this, especially as graphene seems to support devices outside of when google would

I love how encouraging the self hosted community is.

GrapheneOS :)

Blackberry could've made such a good comeback. What a shame.

What messages would be unencrypted in this scenario if it is E2EE? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

I wish Ubuntu Touch wasn't the main player because I dont want to give Canonical money 😭 Better than Google or Microsoft though.

You guys have employers?

Maybe, you could buy a Motorola as well in the near future.

https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/

Shitposting from under the bridge in the Canadian winter sucks so wage labour it is.

isnt that still android

The only reason I don't use GrapheneOS is because of thte tight coupling they have with Google's hardware.

True. The OG GrapheneOS alternative was DivestOS, which actually pulled a lot of features from Graphene. Still so sad that project ended

When I first joined Reddit, it was so similar to Lemmy in its principles. Relatively progressive, open source, tons of interesting people having real convos about the nerdiest stuff and talking about the world. It was real, and the fediverse has absolutely nailed recreating that sense of community. What a beautiful safe haven we have

Most used pixels are oem locked verizon ones. They say unlocked, but they only mean carrier unlocked.

You can check the model number to tell if it's an OEM. I got my last phone off Swappa which allows you to filter by stuff like model number and condition.

Worth it. Try any Samsung phone with Google's shit and Samsung's shit on top: I swear you these one are practically unusable, like you carrying an bloated mini-ad-computer with you. A implanted bug in your teeth or ass would hurt probably less then this. Before I use any of those, I rather use a "dumb" phone again.

sadly it was announced that TrueNAS is becoming closed source
Closed Source TrueNAS

Why, because you can't afford it (reasonable), because you think it helps Google (unreasonable), because you think it's a privacy risk (unreasonable), or because it feels icky (unreasonable)?

The profits from Pixel hardware sales are a drop in the bucket for Google. I'm pretty sure the only reason it exists is so they can have insight and control over the hardware ecosystem, as without it they'd be driven by whatever Samsung wants to do.

The walled Android ecosystem is where they make the bulk of their money, and Graphene actively pulls people away from that and to something objectively better. Graphene is fully de-Googled and safe from their spyware, and exists outside of their business model. Using and promoting Graphene actively hurts Google, even if you have them $1k for a phone.

Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn't see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.

Nah, fuck them. They were no different from Google and Apple, and had monopolistic tendencies as well. If anything, Google is the lesser evil since Android is at least open source, whereas BB10 was as locked down as iOS.

Blackberry also killed/sold off their hardware teams, so they have no capacity to make a comeback. All they have left is their nostalgia-loaded brand.

Idk it depends on your reasons for the comparison. I believe they had monopolistic tendencies (as do both Google and Apple, so does Nintendo regarding its hardware as well) but the last time I checked they weren't nearly as focused on surveillance.

I mostly just mean there is a market right now for physical keyboards. That is the extent of depth I intended with this comment. I'm not educated enough in hardware markets to speak on Blackberrys place in them or their ethics.

The what's app is encrypted to get to your phone so transmission is protected, however to view your message it is unencrypted (obvious) and at that stage WhatsApp will parse it for key stuff such as Child Sexual stuff, or other threats they have determined they look for, that then triggers a data send back to the mother ship. The problem with this is if the Government wants to silence a political opponent or journalist they can go to Meta and request a search other than CSAM. So end to end encryption via any META product is a joke

Its the best we have until Linux phones become more viable

Yes. It is hardened a lot though, easily the most secure and private. Ubuntu Touch is maybe more private because Linux but it's barely functional. iOS in lockdown mode is decent, better than stock Android.

It's not that they have a deal with Google, it's that Google's hardware security is best bar none except maybe iPhone. And Graphene is the best way to degoogle, as counter intuitive as it may seem. They are working with other manufacturers to get these security requirements for new phones so Graphene can be put on them.

Hm yeah that blows.

Dude, it's super awesome, but telling you it's easy could potentially push you away from doing it, plus transparency is always the best policy. Additionally, it's not that it's hard, really, it does have a learning curve, and it's difficulty will mostly be determined by how much you like challenges. The best part is that too many of us have already tried, failed, tried again, and succeeded, so you can always lean on us.

https://www.nccgroup.com/media/fzwdxklh/_ncc_group_whatsapp_e001000m_report_2021-10-27_v12.pdf

https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/843.pdf

Also, their e2ee is built on the signal protocol. Now, their server code and client code are not open source, so they could have left all types of doors open for their benefit. Also, the Metadata is not encrypted at all, something they actually brag about for some reason.

And just to be clear, I am a genuine 'everything-meta-hater" (and Google, MicroShit, Crapple, Crapsung, etc.), but spreading misinformation doesn't help preaching about privacy and security.

While a terminal solution, that's not a real solution. I'll agree replacing everything 1:1 isn't the way we should go. But, we have the technology and infrastructure to enjoy having a mini-PC we can hold in our hand while also maintaining our privacy and avoiding enshitified applications.

It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game.

I get you, I wasn't being sarcastic. Going through something difficult has a way of bringing people together, especially if you still love it after the effort.

But then I wouldn't have been able to make this meme.

That verified if their backups were end to end encrypted though right?

It's also interesting what was out of scope:

Limitations
The following components were not in scope; NCC Group was therefore unable to evaluate and identify issues with
them:
• Third-party and proprietary HSM vendor implementation.
• Backup encryption implementation.
• Side-channels in the access, creation, modification and deletion of backup data on third-party cloud storage.

Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it's great. Jesus, I've deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can't tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I've been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break stuff, and then enjoy the satisfaction of finally having it running after 2 or 3 sleepless nights, only to break it again by placing a comma I the wrong place because your brain refuses to keep going 🤣🤣.

It's fun man, that's the best part, owning your data and flipping the finger at big tech and givernments is just the added value. That's my opinion anyway.

They're getting closer. Last update was end of Feb. Most of their updates seem to about security stuff I don't understand, but it's nice to see they're working on it.

Dude, you seem to be under the impression that I'm somehow defending meta, and you're evidently in battle mode. I said my piece, provided the evidence as requested. I guess this is where I drop off of this convoy for ith you, buddy. Make of it what you will. Have a good day.

They're still working on it. Getting closer and closer to releasing again. No timeline unfortunately though.

No, I am not in battle mode. I just read the link and found it interesting and responded with things I saw in it.

What I didn't do, was realize you sent TWO links, and I failed to read the second one. But believe me I am not trying to argue in any way. I am just responding.

The second link was also just for backups.

Again, I am just saying that they are not able to demonstrate that they are actually implementing this, AND that both of those links are for backups only. Thats all.

And I totally get what you were driving at: it doesn't matter, they have a "spare key".

I don't think it will. It's just another outside audit (no idea if país by meta or not though). It is E2ee, that's the bottom line. Now, the implementation is what dictates what that's worth. It's no different than client-side scanning or Microsoft co-pilot. What's the point of having e2ee if someone else can get access either before encryption or by a third party, like meta, having a master key to decrypt anyway?

The first thing was if there was any indo of e2ee being implemented, there's plenty, even Cloudflare audited them at one point if I recall correctly. But, nobody knows how it's implemented, except for meta, and that's where the lack of trust resides, because we all trust meta as far as we can throw our cars.

Same here. Google pixel 10 with grapheneOS.

haha, the "lowered my bloodpressure" bit is sooo relatable :)

civilized

that reminds me of something ... one of the greatest milestones of civilization is said to be canalization, and we are indeed all connected through shitposts :)

They are currently in talks to use Verizon phones.

Edit: whoops that was Motorola, my bad.

Debloating an S10 was removing a long list of shit. I have seen the list only got longer with the newer models indeed. But one can survive, with the right tools.

But hoping it’ll be one of their flagships, the new Razr is pretty dope specs wise.

i hope it's gonna be a not flagship one, because otherwise i'll not be able to afford it :(

I really wanted GrapheneOS, but ended up with /e/OS on a fairphone because I refuse to give Google any more money.

After replacing the default launcher with Lawnchair, I'm pretty happy with it. The physical switch (remapped to control the torch) is a nice touch.

and china has almost all messaging through government controlled app wechat, qr payments everywhere, active tracking for social credit score, and blocked internet traffic for specific websites. they are definitely big on surveillance...

if anything they have more incentive to add backdoors to phones going overseas, look at what happened with huawei

Has Hunter S Thompson always been in Trailer Park Boys?

They've got SD cards and headphone jacks too.

I don't understand. Do you not know that buying second hand means the company does not get your money?
I bought a second hand Pixel 8 at the end of 2024 just to put GrapheneOS on it, and I also refuse to give Google money.

I bought my Mum a Pixel 8 also this year, and put GrapheneOS on it - also second hand.

Either way, I'm happy for you that you ended up with a private phone, I just don't understand why so many people seem to forget that second hand is a way of not supporting companies.