the means to de-fuck the stadia controller so it could be used as a normal pc controller

there was something the other day about microsoft having warehouses of GPUs for datacenters that arent even built yet.

They could probably take 1% of those to cover it without any additional costs for them.

I was one of the people who was actually happy with stadia (although my ping was 5ms with symmetrical gigabit actually hitting the numbers at the time) the controller support was fantastic and it cost $15 a month including some games.

I'm not arguing that Microsoft is some saint or that they've done nothing wrong. This just seems like a dumb reason to get mad at them. If you buy a digital game from Microsoft and have an internet connection solid enough to stream the game, you likely have the bandwidth to download the game.

You can still buy Xbox games on disc (I sometimes buy discount games used that I missed the first time around). And I read recently that signs are pointing to the next Xbox also having a disc drive for games.

I'm with you on private/rented servers for sure. I still remember all the hoopla about support for dedicated/private servers vanishing the first time around.