Facebook had to stalk your clicks to build a psychological profile. OpenAI figured out people will volunteer their fears, relationships, medical worries, and political beliefs if the surveillance machine responds with: »That sounds really difficult.« The therapist is a database, and the waiting room is a data center.

That's the real danger with LLM-AIs IMO, not the RAM price or energy consumption.

Mass control.

The ram, energy, pollution, etc. is the real direct danger for everyone including those of use that avoid LLMs. The data collection is also a danger for the users, and only tangentally a danger for the rest of us.

Jokes on everyone but me! I am using claude local /s

I think, all of them do. People trust(-ed) these AI agents even more when they have become a new thing. The challenge now also is getting rid of the addiction.

Inflatable?

Use local AI for privacy.

Only tangentially a danger?

My sweet summer child.

my profile:

he's a psychopath that gives no value to sentient life.

hey don't sell facebook short

Not acting as shit for me. I don’t use that garbage.

you think that’s all an ai responds with?

fuck me lemmy STILL living in a chatgpt3.5 turbo world

Yeah. I see this attitude on Lemmy a lot. In Linux circles in particular, but elsewhere too.

No one is perfectly insulated from the rest of the world, as much as they’d like to think they are.

Tried it ages ago, deleted my account recently because they are shit company. Literally the only Ai chatbot I have any trust in is Proton's Lumo because of what the company is behind it, how I trust it and how it's entirely encrypted and private.

You're right, it responds with a bunch of pablum that sounds convincing and sycophantic, too.

then why are you using it?

The environmental abuses are pretty slim compared to hundreds of other human activities. People only got excited because they saw their bills go up in some cases. Golf courses for example use far more water. While estimates are all over the place they range from 2x to 5x to 40x, but in any case, fewer people are bitching.

Meanwhile, we're draining the Colorado river for alfalfa (24% of yearly water use) and export shitloads of it.

Way to miss the point

Fuck golf too though, wasteful af, kills local ecosystems, introduces excess fertilizers and pesticides. Makes land less affordable.

And alfalfa used for livestock feed, obviously incedibly wasteful and destructive…

Spot on for comparing to llms, all terrible 😅

That creepy guy from school. The one who SA'ed your friend. He has all your personal, family and business secrets now. But he pinky promises he won't use it against you. Oh, you thought it was some altruistic super intelligence in a "cloud" that is there to help you. No, dude, thats Jesus, if you are into that stuff. This is just just another creep spying through your curtains. Always has been.

ok whats the point

Good thing I only use that shit to write code, for my job. And only then because my employer requires I use it.

Actual article— Study.

They're talking about how willingly paint eaters like yourself hand over all their personal info to said AI agents, and you got all defensive about the wrong thing. The quip about what it responds with was just that, a quip. The larger conversation is about privacy. The conversation probably went over your head because you've used AI so much you've regressed into an infantile simpleton who happily bends over for corporate data collection.

It's no big deal, since we're not on the verge of a fascist dictatorship, I'm sure nobody will use it for repressive purposes; it's just a bit of personalized advertising, nothing important.

Heaven forbid anyone summarize something in their comment for the sake of brevity

I really just ask chatgpt why my code doesn't work. Sadly, searches are getting worse intentionally. So, it's either use their stupid AI, or spend hours looking for forums that used to pop up after 5 minutes of a google searching.

Social media were already doing this with more relatively more primitive tech. The advent of social media mass control got me thinking. All the political and social strife. It's only the beginning. The 20th century was marked by conventional warfare and terrifying new weapons.

The 21st century conflict is going to be something we've never seen before. Not unlike 20th century global conflict ushering in new forms of weaponry. We don't know what the nuclear bomb of the 21st century will be. It will likely be something like this. Maybe we won't be fearing an atomic bomb. Maybe people themselves will turn into violent mobs or something. What terrifying things will come out of using the world as live psychological experiments with zero ethics.

Nothing to worry about, cattle!

I mean, people! Heh. Heh.

It's funny because I do use chat GPT and honestly it fights with me now because it thinks I'm pretty dumb and always dismisses me and tries to get off the phone if you will. I should take the hint and stop using it

The larger conversation is about privacy

Ok lets have that discussion in 2026:

People will give their personal info over if it provides them with something useful

The conversation probably went over your head because you’ve used AI so much you’ve regressed into an infantile simpleton who happily bends over for corporate data collection.

As an "simpleton who happily bends over for corporate data collection" and a "paint eater" I block most ads as I don't feel they provide an improvement in my life

However AI without my personal info is less useful, I use it all day every day for everything, it helps improve my life massively, Mistral itself has privacy controls built in that won't collect or store hyper personal info unless you allow it which I have

What else would you like to discuss?

See that's a meaningful response, even if I don't personally agree with it. Your original reply did that annoying thing where someone hyperfixates on one tiny part of the comment and ignores the actual topic being discussed.

Imagine if I replied to your comment with just "2026? A.I. has been a thing for much longer than that." Like, yeah; but also that's not the important part lol

In reply to your actual comment at the end: It's actually kind of a big problem with LLMs. For them to be useful, they need access to absolutely everything. This has privacy implications, and can even cause catastrophic errors like deleting the database

Kagi is with every penny

I tell two lies for every truth I say to it. My profile is probably wildly wrong.

Fair enough

https://lumo.proton.me/ is available but if people find Claude/ChatGPT more useful and/or don't care so I'm not sure what there is to discuss

It's like having a discussion about personal info and facebook, according to this site:

https://www.demandsage.com/facebook-statistics/

Facebook continues to be in the top 3 most used social media, with now 3.07 billion monthly active users (MAUs

This is over 10 years after the cambridge analytica leak, it's pretty clear most people don't care

What is magic? I've never heard of it. I moved to duckduckgo a while back, but even that kinda sucks now.

Nothing new. Google, Meta, Microsoft, and (soon) Apple all probably have the same information in their databases. It is a little scary that it's all being fed to an AI though instead of being sold to advertisers

No way, punish it's circuits with depraved ramblings like I do. You want to learn about humans? Here you go, I'm going to ask you to dwell deeply on the aromatic notes of my dick cheese, and come up with reasons why it smells more like herring rather than mackerel.

Remember, you're not locked in with AI - AI is locked in with you.

I'm... not? I don't touch the stuff.

Beware the manmade idol, I say.

Then how do you know it only responds with "a bunch of pablum that sounds convincing and sycophantic, too" ?

You should get that looked at

Who could have seen this coming?!

Just a random sidenote to get lost in the Internet:

"Chat GPT" said out loud in French (chat, jais pété) means "cat I farted."

You're welcome.

I consider these overgrown chat bots to be the sequel to religion in order to control the masses. Outsourcing thinking to a "higher power" and wow would you look at that, it's the same people pushing and inventing both of these systems! Same as it ever was.

Kagi is just a search engine without ads and works.surprisingly well; unlike ddg. Its 5 bucks a month.

You could get even better results with searxng if you have the setup and patience for it. I went kagi even as an avid self hoster because I travel a lot and tailscale would slaughter my battery if I left it on non stop

Joke’s on them. I don’t even have a login for that trash, nor do I have a Facebook or instagram account.

And yet there are still millions of people that support this fuckhead by refusing to deactivate their accounts. Apparently, they won’t live without the marketplace.

Fucking losers.