I'm working on it. Maybe. Well, one day. Like when other Left of centre, anti trump, anti corpo type folks oppose the things I oppose in correct manner and degree, duh.

A friend of mine designed this for me to reflect my taste in politics. I've had them made into stickers 💚

I hate Trump but think democrats are the only party that are in a position to save us from him.

Thoughts?

I agree, but only because the media is so tightly controlled by the ruling class.

If a new media platform broke out that they did not have control over, and a reasonable left third party took control of that platform, and many people ran to it, basically if, you know, you could win the lottery twice while being struck by lightning and getting hit by a falling meteorite, then a third party could actually emerge and win.

But with them owning Twitter and Facebook and Reddit and Instagram and WhatsApp and every single news station on the planet, there's just no way to communicate what the world could be like to the people who would vote for the better world.

Most of my friends don’t share the exact beliefs I do in regards to pretty much anything, doesn’t mean we can’t get together and yell at each other about it over a few beers around the campfire.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

I think on the Left we're our own worst enemy. Our far Left folks want to reject everything when it's imperfect/centrist etc whereas thr Far Right seem fine working with government etc and end up advancing their aims.

Personally, I'm also not sure how widely embraced our more socialist tendencies would get us. In a pretty Left leaning city like NY, Mamdami ran pretty much as our wet dream candidate and still couldn't hit 50% of the votes. And I think that our inability to see that a majority of the country may not agree with us really skews our perceptions.

Oh absolutely. Heck, a good number of my friends are conservative.

I think maybe a lot of the nuance and consideration doesn't translate well to strangers online, so instead of seeking to understand we flip to fighting and without the context of a good friendship, we don't really know how to navigate those arguments online.

(Also, we don't have that filter of "oh, just don't get into X with Janet, you know she'll start yelling" for folks. Sp double whammy.)

One of the most interesting things I noticed about the fediverse is that while I disagree very heartily on politics with a number of people I rarely disagree with them on everything, even most things really. There's few enough users that you're going to see people you have tagged, after they've said crazy or insane shit, who then go on to make points you agree with 100%. It's very odd. I guess it's why the fediverse feels more genuine to me.

Maybe the other place was just more absolute bots trying to push specific agendas. Cause it seemed way different there.

I mean this with all kindness but the fact that nobody has banned you is probably the reason the fediverse won't catch on.

What's the point of avoiding corporate social media if the human powered kind is adopting their same tolerance for toxicity.

I disagree with political parties entirely. We must unite and fight, but I guess we gotta start somewhere, and that may be with the Democrats.

I have had a very similar observation based on a feature of Voyager that shows you the total upvotes you have given a user, net of downvotes, next to their name.

In addition to what you observe, I’ve also saved myself from being too dismissive or reading a comment more carefully based on that number at least being an indication that I’ve had good interactions with this person in the past.

Politics is always the great divider, but on Reddit it was enough to get a full pile-on going to the point that the human was lost and the only thing that mattered was winning the point.

Here? Yeah you get pile-ons, but markedly less so, and it's easier to not take personally 10 people disagreeing with you instead of 100. Perhaps this will change with time as Lemmy gets more popular

NEW USER: "I came to Lemmy because Reddit permabanned me for saying puppies and kittens are cute."

Then I find myself looking at their comment/post history because that doesn't really sound like a normal thing anybody would get banned for. And after seeing what they post/comment here, I think to myself "I disagree with permabanning people, but I think I understand why it might've been done."

Ahahaha, yeah I'm instantly a little suspicious when someone says they got permabanned for "nothing, absolutely nothing!"

Ooooh that's a neat metric to help! I've been using an ever expanding system of notes but it's much more labour intensive than that!

Oooof, I'm going to hope that's based in general on the meme!

If that is based on past experience, happy to learn more etc. I generally try to act as a reasonably conscientious fedizen, and basically try to stay in my own lane (though my lane does include memes etc I make...)

not just disagree, disagree SLIGHTLY YOU DIRTY FUCKERS WHY ARE YOU NOT MY POLITICAL MIRROR

i mean part of why i exist is to say crazy shit. i am not entirely here let's be honest.

UK also has winner takes all elections, yet "third parties" have substantially more traction over there.

Lol yes based on the meme!

If you have multiple accounts, which most of us probably do for stability reasons, it also aggregates everything across them so vote counts and user tags still show up on brand new accounts.

It’s very very nice.

Whatever your side is, it's the wrong one.

Look if you losers just accept that I am actually right about everything and no one has any grounds to challenge my beliefs things will be much better for all of us /s

Nice name

God that's such a cool feature. Jerboa was by far the best app when I joined lemmy but it's really been surpassed.

I don't think democrats are even all that interested in preventing fascism. Establishment liberals don't have a good track record of beating fascism and I don't think we should keep making the mistake of expecting them to do so.

They’re more interested than Jill Stein and get more votes the Rachelle Fruit so I’d say they can be worked with.

I guess I am just not expecting to defeat fascism through electoral politics. It didn't really work before and I don't see any reason for it to work now.

It didn’t work because we voted the dictator in.

Just admit you got permabanned for saying we should normalize punching nazis, it's nothing to be ashamed of. It's why we're all here.

My experience on Lemmy as very milque toast center left person has been pretty horrible so far, ngl. I hadn't even been here two weeks before I had to block most instances and several insane users who accused me of being a fascist for having the most normal, basic bitch takes. Something as simple as "I'm looking for non political instances because all this angry politics is exhausting and it is bleeding into everything on here" is apparently fascism.

The rest of Lemmy blocked me for transphobia because I suggested that trans men and trans women have their own categories in professional sports in order to make it more equal and safe for everybody.

I'm really only still here because I like the Danish feddit and enjoy popping in on the ADHD meme forum to chat with likeminded chaotics.

The rest of this whole network of forums feels like I'm walking on even more eggshells than I did the on reddit.

Look, it takes time to change your views. Reddit is a right wing hell hole and your political beliefs reflect that.

This doesn’t wholly make you a bad person but, perhaps, try to learn more about why you’re getting such a strong reaction to your political opinions.

Your views on trans people for example are pretty out of date, there’s no legitimate reason to create a trans sporting league to make sport “safe”.

Sure but fascism isn't just one dude. Them not getting elected doesn't end fascism. We already have fascist in our government. They're in our police force, military, local administrations, legislature, and judicial system. Many of them own significant portions of our national economy, some of them even have international capital. Fascists are willing to cheat, lie, and kill for power. You can't stop that with a single election or even a series of them. If you think that you can then you have vastly underestimated our enemy.

The nazis lost elections before they won them. They didn't go away after losing, they got stronger.

Fascists need to be identified and purged fron official positions, the financial assets of bourgeois fascists should be seized, and most importantly the material conditions (poverty mostly) that made fascism appealing to millions of people need to be resolved. I don't think democrats are willing to do this.

Biden and Obama were making life better while Trump is speedrunning everything you’re saying about everyone else.

I honestly don't understand how either of those people are relevant to what I said and idk what you mean by "everything you're saying about everyone else". I wasn't referring to any specific people or any actions those unspecified people are currently taking.

My comment was regarding the current level of fascist power, the inadequacy of elections to eliminate them as a threat, the historical effectiveness of elections in regard to the nazis, and actions that could be effective at stopping fascism.

Biden and Obama were democrats while Trump is a fascist.

I can understand it being confusing if you’re wondering how it’s relevant to what you’re saying instead try reading what I’m saying and you’ll see how it fits.

Are you genuinely implying that biden and obama not be fascists makes them inherently good and effective at stopping fascism? I read what you were saying and it didn't make any sense to me so I asked and I think it'd be cool if you explained things instead of adding obstacles to communication

Not being a fascist is much better than being one if you’re trying to stop it.

Sure but normally fascists seize power from liberals or have it handed to them so being liberals doesn't make them an inherently effective obstacle to fascism. I feel you are being purposefully obtuse and will be disengaging.

Fascists seize power from liberals because those are the two parties in the two party system.

If you don’t have an argument for that I understand why you’d disengage.

I got permabanned from instances because I hurt a snowflake admins feelings by arguing against them.

shit made my day because I was still able to call them idiots, just not on their instance.

I don't feel the need to change my views. I think the problem is that on reddit and Lemmy and most other places on the internet these days, there is only room for one valueset and depending where you are, you either have to agree with all the most extreme rightwing opinions or the most extreme leftwing opinions, else you are labeled whatever they see as evil.

I don't feel the need to adopt the doctrine and join the church of the extreme right or the extreme left to be seen as a "wholly good" person.

I agree as long as you agree with me.

I agree

I was once permabanned on a couple of subreddits I had never visited before because I had commented on a thread in a sub they apparently didn't like. It was called Kotaku and I had never heard of it before. Just saw a movie thread and commented because I love movies. The thing I hated the most about reddit was the expectation that everybody were as terminally online as the mods were. Not my fault a sub pops up in my feed and I decide to comment on the topic.

Was likewise permabanned from the true childfree subreddit for making a post where I wanted to talk to people about the thoughts and doubts that comes with being childfree. I was going through some things at the time and just wanted to talk to likeminded people. Permabanned for "trolling".

And finally was permabanned for racism on a sub where the topic was the little mermaid remake and I mentioned that I thought Halle Bailey deserved better than to work for Disney. Had followed her and her sister's youtube channel on/off since 2014 and really liked their voices and I didn't want a young artist to be chewed up and spit out by one of the worst entertainment companies ever. I still love her and Chloe's cover of Say Something and think it is better than the original.

So yeah, sometimes you get permabanned for literally no reason or a made up reason. I had no sad feelings when I left reddit. I absolutely hated the mods on most subs. None of them seemed to have lived in the real world for years.

Good, I’ll put my gun away now.

The rest of lemmy blocked you for transphobia because you shared transphobic views, views that are not based in reality. If you are going to suggest something which concerns the treatment and rights of a group which is currently being oppressed and targeted worldwide, please ensure that you are doing so based on facts rather than vibes.

I can empathise with wanting to disengage from political discourse from time to time.

But some just go to such an extreme I find it difficult to not have the insults that were hurled at me in the back of my head, even on takes where I do agree with them. Like, yeah, I agree with you, but you did call me an imperial pig and a fascist so fuck you anyway.