Fuck that ai artist watermark

FTFY

iOS users were *nix users 15 years before linux was actually usable

Apple users are the OG Windows haters.

Me being an iOS user and Linux user be like

iOS is the mobile os. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

no?

iOS is not unix like, stop spreading misinformation

If someone tells you they're an iOS user, there's a 99% chance they use Apple products and a 1% chance they're a network admin.

Shit, I'm still waiting for the day macos (I assume that is what we are actually talking about here) is usable.

iOS is a mobile OS

Given Google's current trajectory with Android, I'm not sure the smugness is so warranted unless you either have no phone or you're one of the few that uses a Linux mobile OS. Also, yes I know Android is based on Linux but that isn't stopping Google from locking it down as tightly as iOS

More like the OG "shiny is better" users

Yes

In the 90’s there entire mailing list and Apple paid advocates. Many in my generation used Apple computers in school and carried them forward, when I got to college there were Apple specific computer labs.

I’ve been using Apple computers since 1980, Linux really didn’t become mainstream and usable until the late 90’s

All those shiny Apple 2’s, Macintoshs, Quadra’s, LC’s etc. super shiny beige plastic

I was playing WoW on linux long before the iphone was a twinkle in steve jobs's eye.

Classic Mac OS was not unix like. Mac OS X, which was based on NeXTSTEP was. But that came out in like 2001.

iOS came out in 07

Correct.

IOS is based on Mac OS, which is certified unix.

https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3725.htm

what

iOS is a fork of MacOS, which is actually UNIX

Get your ass on Lineage or GrapheneOS :)

in any self respecting independent posix benchmark MacOS is almost always leading or at least in the top 10% at being the worst one(s) in posix compatibility, iOS completely hides all and any UNIX-like userspace to the end user, MacOS hasn't cared about posix compatibility and unix-likeness more than enough to get a cert to claim posix compatibility and ships outdated versions of many CLI utils and many things in which although outside of POSIX are expected to be in a certain way in unix-like OS which MacOS simply doesnt follow or care at all (e.g basic FHS, /home etc...)

WoW was introduced in 04 or 05 and the first iPhone was 07 depending on how you trace iPhone lineage that’s not exactly correct.

If we trace iPhone back via PDA’s we have to start talking Newton which was out by the early to mid 90’s so it predates Steve’s return so it was definitely a twinkle in his eyes.

I used Gentoo in that timeframe and it wasn’t exactly a simple process to get any Linux running on a laptop (desktops were different I’m sure) which is why I used Gentoo. I figured if I was going to have to search and compile shit I might as well compile the whole thing.

When I can finally get a Motorola Graphene phones, iOS is gone.

I use iOS (tablet), Android (phone), Linux (main), MacOS (music and media), and Windows (corporate client support). Of the bunch, I only hate Windows.

You know, over the last few years, I've gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life, and they're even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven't made it to Linux yet.

Apple is a pretty easy 2nd place in most areas, 1st for laptops specifically. Windows & ChromeOS can fight for 3rd but they're miles below macOS and Linux.

/e/os W 🥱

Windows gives me more control over my machine, but iOS actually works, and gives me the UNIX-like command line. Still sticking with Linux though because it gives me even more control.

Windows was less shitty in the 90s too

I wouldn’t know

My bank has a website I can use to bank through, I dont even need an app.

Yet over here as someone who has used macOS professionally for over a decade, I feel like I'm watching the slow deterioration of the operating system as they ignore the wants and wishes of professional users and make the whole thing more and more like a mobile OS with every update.

And at the same time it feels like the number of bugs and broken features which Apple were historically careful to control are getting worse as they prioritise moving fast over being robust.

They are still outperforming Microsoft in every user-centric metric IMO (and by a long way) but the current trajectory absolutely feels like things are getting worse, not better.

But I mean, really, it's all in what software you use. I used iOS with Linux for a while with KDE and KDE Connect along with Tailscale to connect the two with amazing results. Its not all bad. I like Android + Linux better, but iOS + Linux is definitely doable, at least it's not iOS + Windows.

I’m an iOS user too. I’d switch the day there’s a nice little Android smartphone that’s compatible with a Google-free OS (and by “little,” I mean under 5.8 inches, I don’t have giant hands).

I think they mean this meme would make more sense if it said MacOS.

Idk if that argument still applies thanks to windows 11. They're making control over your machine more and more restricted and more AI controlled. Really hate the way windows is going.

As a Linux user I feel attacked. 😝

Tips Fedora

I am curious to know what features you're referring to. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm relatively new to the Mac train after all and I tend to not be as plugged into the Apple community because uh...well you know. The only thing I've heard is some people not liking liquid glass for a potential performance hit, but I haven't seen any tbh. They're also dumping Rosetta soon but I think it's been a reasonable enough amount of time.

M'lady

No but for real, that was one of the main reasons it took me so long to test Fedora. I associated fedoras (and Linux in general) with sweaty basement dwellers for many years. Not to mention "red hat" has a different connotation than it did in the 90s. Yeesh. But I'm glad I got over it, Fedora works the best for my needs and Linux isn't nearly as hard as it's made out to be. Might try Cachy at some point though.

I think macOS is more like quality garbage. There's actual development happening there. It's still garbage, but you know. It's garbage that stray cats would eat

I think you mean to say macOS. iOS is the mobile OS and doesn't have CLI (by default).

I may not like Apple, but I have to admit it's better than anything from Microslop. Low bar, I know.

For me it's mostly small but annoying issues.

Wifi refusing to connect to some access points with no indication of why. Keyboard shortcut to change desktop spaces stops working when USB monitor is connnected. That sort of annoyance that never used to happen.

And then just the general direction of travel. More AI. Getting increasingly difficult to install unverified apps. User consent still seems to be there and things are usually opt in and not out (which is great) but the nudge towards cloud is just that bit stronger all the time, and every update I'm watching for shenanigans.

If you're new to macOS and coming from Windows then everything probably seems pretty awesome in comparison - and it is - but I don't have the same trust as I used to.

Spicy!

They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life

/me side-eyes macOS Tahoe

WiFi I can't say I have a lot of experience with, just my home and work, and those work. One is 5 GHz, one is 2.4 GHz.

The keyboard shortcut to switch spaces works for me. So does the trackpad 3 finger gesture and magic mouse swipe. I'm on the latest update but it's never not worked. USB-c monitor.

I also hate that direction, but that's just tech right now unfortunately. Apple seems to be resisting most of it. Apple Intelligence is half assed at best, and not forced upon you. I forget it is there. Really just so they can say they did something Ai related for investors without actually wasting too much money.

Linux is better for telemetry obviously, and there should be zero, but again Apple is far ahead of everyone else, and mostly only strengthened their commitments, with some VERY noticeable exceptions like client side scanning in the UK. Even privacy enthusiasts like Michael Bazzel recommend it for privacy and security if you are too tech illiterate or need it for work stuff. After changing settings of course.

Storage options are abysmal but luckily there are encrypted cloud options, you don't have to use Apple's. I'm glad I am not limited to buying Apple's storage, I need it for my data hoard at home. For work though it doesn't impact me, cloud is better in fact.

"Unverified" apps is complete bullshit, you got me there. Everyone else seems to be pushing it too besides Microsoft and Linux. I will be PISSED if they take it away the same way they do on iOS, and I'm hoping the App Store monopoly lawsuits go somewhere.

Have you ran into issues with Tahoe?