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Corvidae lemmy.world Corvidae@lemmy.world
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) has earned praise for her response to a question on trans rights during a town hall hosted by the progressive campus group More Perfect University.

At the organization’s Students vs. Billionaires town hall in Maine on Thursday, a trans student from the University of Southern Maine asked for Ocasio-Cortez’s response to the fact that “a lot of trans people in America feel that we have been abandoned by the Democratic Party, that we are a losing issue, that it’s not worth defending us.”

The woman was referring to the fact that many trans advocates feel some Democrats have missed the mark on trans issues, or in some cases have actively made decisions that hurt the trans community in an attempt to defend themselves against Republican attacks. Since the 2024 election, Democrats have disagreed on the effect of the GOP’s anti-trans ads, with some suggesting the need to throw trans people under the bus in order to win future elections.

Without hesitation, Ocasio-Cortez responded, “They’re wrong.”

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Mouselemming sh.itjust.works Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
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..."The focus is strategic… It’s not just about trans girls in sports; it’s about all girls in education,” she said, emphasizing that it’s about attacking Title IX and trying “to get everyone on board with supporting defunding their own civil rights.”

She explained that Title IX is also the mechanism through which women report campus assaults and that while the Trump administration is distracting everyone with anti-trans fearmongering, it “quietly defunded the civil rights division of enforcement in the administration on Title IX.”

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Madzielle lemmy.dbzer0.com Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#3 · (edited) Quote Reply

Every day more nazi things are happening. everyday.

I feel like im going insane. 20 years ago, if you said "the Tvs and phones are all listening to us" youd be thrown in the grippy sock hotel. But today, it is truth, and each day, our low trust society grows.

I cant even leave the house without eyeing some people up wondering if theyre a fucking nazi or not. I cant trust a man who dont have a beard. I see young, clean shaven, buzz cut men with crosses around thier neck.. and I just, worry. Yesterday I saw a latino man with that nazi looking eagle on his sweater.

Im glad for sane, smart voices. But, its so real out here. I live by a small airport, and the back hawks and shinooks normally run drills 3 days outta a month. Theyve been running drills everyday, all day, for over a week now. I feel paranoid. Just saw an article they fired a woman for supporting trans healthcare in the military :(

Im just a dumb dumb, but this is seriously some frog boiling in the pot of water shit. It is so terrifying to see.

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themeatbridge lemmy.world themeatbridge@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-28
#4 · Quote Reply

It's never the wrong time to do the right thing. Fighting a "losing issue" is exactly how you persuade people you're right about the issue. That's called "leadership".

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Waterpumpee lemmus.org Waterpumpee@lemmus.org
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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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Who's shoving preferences in anyone's face??? Do you know anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Are they shoving things in your face?

Also, communal showers/changing areas have been weird the entire time they've existed, and that's the ONLY way you'd even know what someone has under their clothes.

ALSO, WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF OTHER PEOPLES BODIES?

"Common sense" is a dog whistle. People are complicated. Depending on who you talk to, you'll find things that people consider "common sense" that are only common to their local area...

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LillyPip lemmy.ca LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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#7 · Quote Reply

I’d have said ‘get fucked’, but ‘they’re wrong’ is good, too.

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Mulligrubs lemmy.world Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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#8 · (edited) Quote Reply

Democrats have disagreed on the effect of the GOP’s anti-trans ads

What's the disagreement? He won the election, that was their ad campaign. Trump catered to his base to get the vote out, it's all pretty straightforward to me.

I don't think Trump personally cares, he just took the "easy mode" option for him that won't cost him any donors or voters.

Some Ds will use this issue to their benefit, some will distance themselves. it all depends on what their "market" is. If polling says drop _____________ to win, they will, ______________ being any issue. Trans is a popular issue in say New York City, not so much in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.

Democrats will drop trans if their donors say so, just like they abandoned labor. bOtH pArTiEs do what their "donors" want, they don't have any actual bedrock issues other than "money".

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Zombiepirate lemmy.world Zombiepirate@lemmy.world
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Isn't it funny how reactionaries always target minorities and then act like it's the fault of the people who stand up to their persecution?

Not "ha ha" funny, more like "the rotten smell behind the dumpster" funny.

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real_squids sopuli.xyz real_squids@sopuli.xyz
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Who's shoving preferences in anyone's face??? Do you know anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Are they shoving things in your face? Also, communal showers/changing areas have been weird the entire time they've existed, and that's the ONLY way you'd even know what someone has under their clothes. ALSO, WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF OTHER PEOPLES BODIES? "Common sense" is a dog whistle. People are complicate...

Actual common sense is minding your own business. Bet 10 bucks this asshole doesn't even watch women's sports lol, they never do.

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mika june [she|her] piefed.blahaj.zone crowcore_explorer@piefed.blahaj.zone
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#11 · Quote Reply

..."The focus is strategic… It’s not just about trans girls in sports; it’s about all girls in education,” she said, emphasizing that it’s about attacking Title IX and trying “to get everyone on board with supporting defunding their own civil rights.” She explained that Title IX is also the mechanism through which women report campus assaults and that while the Trump administration is distracti...

yep, exactly. they say they're protecting women as a screen to harm women.

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NekoKoneko lemmy.world NekoKoneko@lemmy.world
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#12 · Quote Reply

Every day more nazi things are happening. everyday. I feel like im going insane. 20 years ago, if you said "the Tvs and phones are all listening to us" youd be thrown in the grippy sock hotel. But today, it is truth, and each day, our low trust society grows. I cant even leave the house without eyeing some people up wondering if theyre a fucking nazi or not. I cant trust a man who dont have a b...

I know how you feel and it's not wrong to be worried - stay safe out there. But I would be careful reading too much into that appearance. Beards to me indicate more often right-wing men, but in truth, it's just a bad heuristic. It's hard to tell for most people and being suspicious of too many in the gray area is just tiring.

Anyway, all us sane people are all in this together, remind yourself that we'll eventually reach bottom. Nothing lasts forever, including the bad times. And if you're in the US, please vote.

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BertramDitore lemmy.zip BertramDitore@lemmy.zip
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#13 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's never the wrong time to do the right thing. Fighting a "losing issue" is exactly how you persuade people you're right about the issue. That's called "leadership".

This is exactly it. It’s what politics is supposed to be about. AOC gets it. For clear moral issues like this, you can’t back down.

It’s a big reason why Democrats are so weak. Most, especially those in leadership, have given up trying to persuade people by doing the right thing. We need to persuade especially on issues that are inspiring violence and hate on the other side. Taking the other side’s stance, particularly when it’s so clearly on the wrong side of morality/history/humanity, never made sense as a strategy to me. It’s disgusting.

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Talcosis lemmy.zip impairedimperator@lemmy.zip
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#14 · Quote Reply

Every day more nazi things are happening. everyday. I feel like im going insane. 20 years ago, if you said "the Tvs and phones are all listening to us" youd be thrown in the grippy sock hotel. But today, it is truth, and each day, our low trust society grows. I cant even leave the house without eyeing some people up wondering if theyre a fucking nazi or not. I cant trust a man who dont have a b...

The other day I stopped at a coffee shop I rarely go to and was accused of being a cop. That was kinda funny.

Though, in retrospect, I do happen to look like I stepped off a nazi propaganda poster, and instead of spending money on sunglasses I just wear the UV safety goggles my lab buys by the crate, which look kinda similar to the wraparound Oakleys that populate...specific....profile pictures.

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bobjones1665 lemmy.world bobjones1665@lemmy.world
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Every day more nazi things are happening. everyday. I feel like im going insane. 20 years ago, if you said "the Tvs and phones are all listening to us" youd be thrown in the grippy sock hotel. But today, it is truth, and each day, our low trust society grows. I cant even leave the house without eyeing some people up wondering if theyre a fucking nazi or not. I cant trust a man who dont have a b...

Now imagine if you were black and were seeing this.

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mika june [she|her] piefed.blahaj.zone crowcore_explorer@piefed.blahaj.zone
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#16 · Quote Reply

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the right of some people to exist in society isn't an important stance?! the size of the community determines its worth?! lots of dog whistles packed into this comment.

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WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them] reddthat.com WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com
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#17 · (edited) Quote Reply

Democrats have disagreed on the effect of the GOP’s anti-trans ads What's the disagreement? He won the election, that was their ad campaign. Trump catered to his base to get the vote out, it's all pretty straightforward to me. I don't think Trump personally cares, he just took the "easy mode" option for him that won't cost him any donors or voters. Some Ds will use this issue to their benefit, ...

Democrats at the top-level did drop the trans issue and they lost the 2024 election.

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Burn_The_Right lemmy.today Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today
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#18 · Quote Reply

Not the two words I was thinking of, but I'll take it.

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ArbitraryValue sh.itjust.works ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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#19 · Quote Reply

I suspect that the majority of voters would prefer a policy of tolerance over the Republican party's performative cruelty, but "we should treat these harmless eccentrics with basic human dignity" is one thing while transgender participation in sports or permanent procedures done on children are another.

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"common sense" is an extremely weak appeal. Many things that are today are considered unacceptable were considered "common sense" by many people for many years. Racism, patriarchy, absolute monarchy...

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Triumph fedia.io Triumph@fedia.io
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Every day more nazi things are happening. everyday. I feel like im going insane. 20 years ago, if you said "the Tvs and phones are all listening to us" youd be thrown in the grippy sock hotel. But today, it is truth, and each day, our low trust society grows. I cant even leave the house without eyeing some people up wondering if theyre a fucking nazi or not. I cant trust a man who dont have a b...

For what it's worth, I appear every bit the stereotype of dumb old conservative. I can lean into it even harder if necessary. I am fully prepared to use this ability to thwart fascism. I'm also a firearm owner, and I know I'm going to have to make some difficult choices in the near future.

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🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞 lemmy.world daychilde@lemmy.world
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#22 · Quote Reply

This is exactly it. It’s what politics is supposed to be about. AOC gets it. For clear moral issues like this, you can’t back down. It’s a big reason why Democrats are so weak. Most, especially those in leadership, have given up trying to persuade people by doing the right thing. We need to persuade especially on issues that are inspiring violence and hate on the other side. Taking the other si...

I constantly rail against the "Both sides" thing because, well, both side are NOT the same. Even establishment Dems are radically different than Republicans.

However.

I am also firmly of the opinion that establishment Dems are corrupted and taking money from our oligarchs, and that they try to use things like "but we have to compromise and not scare off the centrists" as a smokescreen for their corruption.

The fact of the matter is that we are largely fucked. That we have any hope at all from folks like AOC and other true progressives seems on a slight upswing since Trump and the fascists have mangled things so visibly in the last couple of years, but midterms always swing the other way, so I'm scared that this is another temporary swingback and come 2028, we'll be fucked again.

But maybe those associated with the DSA and those like AOC and Mamdani are finding ways of breaking through some of the fascist propaganda. I sure hope so, because the only other way out will cost lots of blood and isn't a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination.

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Malica lemmy.zip Malica@lemmy.zip
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#23 · Quote Reply

Defending attack ads in general is a losing strategy. Focus on the issues and ignore attacks, more people are likely to listen to what you have to say that way. As for trans issues, it's not a good look to bully suicidal kids for political clout.

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🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞 lemmy.world daychilde@lemmy.world
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#24 · Quote Reply

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I don't need your shitty bigotry shoved in my face. Reported for transphobia. Hope you end up with a ban.

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#25 · Quote Reply

That's three words.

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minorkeys sh.itjust.works minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
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#26 · Quote Reply

Who else are they going to support though? Two parties have a stranglehold. Your options are between not good enough, horrible, and not participating at all. Not preventing Republicans also disempowers your voice in regard to all other issues and means revoking support for everyone elses issues. So why would those people keep supporting yours as much?

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madcaesar lemmy.world madcaesar@lemmy.world
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#27 · Quote Reply

If you guys are shocked these Republican morons fall for this shit, look at this https://youtu.be/MrehpxfLNrg

These people are literarily brain dead it's genuinely insane how stupid they are.

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rowinxavier lemmy.world rowinxavier@lemmy.world
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#28 · Quote Reply

I think a reasonable argument for people to use is that they care about trans rights at this point in time because they are under threat, but what they actually care about is everybody's human rights. Start from empathy, respect, and dignity, then look for what supports that.

People shouldn't need to grovel for medical care, they should be able to access it. People shouldn't have to jump through hoops for gender affirming care, cis men with erectile dysfunction should be able to access medical support. People shouldn't have to prove their mental health is impacted to modify their body, women should be able to get whatever tattoos or piercings they like. It doesn't matter who you are, you should be able to access reasonable levels of care and support from the society you are a part of.

Right now trans people are the most under threat, but at some point that will be a historical fact and a different group will the current target, at which point they become the focus of defence and support. Ideally being trans would be like getting tattoos, something that is your business, nobody else's, and something people feel impolite for asking too much about.

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SwingingTheLamp piefed.zip SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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#29 · Quote Reply

Who else are they going to support though? Two parties have a stranglehold. Your options are between not good enough, horrible, and not participating at all. Not preventing Republicans also disempowers your voice in regard to all other issues and means revoking support for everyone elses issues. So why would those people keep supporting yours as much?

So where does it end? If you compromise on somebody's rights with the justification that you need to protect everybody else, where's the line you don't cross? There's no principle built in to that approach. Theoretically, you can justify throwing all people of color under the bus in order to protect white women, with that logic.

If Democrats abandon trans people now, the fascists won't be satisfied. Who's next?

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SwingingTheLamp piefed.zip SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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I suspect that the majority of voters would prefer a policy of tolerance over the Republican party's performative cruelty, but "we should treat these harmless eccentrics with basic human dignity" is one thing while transgender participation in sports or permanent procedures done on children are another.

Here's the thing: That's total bullshit. Just like my comment above, if you're willing to compromise a little bit on people's basic human dignity, where's the line?

(Also, gender-affirming, permanent surgery performed on children describes circumcision. People pretending to be concerned about it on principle are lying.)

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SwingingTheLamp piefed.zip SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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#31 · Quote Reply

Who's shoving preferences in anyone's face??? Do you know anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Are they shoving things in your face? Also, communal showers/changing areas have been weird the entire time they've existed, and that's the ONLY way you'd even know what someone has under their clothes. ALSO, WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF OTHER PEOPLES BODIES? "Common sense" is a dog whistle. People are complicate...

Do you know anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Are they shoving things in your face?

This reminds me of:

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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#32 · Quote Reply

Do you know anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Are they shoving things in your face? This reminds me of: Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

My god, I'm saving this

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AlligatorBlizzard sh.itjust.works AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
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#33 · Quote Reply

I suspect that the majority of voters would prefer a policy of tolerance over the Republican party's performative cruelty, but "we should treat these harmless eccentrics with basic human dignity" is one thing while transgender participation in sports or permanent procedures done on children are another.

Puberty is permanent, you nasty wad of shoe gum. The wrong puberty causes changes that, at best, have to be repaired with surgery, some changes are irreversible, and the worst result of the wrong puberty is suicidal ideation that some trans kids don't survive. Puberty blockers are the only non-permanent physical option for trans kids, and the years those kids spend waiting for the adults to let them go through the right puberty they're never getting back. And there's social and emotional consequences to delaying puberty. No teenager is just rolling up and getting HRT without an entire care team approving it and regret rates for kids who medically transition is vanishingly low - you're advocating for 100 trans kids to suffer and possibly die by suicide to protect maybe one cis kid from making a mistake.

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Psythik lemmy.world Psythik@lemmy.world
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#34 · Quote Reply

I was hoping it was going to be a "fuck you".

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DebraBucket lemmy.world DebraBucket@lemmy.world
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#35 · Quote Reply

I don’t want them “defending trans rights” though.

I want them enforcing the protection of trans rights through legislative action and enforcement of those laws.

“Defending trans rights” is when Republicans go on the offensive about transgender issues so we have to go from being on the offensive on issues like affordability, healthcare and a strong working class to “defending” trans rights. Look at the pamphlets in Texas, they’re no longer talking about gas and grocery prices in Texas, it’s all about who sent the pamphlets.

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Psythik lemmy.world Psythik@lemmy.world
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#36 · Quote Reply

That's three words.

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egregiousRac piefed.social phailhaus@piefed.social
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#37 · Quote Reply

Good to hear her stance hasn't budged in the years since the Donkey Kong incident.

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Pacattack57 lemmy.world Pacattack57@lemmy.world
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#38 · Quote Reply

I don’t think most democrats have an issue with defending trans rights. The issue is instead of dealing with issues that affect the majority, they only deal with issues that affect the minority. Worry about people not getting killed and abducted to concentration camps at the border. Then maybe we can talk about trans rights.

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Strider lemmy.world Strider@lemmy.world
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#39 · Quote Reply

That's three words.

That is technically correct and part of learning English (for non native speakers).

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QueenHawlSera piefed.social QueenHawlSera@piefed.social
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#40 · Quote Reply

I suspect that the majority of voters would prefer a policy of tolerance over the Republican party's performative cruelty, but "we should treat these harmless eccentrics with basic human dignity" is one thing while transgender participation in sports or permanent procedures done on children are another.

You do realize that they've done the research and Trans Women have no advantage after two years of hormone therapy right? FTMs already play in men's sports and no one complains about it, just when it's MTFs in women's sports.

And as for permanent procedures done on children, gender dysphoria is real and needs to be treated. You don't tell kids with cancer that they need to "learn to love their tumors" that chemotherapy is "too big a decision for someone your age."

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minorkeys sh.itjust.works minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
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#41 · Quote Reply

So where does it end? If you compromise on somebody's rights with the justification that you need to protect everybody else, where's the line you don't cross? There's no principle built in to that approach. Theoretically, you can justify throwing all people of color under the bus in order to protect white women, with that logic. If Democrats abandon trans people now, the fascists won't be satis...

Yes, there is no good option. Everything is a risk. But everything is also at risk. We can't trust people will help after? Can one endure a disproportionate amount of sacrifice to fight for the entire progressive movement? This entire situation is not about any specific issue, its about the entire framework of law and governance. All rights. All of it.

If someone can't see anything beyond their own grievances, were they ever a progressive? Or were progressives the only option for trans? Are trans rights somehow more important than brown rights? Or immigrant rights? Women's? Everybody's rights?

This is not business as usual. This is potentially the end of democracy in America and if someone won't help because they're not getting enough attention, they an asshole. That is a level of selfishness that is cruelty, to anyone that was once called an ally. The safest spaces in American for trans are still the progressive side. So not supporting the best available option is wise?

There are no good options, so refuse to pick the best one? Insane to me. Massive strategic error. It ends wherever the left is capable of ending it and right now, nobody knows where that is but it isn't where it is now. You don't think the left is trying just because they haven't succeeded? Maybe more participation is what halts the Nazis marching as soon a possible. But disengage instead...that will help you...

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Waterpumpee lemmus.org Waterpumpee@lemmus.org
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#42 · Quote Reply

Isn't it funny how reactionaries always target minorities and then act like it's the fault of the people who stand up to their persecution? Not "ha ha" funny, more like "the rotten smell behind the dumpster" funny.

Topic here is, will it win her votes. I'd say no because overfocus on minority topics will drive all other people, not adjacent to that group, away. And comments going apeshit crazy only because there is one voice not following their line is not helping the acceptance.

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Waterpumpee lemmus.org Waterpumpee@lemmus.org
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#43 · Quote Reply

Who's shoving preferences in anyone's face??? Do you know anyone in the LGBTQ+ community? Are they shoving things in your face? Also, communal showers/changing areas have been weird the entire time they've existed, and that's the ONLY way you'd even know what someone has under their clothes. ALSO, WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF OTHER PEOPLES BODIES? "Common sense" is a dog whistle. People are complicate...

Communal showers are weird yes.

Labeling common sense as dog whistle now will work against you. Society doesn't have the resources to adhere to every complicated person's needs and wants. Bringing those trans topics into the focus while a family struggles to care for their baby makes the family vote someone else. It's a niche topic, really.

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Zombiepirate lemmy.world Zombiepirate@lemmy.world
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#44 · Quote Reply

Topic here is, will it win her votes. I'd say no because overfocus on minority topics will drive all other people, not adjacent to that group, away. And comments going apeshit crazy only because there is one voice not following their line is not helping the acceptance.

I'm not playing your reactionary game.

Solidarity means solidarity. We don't chip away at people's rights so that bigots can feel superior.

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zoloftt lemmy.world zoloftt@lemmy.world
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#45 · (edited) Quote Reply

Communal showers are weird yes. Labeling common sense as dog whistle now will work against you. Society doesn't have the resources to adhere to every complicated person's needs and wants. Bringing those trans topics into the focus while a family struggles to care for their baby makes the family vote someone else. It's a niche topic, really.

I'm not running for office. I'm just a guy trying to highlight inconsistency.

You don't get to decide what is a dog whistle sadly. It already is one.

It really is a niche thing, so why is it such a big deal if they get treated no different than anyone else? You yourself said that they should be treated equally. It costs society NOTHING to treat them the same.

I believe there are a TON of other articles about affordability right now, you CHOSE to talk about the one highlighting Trans issues.

Edit: what is the "family" vote? Everyone has a family. Trans people have families. I have a family. My wife and I always vote in favor of Trans Rights. They are Human Rights.

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Madzielle lemmy.dbzer0.com Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#46 · (edited) Quote Reply

Now imagine if you were black and were seeing this.

The one blackish friend I had (immigrant at 14 from Trinidad) believes in evangelical christianty and is a maga supporter.

I tried to talk to them, but they hate trans people and anyone not from thier specific carribean island.

I live near a lot of folks from puerto rico. I befriended a few over the the last few years, who I was chill with until politics came up. 3/3 maga supporters. Fucking makes me very sad. Its the same, they hate trans people and anyone not from thier island.

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#47 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yes, there is no good option. Everything is a risk. But everything is also at risk. We can't trust people will help after? Can one endure a disproportionate amount of sacrifice to fight for the entire progressive movement? This entire situation is not about any specific issue, its about the entire framework of law and governance. All rights. All of it. If someone can't see anything beyond their...

Not sure how to parse this comment. The point here is that, as a practical matter, no one's rights are safe unless everybody's rights are safe, and AOC is correct that Democrats are wrong to disengage on trans rights, because it's ultimately abandoning everybody's rights, which is the end of democracy.

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Enkrod feddit.org Enkrod@feddit.org
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#48 · Quote Reply

I’d have said ‘get fucked’, but ‘they’re wrong’ is good, too.

"They're wrong" is three words though. Only partly why I like "get fucked" better.

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rapchee lemmy.world rapchee@lemmy.world
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#49 · Quote Reply

I don’t think most democrats have an issue with defending trans rights. The issue is instead of dealing with issues that affect the majority, they only deal with issues that affect the minority. Worry about people not getting killed and abducted to concentration camps at the border. Then maybe we can talk about trans rights.

nobody told you to fuck off in 10 hours so i'm a bit disappointed, and also
fuck off

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Mulligrubs lemmy.world Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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#50 · (edited) Quote Reply

Democrats at the top-level did drop the trans issue and they lost the 2024 election.

They did?

I didn't watch all of her campaign, I'll take your word for it.

If so, that means

  1. Polling said to drop it an an unpopular issue, so they did.
  2. Big donors said to drop it, so they did (whether popular or not)

All I noticed was that she had the most Republican ad campaign that I've ever seen from a Democratic candidate. She tried to get R voters for some insane reason.

(everybody knows, D or R, that you need independent votes to win an election, basic math)

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Zaktor sopuli.xyz Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-08-22
#51 · Quote Reply

nobody told you to fuck off in 10 hours so i'm a bit disappointed, and also fuck off

Thank you for your service.

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