What good is complaining amongst a communist org, if your democracy and elections a rlcapitalist?

Hey commies, you say I'm misinformed, but have you considered "Nuh uh".

Two kinds of people in the comments: those who think credit scores are bad, and those who think social credit systems are good

Noone actually forces you to live in debt. It should be last resort, but people in US finance everything

"No investigation, no right to speak"

"liberal" denotes adherence to bourgeois democracy and capitalist property relations, (pro bourgeois democracy and private property)

The critique of certain "anarchists" is that they guise reactionary politics in radical language, which aids capitalism.

First, let's be precise about terms: capitalism is defined by private ownership of the means of production, profit-driven accumulation, and wage labor; socialism is defined by social ownership (state, collective, or cooperative), planning mechanisms, and the subordination of remaining market forces to developmental and social goals. They are distinct modes of production, not a binary where anything short of stateless communism "counts" as capitalism.

Second, "Western capitalism" isn't a universal default, it specifically describes the Euro-Amerikan core and its integrated vassals (NATO, Five Eyes, dependent economies). That system is hegemonic, but it is not total. Russia, for instance, operates a distinct sovereign-capitalist model: not socialist, but explicitly de-linked from Western financial architecture and actively contesting unipolar dominance.

Third, China, Cuba, Laos, and Vietnam are explicitly in the early stages of the socialist transitionary period. Their frameworks (especially China's "primary stage of socialism") theorize that underdeveloped socialist states must develop productive forces, utilize regulated markets, and engage globally while maintaining proletarian state power and public ownership of commanding heights. This isn't "capitalism with red flags"; it's a materialist strategy to build the basis for higher-stage socialism. Dismissing these distinctions because communism hasn't been "achieved" yet misunderstands dialectics: transition is a process, not an event. You don't call a bridge under construction meaningless because it has yet to reach the other side.

Go back to 4chan obergruppenfuhrer. Or provide some evidence/analysis but I doubt you have that capability.

Profoundly wrong statement.

First because that's not how Marxist-Leninists use the word 'liberal', that's a definition you just made up while ignoring decades of literature. Second, because it implies that is not what the word actually means to literally everyone, not just Leninists or even just socialists, everywhere on the planet with the exception of the US liberal duopoly.

Third, because it mistakenly assumes people are calling you a liberal because of your instance, and not because of your shit takes.

So not accepting exaggerated narratives means China is a utopia? Why do people rarely offer ordinary, policy-level criticism? There is plenty of it, but discussion often defaults to cartoonish claims instead of routine institutional analysis.

Where is the discussion of the hukou household registration system and its trade-offs?

Where is the discussion of local government reliance on land-use financing?

Where is the discussion of provincial policy experimentation and uneven implementation?

Where is the discussion of state-owned enterprises and their structural advantages and drawbacks?

Where is the discussion of demographic policy after the one-child era?

Where is the discussion of regional inequality between coastal and interior provinces?

Where is the discussion of the property sector’s role in household wealth and local budgets?

Where is the discussion of debt accumulation among provincial financing vehicles?

Where is the discussion of administrative campaign-style governance and its policy side effects?

Where is the discussion of bureaucratic incentives within the cadre evaluation system?

Where is the discussion of industrial policy prioritization and capital allocation?

Where is the discussion of urban planning constraints produced by internal migration controls?

Where is the discussion of education access differences tied to household registration?

Where is the discussion of long-term pension sustainability in an aging population?

I know where they are, in China because none of you know enough about China to have a proper discussion on any of these. All you know is spouting ridiculous talking points.

Noone actually forces you to live in debt

Oh damn I didn't know they made housing and healthcare free, that's dope as fuck

No you don't understand you can just become homeless and then let yourself die of preventable causes.

No you don't understand you can just become homeless

Isn't that illegal in the US

I wouldn't be surprised but I am neither amerikkkan nor have I looked into that.

Come on like half of car sales in US are financed.

You know that Healthcare and housing is the last resort I'm talking about - where you have no other option.

Only if you insist on sleeping.

The ML usage of the term liberal comes from Classical Liberalism, right? Please correct me.

Also I hate how y'all think I'm personally evil because I haven't Read Theory. Y'all are my first exposure to MLs and I don't have any control over what my society has taught me. (I'm not defending what my society has taught me, I've been deconstructing for a long time and not stopping.)

Is naivete a sin?

I'll stand corrected on the anarchist comment. But if one lives in a capitalist country, one inevitably supports capitalism, right? Even if it's against their will.

This sounds more and more like Original Sin.

Interesting phrasing. A phrasing that assumes assumptions on my part. So ... what social credit system DOES exist.

Is naivete a sin?

No investigation no right to speak is a core part of MarxistLeninist thought as it has evolved. Naivete is not "a sin" but if you haven't researched a topic you shouldn't speak on it.

As Chairman Mao put it:

Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?

It won't do!

It won't do!

You must investigate!

You must not talk nonsense!

Bullshit. Used car market exists since the invention of a car. If you need a vehicle that will drive your ass from point A to the point B you absolutely have no need to buy a brand new one.

My previous comment on it. Mostly there is no "score" it's a binary list of businesses and business people (some individuals may end up on the list if they lose a defemation suit for example) who owe debts/damages and refuse to pay. It's not automatic, it's not affected by your day to day life and you are put on the list only after a court hearing

I love my country,

Not even sure how to respond to this kind of vague emotional ideology. When people say this kinda stuff to me in person, I back away slowly.

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Is it? You need to think more pragmatically, you are a laborer. Your only bargaining chip is your labour, decide who gets it. Personally, I don't want to be part of any helping them live their best life.

Your main source is ASPI, a far right war-hawk australian defense industry think tank.

but people in US finance everything

Damn I wonder why they do that. Must have nothing to do poverty. /s

The Chinese credit system is western propaganda there is nothing like it as described in western media.

And your source is mintpressnews.

Also it's not my main source. You just cherry picked one. Ok sure mybad on that, lets diregard that one.
What about CIS, DHS, and NCSC?

Also BBC. Let's also add wikipedia [1] [2] because why not.

And do we want to talk about censorship? Sounds like something an authoritarian regime does.

Thanks for your post, your explanations are appreciated!

Don't answer if annoying, sorry for rudeness, but do Chinese high-level officials openly live lavishly and flaunt their wealth like US leadership?

How will compulsive voting improve anything? Now you're dragging even more uninformed dopes to vote, a lot of them will vote for spite. Far more than you realize, I think

Trump was 100% the vote-for-spite-burn-it-down candidate. That's how they get you, the old switcheroo

Please stop financing and enabling the USA, also, and stop using the US dollar for international trade. So lame that you haven't done that

Now you’re dragging even more uninformed dopes to vote, a lot of them will vote for spite.

uninformed defines almost all american voters and the last election showed that 30 million people who voted in 2020, chose not to vote in 2024 instead of spite voting.

I want America to prosper and I want to protect American values from right-wing radicals that are in charge. I'm very passionate about it. In fact, I live in a red state and I want it to just be better and no longer radicalized by lies and hate.

I very passionately want America to heal from this illness of hate and apathy.

If that makes me a bad person, then fuck me I guess.

I just cannot understand why somebody living in a colonial country can truly say they love their country unless they're brainwashed or completely ignorant to its history.

I'm from Canada and we are not better, there's just not as much of an issue of rampant nationalism disguised as "patriotism". Our countries were built on the graves of the native inhabitants, by the hands of slaves. At no point in the history did they stop abusing natives and the descendants of slaves, they just found new ways to hide it and new names to call it (how does a prison make a profit, anyway?).

I love and am proud of my community, but that is the extent to which my pride reaches. I cannot feel proud of a country that was built on the blood of the innocent.

nowadays it's more accurately the same statement for both

people are praising the supreme leader in america

China IS authoritarian.

I'm not a liberal, I'm a libertarian socialist/communist.

That's not what "whataboutism" is. This isn't a structured debate where we are limited to one topic, it's a conversation... and we're allowed to use examples and compare like to like, you do it, I do it, every human on Earth does it every day.

Sure, you're allowed to call this and everything else 'whataboutism', I don't think you should be given a "whataboutism score" wherein those with the highest scores are avoided by reasonable people.

I await your charge of gaslighting eagerly

The only ones celebrating credit scores as a concept are lenders, the true capitalists