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The lemmy.ml admins couldn't handle someone pointing that any conversation about Palestine should be centered around the Palestinian victims undergoing a literal genocide and not on Judaism, because in the present day Jews are just privileged white people who aren't facing any systemic oppression but are even systemically privileged.

An instance pretending to give a voice for the the Global South in the end just censors non-Eurocentric opinions to the point of censoring for genocide.

Apparently they didn't instantly delete the comment after banning me but did so hours afterwards, probably because others agreed with me.

You're better off just blocking the lemmy triad. Your mental health will thank you.

It looks like everyone blew it. “Zionism is not Judaism” is a valid point because they are completely separate things. “Zionism is racism” is also true and valid. If everyone is in agreement that zionism can get fucked, then disparaging one true thing to focus solely on another is damaging instead of constructive.

Now that I have your attention, here's what actual real Palestinians have to say instead of Western people put on a pedestal:

The Antisemitism Nobody Wants to Explain

Every Palestinian who attempts to accurately describe their experience — an experience of stolen homes, imprisoned and tortured family members, and besieged cities — is forced to make a very important decision: Do they name who did it?

If Palestinians acknowledge the Jewishness of the colonial project that announces itself, in its flags, its holidays, its army, and its international institutions, not simply as Jewish, but as the highest form of Jewishness, or dare mention the Magen Davids spray painted onto their homes and carved into their land and skin, or mention that it was an orthodox Rabbi who called for their murders, they are inundated with zionist accusations that they hate Jews and that they are antisemitic — the two made synonymous. Suddenly the conversation shifts away from engagement with their experiences and becomes a sham trial to determine their intent, built on the philosemitic premise that to resent their oppressors would render them an unreliable narrator who either deserved the violence against them or, at the very least, is someone who is not worth protecting. Palestinians know they will be expected to answer for, to apologize for, millennia of anti-Jewish persecution that they had no part in and will be expected to disavow and condemn not just antisemitism, but all of Palestine’s anti-colonial political history.

Knowing this, many anti-zionists, including Palestinians, have engaged in a form of idealistic self-censorship in which they rhetorically center combating antisemitism within their anti-zionism, tie the safety of Jews and Palestinians together, and preemptively assert that Palestinians do not hate Jews and therefore are not antisemitic. Meanwhile, the Jewish zionist state bulldozes more Palestinian homes, destroys more Palestinian cities, and kills more Palestinians.

This essay seeks to directly confront the reality that no one wants to engage with, one that some people either ignore or attempt to sanitize, that others trot out as if it’s proof that zionism is the answer: It is entirely reasonable that Palestinians may hold animosity toward Jews. But this is not antisemitism.

It seems quite obvious that oppressed people would hate their oppressor. In fact, it seems silly to even debate this point. For anyone who has a meaningful understanding of Palestinians’ history or present, the idea that Palestinian hostility toward Jews, including outright hatred, is antisemitism — or that antisemitism everywhere, across history, is the same — is obviously wrong. But beyond being wrong, the question of whether it is antisemitism is totally irrelevant. It is asserted specifically as a tool for the advancement of zionism.

Oh nice, tankie infighting! 🍿

Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing but it's not relevant for Palestinians and the conversation shouldn't be focused around it. The reason the Zionism is Racism motion was so impactful is because it shifted the debate of what Zionism isn't into the debate of what Zionism is.

I'm punching far to the right here mate. This is Labour vs Corbyn tier stuff.

What’s the three? I’ve blocked some furry ones and .ml.

I mean, Zionism is the advocacy of an ethnostate, so yes obviously it’s racism? It’s asserting (a very particular flavor of) Jewish supremacy, specifically with the intent of eliminating Palestinians.

The comment itself might be seen as splitting hairs but to ban over that is silly. This is ML though, and getting into the weeds over words turns into a massive spiral in leftist spaces as it is. Even more so in small comms (Lemmy is small), so it’s not surprising that the mod went so overboard. PTB

Oh the irony. I truly believe you have them all blocked. Because this is not their main account. Their main account was @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml . But this is a good lesson on the problems of the state. It will persecute you for random capricious and vindictive reasons whether or not you are right or wrong. Especially the more micromanaged and centralized it is run. It becomes the leadership classes personal fiefdom.

Hexbear and lemmygrad are the other two, but I hardly hear about them anymore which makes me wonder if they've just been almost universally defederated to irrelevance.

.ml gets more of a pass being the home base of the Lemmy devs

I am reminded of this sign.

Edit: That's funny, I just followed the link to the post and it's about this very sign. Derp.

Zionism is a Jewish supremacy ideology, isn't it? They want a Jewish ethnostate, which definitionally is bigotry.

As Finklestein says, "how can you have a Jewish state that isn't a Jewish supremacist state?"

Israel shoves its Jewishness in the face of Palestinians as part of the genocide, yes. They march in the name of Jewish supremacy. I can’t imagine not feeling resentment towards that on top of the horrific nightmare they’re already subject to.

Sane Jewish folks are already on the side of Palestine and this isn’t a conversation to begin with in most level-headed discussions. It’s understandable to make a quick disclaimer when introducing oneself, but I’ve never personally experienced it go beyond that irl.

I’d chalk it up to terminally online people being terminally online. Doesn’t make it right but hopefully adds some perspective to a stressful situation

For any governing state that heavily wields centralized authority and power. Left and right are at their convenience. This is a clear example of ptb. But also a day ending in y when it comes to .ml.

This community's instance isn't perfect. To be clear none of them are. But you might find it a much better place to be. It is much less micromanaged than ML.

AI slop, sadly

I don't think hexbearer was ever widely federated. There was a time lemmygrad tried. But despite being run by many of the same people as Lemmy.ml. it wasn't the official Flagship server. So, many people had no issue with blocking it early and often.

Yeah, .ml has deliberately unclear rules, allowing mods to ban anyone who disagrees with them for vague reasons, or no reason at all. Anyone disrupting the echo chamber is liable for a banhammerin'.

It is pretty funny how they can't even run an online community without censorship and bans, though!

Do you know who this OP is? They were one of the biggest names out of .ml and personified every boogeyman people have about them: constantly argumentative, never responded to what anyone else actually said, forced their ideology down everyone's throats, constantly misrepresented situations and articles to their own ends. They will argue anything extreme just to goad people like at one point they supported rape as a viable and justified act at one point provided it's against the right people.

They go banned from their favourite instance and are mad about it. I mean, c'mon, are we really going to gloss over where they want the Daily Mail taken as a valid and reliable source just because the article has a link to something else, as if it's not possible to editorialize information and the Daily Mail doesn't have a long and proven track record of doing just that?

Even below, they aren't posting that Daily Mail article they posted and got banned over, or tried to justify in the OP. It's another, more agreeable, article entirely.

We are coming full circle now

I wouldn't say this is much different on other instances. Instead they write a trillion arbitrary rules, which they may or may not follow depending on how they feel that day.

Your entire message is adhominems and then you admit that there is nothing wrong with the daily mail article. Most of the times people complain about me it's the .ml admins removing their comments or banning them on my communities, but anyone who did get banned by me absolutely deserved it.

OP is very politically aligned with the "triad". Speaking of which though i still think y'all should have called it the tankie troika, i mean its so obvious.

Could just be a shopped blank sign.

Which are your triad?

I'm convinced Geneva convenience wants to conflate the two and uses the Palestinians as a way of saying "see? Their lived experience and justified hatred means I can be a reactionary".

Just start posting protocols of the elders of zion, geneva.

Just because it's AI, it doesn't follow that it's slop. It's a good sign and I expect to see it at future protests.

It definitely is a good sign - I'm not gonna argue with that. However, I'm very anti generative AI regardless of which context it's used for. Might just as well have been a job for a Photoshop-equivalent, and it would have had the same effect without supporting an AI company.

hey #1 bad empanada defender caught a 3 day ban and he deserved more.

throwback to him getting banned from hexbear while calling people 'transzionists' for shittalking bad empanada

part of a pattern of behavior at this point. BE uses palestine as a reason to attack all trans people, 'trolling' and people like OP defend it tooth and nail

here's another example + modlog1 + modlog2

it's actually incredibly pathetic to get all your information and positions from one streamer and the fact that you think anyone you're arguing with fucking cares about breadtube speaks volumes about you.

should have been perm banned a while ago.

lemmy.ml, hexbear.net, and lemmygrad.ml I'd assume.

Ad hominems are for counterarguments, not isolated descriptions of one's character.

Hexbear is widely defederated, you'll find it on the blocklist of many big instances. Much of it is from years ago, back when reddit made their API changes and there was a large amount of activity in the lemmy fediverse along with a bug where their emojis were being rendered HUGE for everyone else, and their culture of the time of posting scandalous pictures and emojis were basically being shouted at everyone. Since then, just a lot of bad behaviour from users that got further blocks (like from lemmy.ca).

I don't ever remember the Emoji thing. I remember grad posting almost exclusively in oversized image macros. But yeah that's been years ago.

Not .world? That’s like all USA Feds lol

you wouldn't because .world defederated from hexbear before anything was ever federated.

they have some great ones

We might be talking about the same thing really, it was years ago, but basically the constant big pictures were very disruptive.

Look who's here to once again derail a conversation about Palestinians being genocided with their own identity politics and culture war. This thread isn't about the Graham Platner fanclub on Hexbear.

You've got to be next level Eurocentric racist and Nazi tier white supremacist to do this, but I guess you are just wholly unable to do any self-reflection.

I really don't. I did at first because that was easiest, but I've since experienced some nuance, and instead block users themselves as needed.

the subject of the post is you being banned and i'm speaking to your character and history of behavior.

you are the one using people genocided as the excuse for and to deflect criticisms of your dogshit behavior.

nobody on fucking hexbear liked graham platner and you are incapable of engaging in anything beyond youtuber slop

That is a good one.

I don't. I recognize a few names here and there, but I really just come here to doom scroll and post the odd cat pic. I don't get hung up on usernames, suspected alts, etc. I mostly try to stay out of drama unless I'm feeling a bit spicy that day and need an outlet.

Blocked select world communities only to force me to remember that there are better alternatives. Like I try not to post to world's cats anymore, and instead post to cats@shitjustworks. World is too big and reminds of Reddit. Also lol for not being able to talk about piracy.

.world has its own issues, but people usually talk about the tankie triad, referring to the three instances I mentioned.

Everyone does things their own way. But yeah for myself I keep my block list empty generally. Only ever used it sparingly and temporarily. Because whether you happen to find yourself in an echo chamber, or you build one around yourself. It's still an echo chamber just the same.

No the subject of the post is clear and you are changing it. Stop lying your main community is ChapoTrapHouse who glazed Platner.

But of course you only have shade for people who advocate for Palestine. Mass murdering brown people and raping women is fine after all but remember that one edgy tweet BE made? You must keep bringing that up for multiple years!

Disrupt all anti genocide advocacy and demonize allies during the genocide, even if they are doing great work because they aren't perfectly in tune with you!

I can't wait for you to tell me about Hamas' opinions on LGBT! https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing

you are not 'all anti genocide advocacy', you are one person on the internet who is primarily obsessed with defending your favorite youtuber.

you are also not doing 'great work' by any measurement.

this post is about you, i'm just discussing your behavior.

your main community is ChapoTrapHouse who glazed Platner

i'm not hexbear, i don't even moderate that comm. i am subscribed to it because it's their 'main' comm.

they were rightfully roasting CTH for giving that guy any oxygen, the podcast that the comm is named after is more often the butt of the joke than anything taken seriously in my experience.

incredible self-description at play, i never said this is about me, i'm just witnessing pure undiluted projection:

Your sheer arrogance and hypocrisy is off the charts . Not to mention the amount of racism needed to make a genocide about yourself.

YDI. OP regularly posts sketchy article about "jews", conflates judaism with zionism, etc. It's a pattern.

Otherwise I like OP's posts so the bad jewish stuff sticks out.

It even keeps going in the comments!

I never thought the party that I supported having unimpeachable power would turn on ME

Oh their main community is named after people who glaze mass murder and serial rape. Well I guess that's fine then. But remember that one edgy tweet Bad Empanada made once? Bad Empanara isn't even mentioned in the post. But you did imagine him into there. Great job!

Sure mate. You are actually the primary advocate for Palestine. You are the one doing great work by speech policing the movement. on un related issues and trying to deplatform anyone in the movement who makes a comment which doesn't align with YOU. That is what pinkwashing is all about after all.

Your sheer arrogance and hypocrisy is off the charts . Not to mention the amount of racism needed to make a genocide about yourself. But your username does check out.

Even generic Liberals like Owen Jones admit that what I'm saying is completely correct. Here even relevant to the post:

Zeteo - Debunked! The Antisemitism in UK Schools Report Is Based on BS Numbers

There is no "bad Jewish" stuff but you are hellbent on calling anyone who challenges the notion that Jews are actively being oppressed in 2026 an "antisemite".

Meanwhile Zionists are using this fake victim card to push their Zionist policies through and brainwash UK school children with the IHRA antisemitism definition which bans criticism of Israel as "antisemitism". And that's not some cooky conspiracy that is literally what has happened this past week.