It still is more populated and has a lot higher activity, which suits slightly better for doomscrolling.

Lemmy needs to get slightly more popular.
And maybe a centralized place to find different instances?
Like i haven't found any active fitness related ones.

It's like coming from a convention Hall full of people and going into a minimally occupied hotel.

I'm no heritage Tumblr user, I didn't have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I'd say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist's post eventually will get a "Are you open for comms?" post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bots DMming people.

But like in terms of real people posting? I don't even know if I've ever had a bot post come up on my feed, for both the following feed and "for you" feed. Plus Tumblr does have an option to look at chronological posts and you can actually reach the end of the page eventually!

We all recently rioted and got the staff to revert a shitty twitter-like update within a day or so, which was nice. I still want wafrn to improve and replace Tumblr so we can escape the PoS CEO, but alas.

They will still infect them but they will be more obvious.

An unusual comment, you don't know it's a bot.

Hundreds of unusual comments and doesn't engage with the local community. It's a bot.

It's partly why online discourse is toxic. There is a disconnect with th real world and online and no social stigma. On a small community instances there is.

The problem though, will be trying to manage which isntances need to be blocked as they are rampant with bota. If the fediverse grows and there are lots of smaller communities,.it will be harder to keep track. Currently it's small and most instances with active users are familiar.

I just can’t read it as anything other than warfarin- how’s it supposed to be pronounced?

Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn't ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on.

Or that the website which accidentally admitted "the most reddit addicted city" is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams... Where was I going with this? Hmm must be nothing.

I say it like waffle + urn (or fern) = wahfern

I just know it's supoosed to be an acronym for "We Allow Female Representing Nipples" as a joking response to Tumblr's porn ban, which removed posts with "Female Representing Nipples"

Reddit CEO: "What? We can't sell user data on our increasingly punitive and terrible site because the bots keep fucking up the models trained on that data? Hold my beer..."

That's good to know.
I was wondering and testing the exact pattern to avoid shadowbans. I'm just bored after getting permabanned and got curious what methods they use to give out shadowbans.

Few specifying questions, if you don't mind.

On the part without VPN. Wouldn't that get a usual ban? Or it's already beyond that scanning timeframe after 10d.

And you mentioned browser. Is it specifically browser and app usage must be avoided or was it just an irrelevant word choice and app can be used as well?

Additionally, wouldn't just aging the account by 30d work or the no activity part still gets flagged by the system?

I mean, I got a 3 day ban (R1) for joking that we should shoot robot dogs guarding AI datacenters. It's literally not one of the categories that is even supposed to apply - it's neither a person, nor a place, nor some kind of animal. And that was my second account after my first got banned for similar sorts of jokes (yes, some were people, all were obviously jokes). Yeah, they're going crazy overboard with enforcement on that. Subreddits need to start moving over now.

They're already doing that: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279

Fuck /u/spez

Im not doing it! What are they gonna do? Ban me?
(Im banned from Reddit for posting Luigi gifs ... and guillotines)

Same, just commiserating over here.

You'll be surprised at how okay people are with mass surveillance if it encroaches on their addiction

Indeed, when I read this parent comment I had in mind a snake oil salesman in Lucky Luke (Doc Doxey's Elixir, volume 38)

selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on

Okay, but wouldn't it be kind of funny if every AI face generator suddenly started producing faces that look like Redditors?

Why does every generated face have a neckbeard and fedora?

This is the real question here. Especially with advanced AI, it might be difficult to spot bot accounts.

Where is the link so I can read about it

It is only unlikely if no one knows about lemmy. I found it yesterday and will keep shilling it on reddit until they ban me over there. From then on I will stay here.

Edit: typos

yikes

Astroturfing is only allowed from premium accounts.

I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution).

The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they figured out how to VPN through the Netherlands. There are whole communities where bots discuss bot-posted content. And I have no doubt in my mind that it will also happen on Lemmy as soon as there's even a hint of profit* to be found.

* "profit" not as in "monetary gain", but as "any kind of gain, be it money, influence, propaganda, chaos", etc., etc.

Reddit should crack down on human users instead! Let Reddit be AI Bot Exclusive space!

Once R brcomes unusable without this, I'm leaving it completely. I just hope many will do the same.

I mean they already put Epstein and Kirk in there...

Reddit is no longer for humans. So yes, the situation is pretty dire.

and yet tech bros scrape it for model training and content research. i used to like AskPhilosophy and the likes back when it wasn't wackjob agora for clinically insane (a decade ago in not more?) but seeing that shit getting mined is baffling because it is basically a deliberate data contamination.

I just block people. That's much more effective.

Well, it depends on the user. To some, its worth it. And to some it doesn't. Its about the community size.

Reddit has had a big problem for a long time, and it has probably only gotten worse. I wouldn't know, because I, an actual human with an opinion, was permabanned in the post-Inauguration bloodbath.

So let the bots run wild, and finish destroying Reddit.

It's complex to answer. Reddit's permanent ban is too strict.

They look at your IP address, cookies, local storage, your linked IDs if you linked them (phone number, email address, Google account, Apple ID, etc.), browser metadata, your digital fingerprint like WebGL data, WiFi BSSID, the app also keeps a note of the IMEI number of your device.

And I've read this somewhere that their AI moderation keeps an eye on your language that you type in, the words you use often and activity timing. I am not sure about this claim but they probably do it. System links all these activities with accounts that have banned in the past and if they find more than 5-7 very obvious links, you get another ban.

The system stays on high alert for first 10 days of suspicious activity on your account. It gradually lowers the flagging by 30 days but its still a risky zone. One mistake and it picks the flag. You have to clean your browser before you use it again on your main browser. Uninstall and reinstall in many cases, clearing any session data, cookies and even %TEMP% files and cache files from your root folder.

I am not sure about the app though, a friend of mine had a secondary phone where he used Reddit, he was able to evade the ban only by factory data resetting the device and then installing the app from a new Google Account. I never really used the app, I am not a phone person, I use my laptop most of the times so don't know how the app thing works.

Well that depends. Were you suggesting that he do that officially or unofficially?

how many of us noped the fuck outa there when they tried to force their garbage app on us...? this will only hasten it's demise.

Then once they can ID them, instead of banning bots, they'll find a way to charge a premium for running a bot account.

The real problem was third party clients I swear

I'm a new lemmy user because of this

Why not use the bots to build bot detectors or categorize places online that are heavily botted, look for patterns and collect data for others to research.

I would tell folks on Reddit to come to the fediverse but I deleted all my reddit accounts.

Welcome! It's WAY quieter over here because it's mostly people, not bots.

Welcome to the free side of the internet

It's a LOT easier to make bots fake being human than it is to detect bots faking being human.

There will be someone who will do it. Don't worry.

Social platforms are just data sources anyway. This is just another way of enriching the data.

Every so often r/conservative traffic dies down and the subreddit turns much more centrist. It's never liberal by any stretch but you'll actually see lots of criticism poke through. Same thing happens with r/politics occasionally. Reddit is just astroturfed so heavily that there isn't a point to it anymore. You have worse than a coinflips odds on replying to an actual human.

Because they don't actually want to do that. Having open platforms means actual conversation happens and that's poison to authoritarians.

This

Worldcoin requires you to use their Orb device to sign up, and you can buy a verified account for $20.

So a computer can't ever truly generate a random number but it can generate total random dialogue.

I think we just didn't make an effort to catalog and look hard enough to identify these patterns.

I feel like if we started to truly look at the most obvious place we could see a lot of things that can be used to identify.