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Under British and UK Legislation anyone using or developing end-to-end encryption is now a “hostile actor”
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hector lemmy.today hector@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-09-03
#102 · Quote Reply

if im alone in my car, i'll just start talking gibberish or about that time i kicked a cyber-dolphin through the moon. just in case the man is training some ai on what my phone's microphone picks up.

The speedquack cyrocrunk failed, need pryoram ciclicogram asap,

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SilentKnight1369 lemmy.world SilentKnight1369@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-19
#103 · Quote Reply

This is actually bonkers and goes to show that governments are loosing this battle, this just means that no matter what we cant stop.

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anthony lemmy.canthonyscott.io anthony@lemmy.canthonyscott.io
Joined: 2026-02-20
#104 · Quote Reply

So google, amazon and Microsoft are hostile actors.every cloud provider is an enemy of uk government. They have gardeners (at best) or lawyers ( most probably), which did their own research.before writing these abominations. At the same time, they want to give all medical datas in the NHS to palantir. This is the apoteosis of incompetence.

All those companies willingly hand over our data when asked. At this point it's almost a feature

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Lor mander.xyz Lor@mander.xyz
Joined: 2026-01-17
#105 · Quote Reply

Wtaf?

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Chais sh.itjust.works Chais@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-12
#106 · Quote Reply

No-one's invading Lincolnshire then.

Easier, not possible.

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reabsorbthelight lemmy.world reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-12-16
#107 · Quote Reply

Do you have a link to the law?

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87Six lemmy.zip 87Six@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-09-19
#108 · Quote Reply

Not sure which one is dumber

The USA or UK

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#109 · Quote Reply

So google, amazon and Microsoft are hostile actors.every cloud provider is an enemy of uk government. They have gardeners (at best) or lawyers ( most probably), which did their own research.before writing these abominations. At the same time, they want to give all medical datas in the NHS to palantir. This is the apoteosis of incompetence.

So google, amazon and Microsoft are hostile actors

Obviously not. They're happy to give MI5 a backdoor into all their systems.

This is the apoteosis of incompetence.

The age old question - malicious or stupid.

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Redvenom retrolemmy.com Redvenom@retrolemmy.com
Joined: 2026-02-18
#110 · Quote Reply

So every financial institution and everyone using WhatsApp

I think whatsapp it's already sharing chats with a few governments

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bluefootedbooby sopuli.xyz bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-07-22
#111 · Quote Reply

If i remember correctly, a few weeks ago a government party had their signal chat leaked. Those people have since ceased using signal right?

Did they also invite a journalist to the group chat?

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attero discuss.tchncs.de attero@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-05-01
#112 · Quote Reply

There's a common saying in Germany that applies.
Die spinnen, die Britten
Basically translates to: "Those Brits are crazy", but the literal translation would be: "The Brits are spinning" (yarn).

Obelix knows best.

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Ulrich feddit.org Ulrich@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-12-22
#113 · Quote Reply

There's no problem with Signal's encryption. It's the same issue with any and to end encryption scheme, at either end is a person who can very easily copy and paste everything that has been said in the conversation and send it off to anybody they wish.

No one said there was

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Ulrich feddit.org Ulrich@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-12-22
#114 · (edited) Quote Reply

This was written in 1993? Huh, I keep seeing cyber punks around in different contexts too, like some music mixes from some cyber punk festival at least. In the old days, the British Empire steamed open everyone's mail and read it, at least coming from the colonies like India.

Cyberpunk is an aesthetic style.

Cypherpunk is not.

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el_abuelo programming.dev el_abuelo@programming.dev
Joined: 2024-07-18
#115 · Quote Reply

Not sure which one is dumber The USA or UK

Yes.

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douglasg14b lemmy.world douglasg14b@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#116 · Quote Reply

TLS is not typically considered end-to-end encryption. It's transport encryption.

Do they strictly define end to end encryption in this bill?

If not, then yes, TLS is "end to end" as the sender encrypts the message, and the receiver decrypts it. Each "end" to each "end" is encrypted, satisfying the semantics of the term.

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douglasg14b lemmy.world douglasg14b@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#117 · (edited) Quote Reply

E2E is about the sender encrypting, and only the intended receiver decrypting, with nothing in the middle able to read the data. TLS is not designed for that, as the server you connect to is not necessarily the intended receiver, yet it can see everything. With E2E, you can send data to a server, which is not the intended receiver, and it won't be able to read it.

Your explanation assumes that scope and scale are part of the definition which it is not.

If you keep zooming in or zooming out the definition of E2E keeps changing under your statement.

If the only knowledge a system has is between a sender and a receiver (Which satisfies even your definition of "intended recipient") then TLS is E2E encrypted.

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youmaynotknow lemmy.zip jjlinux@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-07-24
#118 · Quote Reply

What I see here is that the UK is a hostile entity towards humanity. So, fuck the UK government and all their parties. Since we're here, fuck the French government as well, just in case.

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silasmariner programming.dev silasmariner@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-07-01
#119 · Quote Reply

This is actually bonkers and goes to show that governments are loosing this battle, this just means that no matter what we cant stop.

https://blog.giovanh.com/blog/2025/10/14/a-hack-is-not-enough/ this article makes a sadly excellent point in response to you here. Fair warning: it's long. But even if you dip out early I assume you'll get the point being made

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Tinidril midwest.social Tinidril@midwest.social
Joined: 2023-06-07
#120 · Quote Reply

This is actually bonkers and goes to show that governments are loosing this battle, this just means that no matter what we cant stop.

It's not really wrong though. This kind of legislation certainly makes me hostile.

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betanumerus lemmy.ca betanumerus@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-02-22
#121 · Quote Reply

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Buckshot programming.dev Buckshot@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-27
#122 · Quote Reply

Do you have a link to the law?

It's from this report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/69411a3eadb5707d9f33d7e8/E03512978_-_Un-Act_The_National_Security_Act_in_2024_Accessible.pdf

I emailed my MP about this before Christmas and am yet to get a reply

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Finalsolo963 lemmy.blahaj.zone Finalsolo963@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-02-16
#123 · Quote Reply

I am trans and a U.S citizen, the UK govt cannot comprehend how hostile I can towards it.

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ArmchairAce1944 discuss.online ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
Joined: 2025-07-02
#124 · Quote Reply

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For their own use they have one that would have been a simple off the shelf option for others.

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JackbyDev programming.dev JackbyDev@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-13
#125 · Quote Reply

I am trans and a U.S citizen, the UK govt cannot comprehend how hostile I can towards it.

Hell yeah

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Kilgore Trout feddit.it kilgore_trout@feddit.it
Joined: 2022-06-21
#126 · Quote Reply

It's from this report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/69411a3eadb5707d9f33d7e8/E03512978_-_Un-Act_The_National_Security_Act_in_2024_Accessible.pdf I emailed my MP about this before Christmas and am yet to get a reply

That is irritating. Consider writing anew.

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JackbyDev programming.dev JackbyDev@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-13
#127 · Quote Reply

Even the US used to ban the export of strong encryption algorithms. You used to have to download the stronger encryption algorithms separately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Cryptography_Extension

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iglou programming.dev iglou@programming.dev
Joined: 2025-05-12
#128 · Quote Reply

Your explanation assumes that scope and scale are part of the definition which it is not. If you keep zooming in or zooming out the definition of E2E keeps changing under your statement. If the only knowledge a system has is between a sender and a receiver (Which satisfies even your definition of "intended recipient") then TLS is E2E encrypted.

The definition of E2EE has evolved since the concept surfaced. You seem to be stuck with the original meaning.

TLS does not fit the modern definition.

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matlag sh.itjust.works matlag@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-01
#129 · Quote Reply

Protectind yourself from beind spied on and then potentially blackmailed is a hostile behavior!

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Alwaysnownevernotme lemmy.world Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-13
#130 · Quote Reply

Look mate yaint paid ya proivocy loicence fer ages.

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nonentity sh.itjust.works nonentity@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-12
#131 · Quote Reply

If they’re not doing anything wrong, they don’t need to read private communications.

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mnemonicmonkeys sh.itjust.works mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-17
#132 · Quote Reply

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Seems appropriate, since the game was invented by brits and the Imperium is an unholy amalgamation of the Roman and British Empires

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Aqarius lemmy.world Aqarius@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#133 · Quote Reply

Protectind yourself from beind spied on and then potentially blackmailed is a hostile behavior!

...to the blackmailer, yes.

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m3t00🌎🇺🇦 lemmy.world m3t00@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-01
#134 · Quote Reply

https has got to go

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EldritchFemininity lemmy.blahaj.zone EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-11-22
#135 · Quote Reply

Cyberpunk is an aesthetic style. Cypherpunk is not.

Cyberpunk is a genre first and foremost. A critique of capitalism set in a corporate dystopia with transhumanist themes.

A lot of the aesthetic is rooted in the culture of the time period that it was created in (the 80s). The cultural fear, more specifically. A time where American corporations, and by extension the US government and population, were afraid of the Japanese economic boom and saw a future where the dollar was replaced by the yen and Japanese supplanted English as the lingua franca of the world, Japanese culture was exported the way American culture is, and Americans started eating their meals with chopsticks instead of forks.

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mlg lemmy.world mlg@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#136 · Quote Reply

sneak up into a dark street corner at night

"Ay you got that ed25519?"

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jeffep lemmy.world jeffep@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-17
#137 · Quote Reply

No clue where that is from and if it's already in effect, but what's marked here only talks about developers, not users. Still, what a world to live in

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hydroptic sopuli.xyz hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-07-17
#138 · Quote Reply

Not sure which one is dumber The USA or UK
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helvetpuli sopuli.xyz helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-13
#139 · Quote Reply

Not as long as UK is the root CA, I suppose.

Normally the certificate signing authority should never see, not need to see anybody's private key, so no.

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ulterno programming.dev ulterno@programming.dev
Joined: 2024-11-12
#140 · Quote Reply

Normally the certificate signing authority should never see, not need to see anybody's private key, so no.

But they can, taking help from the DNS (or ISP), send you to a fake website.

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buddascrayon lemmy.world buddascrayon@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-28
#141 · Quote Reply

Well, yes, generally the recipient of a message has to get access to its content.

Not running down Signal or any other e2ee client out there. But there are in fact ways to prevent the recipient from retaining and, at least via the device they are using to receive the messages, copying the data within messages. Several banking apps actually include such measures. And perhaps even having a Mission Impossible-esque self destruct on the message where it re-encrypts and then deletes the messages after they have been viewed is a viable way to prevent retention. It would not prevent somebody from using another device to snap a picture of the information in the message, but it would definitely cut down on people's ability to easily leak private conversations that are intended to stay that way.

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HrabiaVulpes lemmy.world HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-10
#142 · Quote Reply

Bar to become enemy of British crown is getting lower and lower...

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#143 · Quote Reply

Welcome to the resistance

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#144 · Quote Reply

Look mate yaint paid ya proivocy loicence fer ages.

I paid it, but the transaction was private. Have a nice day.

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#145 · Quote Reply

I am trans and a U.S citizen, the UK govt cannot comprehend how hostile I can towards it.

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#146 · Quote Reply

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Dad?

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#147 · Quote Reply

Gee why does the capitalist oligopoly fear communication they can't monitor it's not like they are doing anything wrong and have anything to fear from little old us

The autonomous murder bots are not complete yet

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#148 · Quote Reply

So they're happy for us to read all their messages, right?

I heard reddit sends out warnings for updating certain comments these days.

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m3t00🌎🇺🇦 lemmy.world m3t00@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-01
#149 · Quote Reply

always wanted to be a hostile witness

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#150 · (edited) Quote Reply

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They choose force your hand. Draw the line where you wish. They will arrive at it given enough time.

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Frenchgeek lemmy.ml Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-08-31
#151 · Quote Reply

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The whole government is currently using the famous ROT26 encryption algorithm.

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