People who need a million extensions are going against the grain of the design.

I don't want 'the design' to dictate how I use my computer.

Because the point of Linux is I get to make it my own

If I wanted to use what the Devs tell me is the right setup and "just works", I'd not own a computer at all. I'd just get an iPad, which has that appliance like "no options, just does what it's made to do, works great under those constraints" thing going for it.

I prefer GNOME for the UX but I do appreciate KDE's customization and settings. KDE seems more unstable though, I've had plenty of crashes from it vs GNOME

Then it should be pronounced "Gee-nome" and be a homonym with "genome".

I once bought a physical copy of SuSE back in the before times, when downloading would take a prohibitively long time on a shitty dial-up connection (and then you'd still have to burn it on an expensive CD-R in order to install).

It did, in fact, come with a handbook for the DE.

I do not know if this is a hardware thing but KDE has not been unstable for years.

I prefer the default gnome experience to the default kde experience.

I also prefer the styling of most gnome apps, and actively dislike kde apps styling.

Gnome is less customizable, but customizable enough for what I want.

I'm also biased, because I was using Ubuntu since it came out, up until a few years ago 🤷‍♂️

That's what a computer should look like, imo

So tired of all this oversimplification and enlarging of UI elements so they don't disappear behind peoples' thumbs

I use a MOUSE, not a HAND

/s

This made me laugh more than it should have. It perfectly captures how we all try to be neutral… until that one preference slips out. Classic moment.

Just use any Linux distro you like!

Stock Ubuntu with GNOME

I like gnome DE, I dislike the arrogance of the project team.

My straw was the login-to-exposé thing.

At some point gonna do the same. Which tiling manager are you looking at?

Lmao you hyperbole'd your own statement quoted back at you.

Or have there been cases of KDE preferers/devs doing this to gnome preferers/devs?

I'm also biased, because I was using Ubuntu since it came out, up until a few years ago 🤷‍♂️

Yes. Same here. I'll complain about pain points in Gnome all day, but I owe the various gnome contributors many thanks. Gnome has been a more than good enough daily driver for me plenty of times.

🤷‍♀️ it seems good at recovering from crashes except for Dolphin

And it is. If you don't like it fork it

You have as much customizability as you will take for yourself. If you don't like it, fork it.

I was talking about users, not developers.

I'm under the crazy opinion that developers are free to develop whatever they want, and users are free to use whatever they want. If they are unhappy they can use something else or become developers.

If I develop something you do not want to use I do not restrict your freedom. GNOME developers are not restricting your freedom by creating a product that's according to my preferences. They are giving us both freedom to choose what we prefer. The fact that GNOME is so different from KDE increases freedom of choice.

I don't get what is so hard to understand here.

Orrrr I can use something else. Which I do. Something that respects the fact that my computer is in fact mine.

And like i said. It'd be fine if gnome was gnome... If it stayed in its fucking lane serving the people that like it.

But the gnome Devs have a lot of influence on how things like Wayland are taking shape, so their "let's turn Linux into iPad" attitude does in fact affect me.

I like gnome and it's philosophy 😬

There's plenty of "customizability" friendly options out there. I like how gnome isn't afraid to break things to improve

Gnome haven't "improved" anything since gnome 2. Gnome 3 and above? Only downhill from there.

And here I am using gnome out of the box and beautiful while I'd have to spend time making KDE work for me.

I also liked GNOME 2 a lot. Current GNOME is okay for what it is, but it feels too dumbed down for my tastes. For example the default editor has basically no features compared to gedit back in the day. The desktop is kind of nice on a laptop with a good touchpad and gestures though.

On Ubuntu's old Unity DE that top panel housed app menus and merged with maximized windows. And you could tap a button to search those menus. I wish they would reimplement those features.

How is MATE nowadays? Is it just Gnome 2 frozen in time or does it have modern features?

What version of KDE did you try on what distro?

Care to share a screenshot?

Sounds like it’s time for you to try danklinux.com

I remember a boxed CD set of SuSE sold in bookstores around the year 2000.

Which ones do you like?

I’m partial to Niri, mangowc, and hyprland.

I don't think you understand the implications of what you're suggesting.

Forking a project as large as Gnome is a massive undertaking. Not only is it a lot of up-front work to implement the functionality, but you also have to stay up-to-date with all upstream changes, and there's likely at least a few Gnome developers that are paid to work on it full-time, so that is a lot to maintain. And not only do you have to build it for your own distro, but you also have to convince maintainers of other distros to adopt it as well and put it in their repositories, otherwise you have no community of users, which means no community of developers either.

Forking Gnome is wildly impractical. It's not a feasible suggestion to make at all.

The #2 reason I'm still on a Mac is because I prefer the look of its UX. Can you recommend a good window manager/theme that replicates macOS Sequoia?

And also one that will replicate system 7 because I am an old and nostalgic man.

It was developed and released during a time where people obsessed with touch interfaces thanks to deficient computing devices like phones and tablets. So many people were wholly convinced that these things were going to completely replace general purpose computing, so projects like Gnome, which were being run by Red Hat, had to follow along one way or another, though they probably did so willingly.

In any case, I am SO glad those days are over. It was far, far worse than the AI hype that we have to put up with today.

It's mostly Gnome 2 frozen in time - there have been small improvements here and there, particularly in Caja (the file manager). I think that's great though personally, and use it on most of my machines.

Wayland adoption has been slow, but it is getting there.

To be fair, I probably wouldn't feel the need to care about GNOME at all were it not for the fact that it still the standard DE for large, newbie-facing distros. I still favour the Windows paradigm, and a lot other people do too, and it doesn't really matter whether it's familiarity or actually preferring it (which I genuinely do). I don't really appreciate hearing the standard GNOME-user polemics about it, especially when both sides usually end up acknowledging that it's personal preference. I'm not saying you're using that argument out of bad faith, but it's the kind of thing I see a lot and it really bothers me, because it is/would be rightly criticised were it the other way round.

Point is, some people just genuinely don't like GNOME, and it doesn't have to be because of simplicity (Plasma is rarely referred to as simple), familiarity, or a hate-boner for GNOME or Mac.

I actually kinda like gnome. I like most of the others too, but I default to gnome. Also I use the hot corners all the time

I loved using multi desktop in Gnome. Hated using it anywhere else... Except i3. But still kinda like Gnome more. Though... Kinda hated my extensions constantly breaking.

I don't get the gnome hate, it's my favorite

The second to last time last time I tried it, when I had all the trouble with crashing, it was in a vm. I think it was on fedora. It was a pretty current version at the time. Maybe 6 months ago. Then a few days ago I installed it as an alternate DE on the current version of pop os. I had some bizarre scaling issues. Didn't check the version that time. Got frustrated and immediately uninstalled it.

I don't really like real CDE, but NsCDE is one of my favorite desktops

KDE: "I just blue myself"

I think the key is to just not hate on someone else for having a preference for one you don't care for. (And not being an overzealous missionary for your own preference.) It's fun seeing the variety and people geeking out about the little intricacies they love about their favorites

Just want to remind everyone that the point of this scene is that Draper is an unstable and insecure man that is actually obsessed about how everyone around him are perceiving him, all the time. So this line is just stupid bravado, because he thinks the phrase projects the image he wants others to have of himself. He is lying because he actually thinks about what others think of him constantly. He works in advertising ffs.

Also I use the hot corners all the time

🤮

Good luck finding the fucking setting for it though

they literally have a search in the options

KDE literally comes with a manual. Hitting f1 almost anywhere will give you a help tool that explains everything in detail.

Now try to make Gnome look almost exactly like KDE.

... try to make a duck look like a camoflage octopus? mimicking what?

I got to take this baby from 999 to 1K

If it happens to be exactly what you want, then you're golden. If not, you have a fight on your hands.