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Shellofbiomatter
lemmus.org
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.orgJoined: 2026-03-04 |
It still is more populated and has a lot higher activity, which suits slightly better for doomscrolling. Lemmy needs to get slightly more popular. It's like coming from a convention Hall full of people and going into a minimally occupied hotel. |
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Imaginary_Stand4909
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-03-21 |
I'll have to take your word for it
I'm no heritage Tumblr user, I didn't have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I'd say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist's post eventually will get a "Are you open for comms?" post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bots DMming people. But like in terms of real people posting? I don't even know if I've ever had a bot post come up on my feed, for both the following feed and "for you" feed. Plus Tumblr does have an option to look at chronological posts and you can actually reach the end of the page eventually! We all recently rioted and got the staff to revert a shitty twitter-like update within a day or so, which was nice. I still want wafrn to improve and replace Tumblr so we can escape the PoS CEO, but alas. |
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hitmyspot
aussie.zone
hitmyspot@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Why do you expect they will be unlikely to infect larger instances?
They will still infect them but they will be more obvious. An unusual comment, you don't know it's a bot. Hundreds of unusual comments and doesn't engage with the local community. It's a bot. It's partly why online discourse is toxic. There is a disconnect with th real world and online and no social stigma. On a small community instances there is. The problem though, will be trying to manage which isntances need to be blocked as they are rampant with bota. If the fediverse grows and there are lots of smaller communities,.it will be harder to keep track. Currently it's small and most instances with active users are familiar. |
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idiomaddict
lemmy.world
idiomaddict@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-16 |
I'm no heritage Tumblr user, I didn't have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I'd say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist's post eventually will get a "Are you open for comms?" post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bo...
I just can’t read it as anything other than warfarin- how’s it supposed to be pronounced? |
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NihilsineNefas
slrpnk.net
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-06-19 |
Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn't ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on. Or that the website which accidentally admitted "the most reddit addicted city" is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams... Where was I going with this? Hmm must be nothing. |
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Imaginary_Stand4909
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-03-21 |
I just can’t read it as anything other than warfarin- how’s it supposed to be pronounced?
I say it like waffle + urn (or fern) = wahfern I just know it's supoosed to be an acronym for "We Allow Female Representing Nipples" as a joking response to Tumblr's porn ban, which removed posts with "Female Representing Nipples" |
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GreenShimada
lemmy.world
GreenShimada@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-12-22 |
Reddit CEO: "What? We can't sell user data on our increasingly punitive and terrible site because the bots keep fucking up the models trained on that data? Hold my beer..." |
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Shellofbiomatter
lemmus.org
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.orgJoined: 2026-03-04 |
The moment you state a fact or something that the folks at Reddit don't like, you'll get banned. And it will be a deep ban. You create a new account on same device without sanitizing it , use same network without VPN or join the same subs right after signup, you'll get another ban. Best way is to signup on a device, browser and network you never used before, use VPN if you use the same network....
That's good to know. Few specifying questions, if you don't mind. On the part without VPN. Wouldn't that get a usual ban? Or it's already beyond that scanning timeframe after 10d. And you mentioned browser. Is it specifically browser and app usage must be avoided or was it just an irrelevant word choice and app can be used as well? Additionally, wouldn't just aging the account by 30d work or the no activity part still gets flagged by the system? |
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auntieclokwise
lemmy.world
auntieclokwise@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-23 |
Yeah they have really gone over the top with enforcing R1. Upvoting is already enough to get banned as it falls under sharing and it doesn't have to actually mention any harm to the individual, just reference R1.
I mean, I got a 3 day ban (R1) for joking that we should shoot robot dogs guarding AI datacenters. It's literally not one of the categories that is even supposed to apply - it's neither a person, nor a place, nor some kind of animal. And that was my second account after my first got banned for similar sorts of jokes (yes, some were people, all were obviously jokes). Yeah, they're going crazy overboard with enforcement on that. Subreddits need to start moving over now. |
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auntieclokwise
lemmy.world
auntieclokwise@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-23 |
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They're already doing that: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279 |
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dotCody
lemmy.world
dotCody@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-02-12 Banned |
Fuck /u/spez |
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Wilco
lemmy.zip
Wilco@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Im not doing it! What are they gonna do? Ban me? |
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PolarKraken
lemmy.dbzer0.com
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-03-31 |
Yes and I got it earlier; it's just hard to resist responding based on stereotypes. Lol
Same, just commiserating over here. |
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KyuubiNoKitsune
lemmy.blahaj.zone
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-06-18 |
Goodbye 99% of reddit users.
You'll be surprised at how okay people are with mass surveillance if it encroaches on their addiction |
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utopiah
lemmy.ml
utopiah@lemmy.ml Joined: 2022-01-17 |
Pretty sure it dates back to the dawn of commerce.
Indeed, when I read this parent comment I had in mind a snake oil salesman in Lucky Luke (Doc Doxey's Elixir, volume 38) |
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python
lemmy.world
python@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn't ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on. Or that the website which accidentally admitted "the most reddit addicted city" is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams... Where was I going with this? Hmm...
Okay, but wouldn't it be kind of funny if every AI face generator suddenly started producing faces that look like Redditors? |
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
lemmy.world
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on Okay, but wouldn't it be kind of funny if every AI face generator suddenly started producing faces that look like Redditors?
Why does every generated face have a neckbeard and fedora? |
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Sisyphe
lemmy.world
Sisyphe@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-19 |
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Programman4233
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Programman4233@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-10-21 |
Is there a reason to expect bots won't overwhelm Lemmy as well?
This is the real question here. Especially with advanced AI, it might be difficult to spot bot accounts. |
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yabbadabaddon
lemmy.zip
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-02-02 |
Where is the link so I can read about it |
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thenewy0u
lemmy.ml
thenewy0u@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-03-23 |
It is only unlikely if no one knows about lemmy. I found it yesterday and will keep shilling it on reddit until they ban me over there. From then on I will stay here. Edit: typos |
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developer
lemmy.world
developer@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-22 |
yikes |
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sunbytes
lemmy.world
sunbytes@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Astroturfing is only allowed from premium accounts. |
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Alaknár
sopuli.xyz
Alaknar@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-06-29 |
I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution). The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they figured out how to VPN through the Netherlands. There are whole communities where bots discuss bot-posted content. And I have no doubt in my mind that it will also happen on Lemmy as soon as there's even a hint of profit* to be found. * "profit" not as in "monetary gain", but as "any kind of gain, be it money, influence, propaganda, chaos", etc., etc. |
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BilSabab
lemmy.world
BilSabab@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
Reddit should crack down on human users instead! Let Reddit be AI Bot Exclusive space! |
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zemon
lemmy.ml
zemon@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-06 |
Once R brcomes unusable without this, I'm leaving it completely. I just hope many will do the same. |
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NihilsineNefas
slrpnk.net
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-06-19 |
selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on Okay, but wouldn't it be kind of funny if every AI face generator suddenly started producing faces that look like Redditors?
I mean they already put Epstein and Kirk in there... |
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kamayatu24
lemmy.world
kamayatu24@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-03-03 |
Reddit should crack down on human users instead! Let Reddit be AI Bot Exclusive space!
Reddit is no longer for humans. So yes, the situation is pretty dire. |
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BilSabab
lemmy.world
BilSabab@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
Reddit is no longer for humans. So yes, the situation is pretty dire.
and yet tech bros scrape it for model training and content research. i used to like AskPhilosophy and the likes back when it wasn't wackjob agora for clinically insane (a decade ago in not more?) but seeing that shit getting mined is baffling because it is basically a deliberate data contamination. |
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IEatDaFeesh
lemmy.world
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-16 |
Have you considered changing instances?
I just block people. That's much more effective. |
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Raven
lemmy.org
raven@lemmy.orgJoined: 2026-03-10 |
Well, it depends on the user. To some, its worth it. And to some it doesn't. Its about the community size. |
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Reddit has had a big problem for a long time, and it has probably only gotten worse. I wouldn't know, because I, an actual human with an opinion, was permabanned in the post-Inauguration bloodbath. So let the bots run wild, and finish destroying Reddit. |
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Raven
lemmy.org
raven@lemmy.orgJoined: 2026-03-10 |
That's good to know. I was wondering and testing the exact pattern to avoid shadowbans. I'm just bored after getting permabanned and got curious what methods they use to give out shadowbans. Few specifying questions, if you don't mind. On the part without VPN. Wouldn't that get a usual ban? Or it's already beyond that scanning timeframe after 10d. And you mentioned browser. Is it specifically b...
It's complex to answer. Reddit's permanent ban is too strict. They look at your IP address, cookies, local storage, your linked IDs if you linked them (phone number, email address, Google account, Apple ID, etc.), browser metadata, your digital fingerprint like WebGL data, WiFi BSSID, the app also keeps a note of the IMEI number of your device. And I've read this somewhere that their AI moderation keeps an eye on your language that you type in, the words you use often and activity timing. I am not sure about this claim but they probably do it. System links all these activities with accounts that have banned in the past and if they find more than 5-7 very obvious links, you get another ban. The system stays on high alert for first 10 days of suspicious activity on your account. It gradually lowers the flagging by 30 days but its still a risky zone. One mistake and it picks the flag. You have to clean your browser before you use it again on your main browser. Uninstall and reinstall in many cases, clearing any session data, cookies and even %TEMP% files and cache files from your root folder. I am not sure about the app though, a friend of mine had a secondary phone where he used Reddit, he was able to evade the ban only by factory data resetting the device and then installing the app from a new Google Account. I never really used the app, I am not a phone person, I use my laptop most of the times so don't know how the app thing works. |
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LincolnsDogFido
lemmy.zip
LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-02-18 |
Mine was for suggesting Biden drone strike SCOTUS justices immediately after they ruled that the president is effectively above the law. I wasn't advocating for Biden to do anything illegal! 🤣
Well that depends. Were you suggesting that he do that officially or unofficially? |
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zebidiah
lemmy.ca
zebidiah@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-04-01 |
how many of us noped the fuck outa there when they tried to force their garbage app on us...? this will only hasten it's demise. |
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MaXsteri
lemmy.world
MaXsteri@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
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Then once they can ID them, instead of banning bots, they'll find a way to charge a premium for running a bot account. |
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0xDREADBEEF
lemmy.dbzer0.com
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2024-12-18 |
The real problem was third party clients I swear |
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mwdc1039
lemmy.world
mwdc1039@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-22 |
I'm a new lemmy user because of this |
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Melvin_Ferd
lemmy.world
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution). The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they f...
Why not use the bots to build bot detectors or categorize places online that are heavily botted, look for patterns and collect data for others to research. |
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AnotherUsername
lemmy.ml
AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-06-03 |
I would tell folks on Reddit to come to the fediverse but I deleted all my reddit accounts. |
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AnotherUsername
lemmy.ml
AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-06-03 |
I'm a new lemmy user because of this
Welcome! It's WAY quieter over here because it's mostly people, not bots. |
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kamayatu24
lemmy.world
kamayatu24@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-03-03 |
I'm a new lemmy user because of this
Welcome to the free side of the internet |
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AnotherUsername
lemmy.ml
AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-06-03 |
Why not use the bots to build bot detectors or categorize places online that are heavily botted, look for patterns and collect data for others to research.
It's a LOT easier to make bots fake being human than it is to detect bots faking being human. |
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kamayatu24
lemmy.world
kamayatu24@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-03-03 |
I would tell folks on Reddit to come to the fediverse but I deleted all my reddit accounts.
There will be someone who will do it. Don't worry. |
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docgerbil
lemmy.world
docgerbil@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-23 |
Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn't ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on. Or that the website which accidentally admitted "the most reddit addicted city" is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams... Where was I going with this? Hmm...
Social platforms are just data sources anyway. This is just another way of enriching the data. |
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ThisIsABlandUsername
lemmy.ml
ThisIsABlandUsername@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-03-11 |
I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution). The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they f...
Every so often r/conservative traffic dies down and the subreddit turns much more centrist. It's never liberal by any stretch but you'll actually see lots of criticism poke through. Same thing happens with r/politics occasionally. Reddit is just astroturfed so heavily that there isn't a point to it anymore. You have worse than a coinflips odds on replying to an actual human. |
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ThisIsABlandUsername
lemmy.ml
ThisIsABlandUsername@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-03-11 |
Why not use the bots to build bot detectors or categorize places online that are heavily botted, look for patterns and collect data for others to research.
Because they don't actually want to do that. Having open platforms means actual conversation happens and that's poison to authoritarians. |
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FatVegan
leminal.space
FatVegan@leminal.space Joined: 2025-11-05 |
Welcome! It's WAY quieter over here because it's mostly people, not bots.
This |
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FG_3479
lemmy.world
FG_3479@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-21 |
I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution). The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they f...
Worldcoin requires you to use their Orb device to sign up, and you can buy a verified account for $20. |
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Melvin_Ferd
lemmy.world
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
It's a LOT easier to make bots fake being human than it is to detect bots faking being human.
So a computer can't ever truly generate a random number but it can generate total random dialogue. I think we just didn't make an effort to catalog and look hard enough to identify these patterns. I feel like if we started to truly look at the most obvious place we could see a lot of things that can be used to identify. |
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