"System and method for storing broadcast content in a cloud-based computing environment"

What a bullshit patent. Twitch and other streaming services have been doing this for longer than this patent have existed most likely.

Yeah, the fact such a nonspecific patent was granted in the first place shows pretty clearly there's something wrong with the system!

Patent trolls are absolute scum of the earth.

I wish the damages they had to pay were enough to bankrupt them. "Companies" that do this sort of stuff are purely parasitical in nature should be taken down.

I'd even argue that when it is blatant like that law practicing licences should be revoked and the higher management of the company jailed for attempted extortion.

I'm reminded of that one Silicon Valley episode

Fuck software patents. You don't have to make anything - it's not a specific mechanism - it's just claiming an idea.

With real patents, tiny workarounds are treated as completely different. Nintendo's sturdy and reliable d-pads from the Game & Watch through the N64 used a hollow cross pivoting atop a dome. Some years later, Sega put the dome on the cross and had it pivot on a divot.

That sort of silly bullshit distinction is endemic to mechanical design patents. But I only know one case where it happened in software patents, and it's why image and video codecs are such a clusterfuck. IBM patented arithmetic coding - assigning short codes to frequent values. JPEG and ZIP software had to dance around this for decades, by using Huffman coding, which does the same god damn thing, but slightly worse. When the patent finally expired and ultranerds were free to improve on arithmetic coding, Google tried doing the same bullshit with their improvements, which is part of why JPEG XL went nowhere.

And that's for hard math! I had to sit and think about describing what arithmetic coding even does, instead of instinctively explaining how to balance binary trees. Namco infamously patented the idea of minigames during load screens. Any minigame! And then they used it, like, once. Warner patented the idea of hyping any NPC that beats you, so you won't be allowed to do that until 2033. Nintendo's trying to patent the parts of Pokemon they copied off Megami Tensei.

Imagine if Nintendo had patented sidescrollers. How many games would not exist, if they decided to own that concept? No iteration, no competition, just a handful of Marios and the worst Zelda. The very first third-party example would be Braid. A whole genre, wiped out, because a piece of paper says going left to right is theft.

Remind me?

At that point you could just patent breathing.

What the fuck?

That guy doesnt actually invent anything. He just comes up with ideas and files?

I could see an argument that RealPlayer did that 30 years ago.

Pied Piper was threatened with a lawsuit by a patent/IP troll. When Richard went to talk to him during his "everything can be solved by just talking it out" phase he learned the guy was also the owner of music copyright for an old song that he used to threaten musicians.

His solution was to find an older example of that song (using their software) and threaten the guy with losing his copyright on the song that was his main moneymaker.

So in this one case talking it out face to face did pay off. Unlike talking to Ed Chen

"Method and apparatus for insufflation of oxygen into a body by means of flexible permeable membrane"

Thanks, I remember now!

Yes, that show is notably fiction, though so firmly rooted in the reality of Silicon Valley that it was at times almost painful to watch while working and living there. Also everyone started calling me Gilfoyle.

80% of patent work is coming up with ideas and filing them. The remaining 20% is ensuring there's no prior art, prior patents, etc.

Besides, patent trolling is not completely negative. The silver lining is that the same system that allows this, also allows e.g. Sony to perpeetum own the patent for interactive TV ads that require the user to yell a word at the TV to ensure they're watching the ad. Sony owns the patent but never implemented it, nor did they license it to others.

Now imagine what would happen if you had to implement your patent into a commercial product or lose the rights to it...

Such poetic justice, though, ain't it? I guess they must've thought Valve was easy, low hanging fruit? But of a mistake, if so. Just a little one, mind you!

Patent trolling is completely negative. Patents themselves are mostly negative.

Pocket change when it comes to Valve

Pocket change when it comes to a Rothschild as well. This isn’t going to discourage them, that family is the dictionary definition of old money.

Besides, patent trolling is not completely negative.

The very idea of intellectual property is ludicrous and absurd. The concept of owning ideas is one of the most ridiculous notions that capitalism ever came up with. There are absolutely zero positive benefits to society when it comes to patents. They are the very reason people can’t afford lifesaving medicines and farmers can’t replant their own seeds. Anyone who owns a patent is a leech and should be hanged by the neck until dead.

zelda 2 was good man

And yet.

This.

Even the original argument, that patents exists to reward inventors with a period of time where they have the sole ability to sell their product, is gone. Now patents are simply owned by the company or university and rarely the inventor or scientist, they're allowed to be renewed over and over so that they are effectively eternal.

It's a shit system designed to encourage rent seeking behaviors without the risk and cost of having to invent new things.

Apparently it's not the Rothschild family but an independent patent troll based in NY?

I'm genuinely asking because someone else in another thread claimed they were of no relation and I can't seem to confirm that.

Force FOSS or your brain will literally be physically "eaten" by Matrix parasites.

You think I'm exaggerating a movie reference. I'm not. That will be your literal future if the planet don't go Dune-Firefly.

Just Sayan. Take your pick. If you don't stop raping girls with patents, Check out and Sniff my Snow Crash "Patent."

I'm willing to accept the idea of software patents, provided they follow the premise of "novel to an expert in the field". So if you walk up to a software engineer, ask them how to do something, and they cobble together something that more or less performs the desired task in a similar manner, then the patent is rejected.

I figure 10 or 20 software patents would have made it past this kind of test. Rounded corners on rectangles? No. Gif compression algorithm? No. But maybe there are 10 or 20 truly novel ideas that were patented.

Even if it's actually the Rothschilds we're talking about, that doesn't mean these guys are from one of the branches of the family where the money is. The Rothschilds got rich in the 18th century, so that's quite some time for wealth and influence to wane.

https://qz.com/694340/the-richest-families-in-florence-in-1427-are-still-the-richest-families-in-florence

Time seems to consolidate wealth.

In Florence. The Rothschields are from Austria.

This guy:

Being intentionally stupid for some reason

So are you like trying to win a contest or something?

The Rothschilds wealth did not consolidate.

Its not about consolidation man its how its grown from what it was over the course of time and how its grown enough to keep up with any dilution they may have experienced as time passed

And they don't just let anybody walk around with their name man. They take their shit seriously. Its a pretty serious family there you are acting like is some scattered diluted group like some old royals that fell out of favor and died out or something

Its grown and grown and grown over a loooog time and historically NOT reduced hence them being such a prime example of this type of wealth and hence my commentary about you being intentionally obtuse

Source?

Do you have a study that would disprove this being true in Austria? Or a study about Austria directly? Or a study that would prove Florence is a exception?

Fuck you im not your god damn dancing internet monkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family 😎

You made claims man, now you give me a source of how it hasn't consolidated. (Even tho that doesn't matter in the slightest when it comes to modern day wealth empires like this but who cares its the about the principle now)

Now dance monkey. Dance.

An article which clearly shows that their influence and cohesion has waned since 18th century.

Influence isn't what was being pointed out you disingenuous coward

They ARE extremely powerful, they are extremely wealthy. That much is concrete

Less influence then a king isn't suddenly make you a peasant.

They have slightly less power and influence, displayed in places you can easily witness it, since the 1800s. But wait! They also have a fuckton more money then they had (which by definition, is power and influence)

Huh still on top of the world then? Thanks for coming in you silly little man. Woman? Nonbinary person? Doesn't matter really

They don't even make the list of the wealthiest families.

Cool, please provide said list with sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_families

JPEG XL? It's 2026 and I'm still waiting for JPEG 2000 to become mainstream

2000 is outdated; XL was designed for 2040.

Patents give an incentive to actually do the R&D for new products and projects? How would you feel if you spent millions of dollars and 15yrs designing a product and then some random dude just buys one, reverse engineers it and undercuts you? It basically disincentivizes anyone from doing any innovation since the game theory would be to just wait for someone else to do it and then take it for your own.

I don't have a massive amount of love for Valve (I like physical copies of my games, damn you), but patent trolls can go fuck themselves with a rusty pickaxe.

Especially over a patent as nebulous as this:

"System and method for storing broadcast content in a cloud-based computing environment"

Motherfucker, that's called a "file".

Patents give an incentive to actually do the R&D for new products and projects?

when Sir Frederick Banting invented insulin, he patented it not for greed, but to protect it from the patent system. he famously said, ''Insulin does not belong to me, it belongs to the world.''

a hundred years since then, and corporations have patented new forms of insulin that slightly changed the original formula. they sue anyone who tries to make generic insulin, in order to prevent competition. the EXACT FUCKING THING BANTING TRIED TO PREVENT. the patent system is a weapon that has literally taken untold thousands of lives just from that one example.

patents don't incentivize shit, and you're just the latest person without critical thinking skills to fall for that capitalist bullshit propaganda. the patent system exists for one reason, and that's to monetize ideas so that corporations can choose who gets to improve the world based on who has the biggest wallet.

The fact that you consider it so black and white tells me you aren't thinking critically. Yes, the patent system can and has been abused over its long life. Literally every legal system has and will be. That's how it goes. The struggle is how to come up with a system that minimizes the loopholes while not entirely crippling the things they are intended to protect.

Without some protections on human creations you end up with a war of who can steal the most ideas vice who can make the new best thing. You end up putting resources toward protecting your ideas and keeping them entirely secret, which arguably is worse than a public patent everyone can review and be inspired by.

I'm not arguing that they have no downsides, I'm arguing that the position of "it's all bad, get rid of it" is reductive, at best.

The patent troll is literally named Rothschild, and theire whole thing is he runs a network of matryoshka-esque shell companies, that do the patent trolling.

One of the major points of this legal battle is that Valve is saying 'look, this dude has a network of shell companies, he is submitting blatent bullshit in the form of actual misconduct during legal proceedings, to the court, we want to sue him personally for damages.'

https://dockets.justia.com/docket/washington/wawdce/2:2023cv01016/323951

The case that this article is about mentions this, has that link right there in it, but, that particular case is not the one that was decided, that the article is primarily about.

The case that the article is primarily about is the one with so many egregious instances of legal malpractice that occured during it, that Valve started the suit in that link, to literally sue Rothschild for damages.

Like uh, in the proceedings of the case the OP article is about... the Rothschild shell company sued Valve for things that Valve already had a valid contract with them to use.

The Rothschild lawyer/legal team literally said 'oh oops we didn't realize that before I sued you.'

This is an insanely stupid thing to do.

The Rothschild lawyer/legal team also submitted to the court a bunch of hallucinated AI references to 'precedent establishing cases' that either did not even exist, or, were massively misconstrued, as the actual cases were nothing like what the Rothschild legal team described.

This is also an insanely stupid thing to do.

You don't know what patent trolling is.

You are describing patent enforcement.

Patent trolling is when a small company/firm solely, only exists as a kind of legal container that currently owns ... well, usually a broad array of all kinds of patents that they bought from some other person or company at some point.

They then go around and do nothing other than see who they can shakedown for money, via threatening all kinds of lawsuits, which would be extremely expensive and time consuming to fight, so most companies just fold and settle.

Nintendo suing Palworld over copyright and patents?

That's not patent trolling.

Yes, the existence of patents and how IP law works is a complex and contentious topic, in general.

But... patent trolling?

It is a specific thing that occurs because of the current state of IP laws in the US, and basically everyone from any kind of relevant and related academic and/or legal background agrees that it is terrible and Congress should really revamp the laws to at least specifically fix it.

Patent and IP law are complicated.

Patent trolling is completely negative.

The struggle is how to come up with a system that minimizes the loopholes while not entirely crippling the things they are intended to protect.

the "things they are intended to protect" is profits for the rich.

The fact that you consider it so black and white

it is black and white. the patent system is a capitalist invention with no benefit to society.

Without some protections on human creations you end up with a war of who can steal the most ideas

you can't "steal" ideas any more than you can copyright them. you think that just because you signed some piece of paper, that nobody else can come along and do it anyway? as a pirate who "steals" all media and video games they consume, let me be the first to tell you that you are out of your mind. the only thing enforcing patents is the monopoly the government has on violence. the same government whose police force started as slave catchers. the same government that refuses to charge the rich and powerful from the Trump-Epstein list. patents exist to protect the profits of the rich and powerful, they do not exist to protect you.

You end up putting resources toward protecting your ideas and keeping them entirely secret

the patent system is no different than that. "your" ideas might not be secret, but nobody else can legally make use of them. there's no practical difference. either way, the benefits those idea bring are restricted to the few people with enough money to purchase access to them.

I’m not arguing that they have no downsides, I’m arguing that the position of “it’s all bad, get rid of it” is reductive, at best.

that's because you either don't understand the basics of capitalism, or you defend it because it's the only chains you've ever known. or you're rich and pretending you're not.

whatever the case, anyone who has a patent is a leech on society, and all patent holders should be hanged by the neck until dead. when we said "eat the rich", what we mean is kill them all. sorry if that bit confused you.

I whole heartedly agree, but I have a bit of love for Vavle because of the work they have put in regarding gaming on Linux.

Sitting on a patent, not implementing it, while also not allowing others to implement it, is a form of patent trolling.

Hell I'd even go as far as to call what Qualcomm does with their 4G/5G patents, trolling (they basically offer to sell patent licensing but it's generally much more expensive to get the license AND develop+manufacture your own modem with it than to buy modems from Qcom directly, which is essentially stifling any potential innovation on the modem market).

I don't know that you meant to respond to me but thank you for the extra context.