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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
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ceenote lemmy.world ceenote@lemmy.world
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#2 · (edited) Quote Reply

I feel like I could ask any random guy on the street how many American soldiers have died so far, and they'd tell me 7, but if I asked them how many little girls died when they bombed that school, they'd be like "fake news, we'd never bomb a school."

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Lydia_K lemmy.world Lydia_K@lemmy.world
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I feel like I could ask any random guy on the street how many American soldiers have died so far, and they'd tell me 7, but if I asked them how many little girls died when they bombed that school, they'd be like "fake news, we'd never bomb a school."

Sadly I think you are right.

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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Feel the same way about people wringing their hands over dead US soldiers, as though they're the only people who matter.

A Thai shipping frigate just got hit in the Straight of Hormuz, and I have seen absolutely nobody on national news raise the question of whether any of the crew were injured or killed. Similarly, Israel and the UAE have been incredibly close-mouthed about civilian deaths from Iranian attacks into civilian areas, because they consider it a public embarrassment. Nobody seems to want to talk about the "collateral damage".

And then there's the death toll in Iran itself. I was getting ear-blasted with "Iranian Government Murders 10,000! 20,000! 30,000! people!" for weeks. Suddenly, Iranian deaths don't matter, unless they're high ranking politicians or military figures.

This reeks of the same coverage we got out of Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan, and Ethiopia. National news is entirely contained within jingoistic nationalist terms. We're covering (and increasingly gambling) on the outcome like its a basketball game.

Vile.

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Dionysus leminal.space Dionysus@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-09-13
#5 · Quote Reply

It's missing a 'Live, Laugh, Love' poster in the background.

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Lushed_Lungfish lemmy.ca Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-02-14
#6 · Quote Reply

Feel the same way about people wringing their hands over dead US soldiers, as though they're the only people who matter. A Thai shipping frigate just got hit in the Straight of Hormuz, and I have seen absolutely nobody on national news raise the question of whether any of the crew were injured or killed. Similarly, Israel and the UAE have been incredibly close-mouthed about civilian deaths from...

What is a Thai shipping frigate?

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Bluescluestoothpaste sh.itjust.works Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-05
#7 · Quote Reply

Feel the same way about people wringing their hands over dead US soldiers, as though they're the only people who matter. A Thai shipping frigate just got hit in the Straight of Hormuz, and I have seen absolutely nobody on national news raise the question of whether any of the crew were injured or killed. Similarly, Israel and the UAE have been incredibly close-mouthed about civilian deaths from...

I believe everyone from that Thai ship survived, at least haven't seen casualties mentioned. The boat wasn't like destroyed, but it did get hit by some explosives.

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Bluescluestoothpaste sh.itjust.works Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works
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#8 · Quote Reply

What is a Thai shipping frigate?

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260311-thai-navy-says-cargo-ship-attacked-in-strait-of-hormuz

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Contentedness lemmy.nz Contentedness@lemmy.nz
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#9 · Quote Reply

Credit the artist!

It's yeehawtheboys

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ Moderator yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#10 · Quote Reply

Credit the artist! It's yeehawtheboys

cool, I just saw it on my mastodon feed and had no idea who it was by

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Lucidlethargy sh.itjust.works Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-28
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Yeah, this isn't the western world... This is the prominent assholes in the western world.

Amazingly enough, good and bad people are in all countries and locations. The bad people just tend to be the loudest, and the news loves talking about them because they are also mostly bad people.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ Moderator yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
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Yeah, this isn't the western world... This is the prominent assholes in the western world. Amazingly enough, good and bad people are in all countries and locations. The bad people just tend to be the loudest, and the news loves talking about them because they are also mostly bad people.

There is something to be said about a society that allows the worst of its members to make all the decision. At some point, the rest of the society has to take responsibility for the atrocities said society commits. And that's particularly so in case of western societies which claim to be democracies. You can't have it both ways.

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eldavi lemmy.ml eldavi@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-18
#13 · Quote Reply

Yeah, this isn't the western world... This is the prominent assholes in the western world. Amazingly enough, good and bad people are in all countries and locations. The bad people just tend to be the loudest, and the news loves talking about them because they are also mostly bad people.

it isn't about any individual assholes, it's about a people who foster a culture where this sort of take is considered acceptable.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart piefed.world SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world
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#14 · Quote Reply

I ask this for all americans but what is petrol?

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Sailor Anarres lemmy.dbzer0.com theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-08-22
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Yep disgusting when this is a common take away to hundreds of dead kids.

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jeffep lemmy.world jeffep@lemmy.world
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It's missing a 'Live, Laugh, Love' poster in the background.

*wall tattoo

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jeffep lemmy.world jeffep@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-17
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There is something to be said about a society that allows the worst of its members to make all the decision. At some point, the rest of the society has to take responsibility for the atrocities said society commits. And that's particularly so in case of western societies which claim to be democracies. You can't have it both ways.

Have you looked at any non-western society? Name one that doesn't work like that

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ Moderator yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#18 · Quote Reply

Have you looked at any non-western society? Name one that doesn't work like that

That's pretty easy. Take a look at China, Cuba, Vietnam, DPRK, as just a few examples. None of them are invading countries or plundering the world.

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FoundFootFootage78 lemmy.ml Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml
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ripcord lemmy.world ripcord@lemmy.world
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#20 · Quote Reply

I ask this for all americans but what is petrol?

Lame

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jeffep lemmy.world jeffep@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-17
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That's pretty easy. Take a look at China, Cuba, Vietnam, DPRK, as just a few examples. None of them are invading countries or plundering the world.

Okay, this is one reading of the image, although China does some invading of its own (e.g., Tibet, Hong Kong).

The core point for me is that people are less concerned about the suffering of people far away and strongly concerned with small annoyances in their everyday lives. AFAIKT that's the same in all those countries, didn't see any selfless citizen movements recently to stop the genocide in Sudan for example

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ Moderator yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#22 · Quote Reply

Okay, this is one reading of the image, although China does some invading of its own (e.g., Tibet, Hong Kong). The core point for me is that people are less concerned about the suffering of people far away and strongly concerned with small annoyances in their everyday lives. AFAIKT that's the same in all those countries, didn't see any selfless citizen movements recently to stop the genocide in...

Yeah that's not what invading is bud. Hong Kong is literally part of China that the Brits annexed. Meanwhile, Tibet was liberated from literal slavery. The core point is that it's the western regimes that dominate the world and commit atrocities across the globe on constant basis.

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jeffep lemmy.world jeffep@lemmy.world
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#23 · Quote Reply

Yeah that's not what invading is bud. Hong Kong is literally part of China that the Brits annexed. Meanwhile, Tibet was liberated from literal slavery. The core point is that it's the western regimes that dominate the world and commit atrocities across the globe on constant basis.

Sure bro

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underwater_ghouls77 lemmy.zip underwater_ghouls77@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-23
#24 · Quote Reply

I fucking hate gas powered cars

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skeptomatic lemmy.ca skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-12-26
#25 · Quote Reply

I feel like I could ask any random guy on the street how many American soldiers have died so far, and they'd tell me 7, but if I asked them how many little girls died when they bombed that school, they'd be like "fake news, we'd never bomb a school."

To be fair, some if might be fake news.
Iran has propaganda too.
Don't take this in any way to be pro US or IL.

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HiddenLayer555 lemmy.ml HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-09-13
#26 · Quote Reply

And this is the best case scenario. It's either this or they literally think they're meaningless collateral in the West's noble mission to save the world.

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Jackcooper lemmy.world Jackcooper@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#27 · Quote Reply

Even NPR was leading off with what kind of strikes cause what kind of effect at the gas station

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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#28 · Quote Reply

Sure bro

When you have no counter point but you're too stubborn to admit it

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jeffep lemmy.world jeffep@lemmy.world
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#29 · Quote Reply

When you have no counter point but you're too stubborn to admit it

When you call the invasion of Tibet a liberation from slavery, no further discussion for you bro

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Tolc lemmy.zip clot27@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-04
#30 · Quote Reply

Its horrifying how they consider bombing and killing of brown people as some distraction

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Gal lemmy.world BigMike@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-08
#31 · Quote Reply

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Yes? They literally are?

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Patrikvo lemmy.zip Patrikvo@lemmy.zip
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#32 · Quote Reply

I believe everyone from that Thai ship survived, at least haven't seen casualties mentioned. The boat wasn't like destroyed, but it did get hit by some explosives.

Might have been a warning. Small attack, not intended to actually sink the ship, but enough to warn others Iran is serious about closing the straight.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind lemmy.ml PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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#33 · Quote Reply

And this is the best case scenario. It's either this or they literally think they're meaningless collateral in the West's noble mission to save the world.

NYT literally just said that Iranians like to be bombed

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JackFrostNCola aussie.zone JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-05-23
#34 · Quote Reply

But also like fuck off America, you bitch about petrol prices when you make the majority of your own fuel, your fuel is still comparitively cheap and affected by supply interruptions compared to the rest of the world.
Your not hurting as much as you make out to be on the news, and maybe if you didnt drive cars that use 10L/Km you wouldnt even notice the price change.

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BrainInABox lemmy.ml BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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#35 · (edited) Quote Reply

When you call the invasion of Tibet a liberation from slavery, no further discussion for you bro

When you call getting Hong Kong back from the British empire an "invasion"

no further discussion for you bro

Oh no, I don't get to hear the baseless claims that I've heard a million times from every other clueless western chauvanist.

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Ikon sh.itjust.works Ikon@sh.itjust.works
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#36 · Quote Reply

To be fair, some if might be fake news. Iran has propaganda too. Don't take this in any way to be pro US or IL.

Wild ass take. This isn't something that only Iranian news is reporting. Show some respect for the dead children at the very least.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ Moderator yogthos@lemmy.ml
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#37 · (edited) Quote Reply

When you call the invasion of Tibet a liberation from slavery, no further discussion for you bro

Imagine being such an utter scumbag to think that it's a bad thing that China liberated people of Tibet from this https://www.historicly.net/p/tibet-china-and-the-violent-reaction

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skeptomatic lemmy.ca skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
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#38 · Quote Reply

Wild ass take. This isn't something that only Iranian news is reporting. Show some respect for the dead children at the very least.

Lol. It's not a, "wild ass take", as you so eloquently vomited.
It's more like a pragmatic ass take.
Not sure what you mean about showing these children respect, because that's not how respect works, and certainly you're not the one who decides how respect is doled.
If you mean to say do I care about children, the answer is absolutely and of course, and the guy who pressed the button to launch any weapon to kill innocent children on purpose should have his knob guillotined off.
But that's not my point. I'm talking about propaganda.

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Noel_Skum sh.itjust.works Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
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#39 · Quote Reply

I ask this for all americans but what is petrol?

It’s the English translation of the Spanish word “Gasolina”. Hope that helps.

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FauxLiving lemmy.world FauxLiving@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-10
#40 · Quote Reply

Yes? They literally are?

People like that don't let a little thing like reality get in the way of their performative cynicism.

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araneae beehaw.org araneae@beehaw.org
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#41 · Quote Reply

I ask this for all americans but what is petrol?

Dude, try a bit. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=whats+petrol&ia=web

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prole lemmy.blahaj.zone prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#42 · Quote Reply

Lol. It's not a, "wild ass take", as you so eloquently vomited. It's more like a pragmatic ass take. Not sure what you mean about showing these children respect, because that's not how respect works, and certainly you're not the one who decides how respect is doled. If you mean to say do I care about children, the answer is absolutely and of course, and the guy who pressed the button to launch ...

Neither the US, nor Israel, deserve the benefit of the doubt right now.

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BigBananaDealer lemmy.world BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world
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#43 · Quote Reply

But also like fuck off America, you bitch about petrol prices when you make the majority of your own fuel, your fuel is still comparitively cheap and affected by supply interruptions compared to the rest of the world. Your not hurting as much as you make out to be on the news, and maybe if you didnt drive cars that use 10L/Km you wouldnt even notice the price change.

americans dont bitch about petrol prices

nobody says petrol

its gas

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dandelion lemmy.blahaj.zone dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-03-02
#44 · Quote Reply

But also like fuck off America, you bitch about petrol prices when you make the majority of your own fuel, your fuel is still comparitively cheap and affected by supply interruptions compared to the rest of the world. Your not hurting as much as you make out to be on the news, and maybe if you didnt drive cars that use 10L/Km you wouldnt even notice the price change.

yes, the US is much more insulated from the consequences of its government's actions than other nations, and citizens here have absolutely no awareness of what life is like outside the US (though tbh, I don't think most Americans are aware of what life is like for their fellow citizens - there is a profound capacity to rationalize their own suffering and to victim-blame others for the needless suffering they experience).

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dandelion lemmy.blahaj.zone dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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#45 · (edited) Quote Reply

To be fair, some if might be fake news. Iran has propaganda too. Don't take this in any way to be pro US or IL.

wasn't there a recent investigation and initial confirmation by the Pentagon and NYT that the US was responsible?

of course the motivation and will is there for Iran to stage a "false flag" operation to damage the reputation of the US and present themselves as victims to the rest of the world, but the specifics of this case quickly dispel that notion, such as the school being adjacent to an Iranian navy base, and the school house having been previously used by the navy and only later converted to a school, as well as analysis of footage that confirmed the missile that struck the school was a missile the US has access to but Iran does not ... so it is far more likely the US just didn't update their intel and had old target data.

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TwilitSky lemmy.world TwilitSky@lemmy.world
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#46 · Quote Reply

You think when something bad happens to us Iran is going to feel sorry? No, they'll cheer in the streets like they did 9/11.
I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed, including Iranians, but you're not going to guilt me over worrying about gas prices over a war someone else I didn't vote for is making money off of along with their cronies.

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TwilitSky lemmy.world TwilitSky@lemmy.world
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#47 · Quote Reply

NYT literally just said that Iranians like to be bombed

Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
It should be a must-read for every high schooler but the government absolutely would never allow that.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ Moderator yogthos@lemmy.ml
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#48 · Quote Reply

You think when something bad happens to us Iran is going to feel sorry? No, they'll cheer in the streets like they did 9/11. I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed, including Iranians, but you're not going to guilt me over worrying about gas prices over a war someone else I didn't vote for is making money off of along with their cronies.

Why would they feel sorry for the people who have been trying to destroy their country for decades on end? It's your fascist regime that goes around the world invading countries and murdering people by the millions. Nobody feels pity for you because your your nation is a plague upon the world.

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TwilitSky lemmy.world TwilitSky@lemmy.world
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#49 · Quote Reply

I fucking hate gas powered cars

I fucking hate electric-powered cars.
They don't have the infrastructure set up so you can't do long road trips.
Normal people often don't have the electrical hookup for the car at their home/apartment/workplace.
If you're concerned about the Earth, the implications of lithium mining are outrageous.
The vehicles have a lot of safety issues they shouldn't have at this point in their lifespan.

I'm happy with my Hybrid.

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bridgeenjoyer sh.itjust.works bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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#50 · Quote Reply

Actually true.

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HalfSalesman lemmy.world HalfSalesman@lemmy.world
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#51 · Quote Reply

I hope my fellow countrymen suffer immensely. I want us to be dragged into downright suicide inducing economic despair.

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