Are we efficient yet?

The Trump administration is building a computer system so that States can ‘verify’ a person’s citizenship prior to allowing them to vote.

As an Italian (but think most of EU citizens) who need to show my id card to vote, I don't really see where is the problem if there is a check if the person could vote or not. I can agree that using the SSN maybe is not the right way but why should people who are not citizes allowed to vote ? For context, in Italy if I have my legal address (residenza) in Milan I cannot vote for the mayor of Rome, and btw, why should I ?

Changing the system do not make it more secure by default. Here the SSN equivalent is calculated with your name, surname, date and place of birth and a check code, and it is not a secret how to calculate it (it was the very first program you write if you study IT at school for example).

The problem is not SSN number itself, but the fact that you need only it to do everything.

And then what? The Department of “””justice””” is part of them.

I will keep laughing at Americans till they manage to get their broken democracy to establish an ID system like every other country.

DOGE infiltrated months ago and you are just reacting now?

SIEZE Elons assets arrest try him and repair the damage to American infrastructure with his money

Yeah, thanks for that Equifax.

The same group that pushes for voter ID laws refuses to implement a national ID system because they're afraid of the mark of the beast.

ssn was never intended to be a form of identification. it was specifically decided that it would not be used as a form of identification by the administration that controlled it

But they won’t do it.

The check in the US is done when you register to vote. Once you are registered, a variety of proofs of ID can be used to vote at your polling location.

Requiring a passport and birth cert or some other strong ID are unnecessary at the actual voting site. The main reason for doing this is to make voting take longer, and be more strenuous, which means that you can have a greater effect on election results by manipulating the number of polling stations for an area.

I'm sure that this will be more expensive to fix than whatever "savings" Elons ghouls have managed to bring.

Someone has to pay for the new SSN system. Someone has to pay to maintain the database for the old system, since a lot of stuff is still reliant on those "old" numbers and will be for some time. Someone has to pay for printing and distributing new cards to everyone. Someone has to pay for gov employees to check IDs and verify people before distribution. Someone is going to have to pay for errors in the deployment. Someone is going to have to pay for the damage done by identity theft.

I would bet that someone will not be Elon, or anyone else at DOGE.

Like most things the GOP says, they're lying or exaggerating.

You need to show proof of identity/citizenship to register to vote. As one piece of this process, you may choose to use your SS card. You must vote at your local polling place (or by mail). You can not travel to some other city to vote.

Organized vote fraud would be hard to do and hard to hide. The only cases were MAGA people trying to "balance out the vote fraud" from the other guys. And they were caught.

The people in power are the same ones who created DOGE. It's like Epstein - not like they're going to investigate themselves.

Too bad they already wear the mark, in the form of an ugly red hat

0 chance they hand out new SSID, that's money and work and confusion, imagine every medical entity changing over that code?

First, the govt would need to make a lookup table.

Anyone that used their old ssid for something, or a system that had the old ssid in it, would need a translation to the new ID.

Sooo at what point could you safely stop accepting old ID's because they're all changed over? Never. Some random medical provider in east bumfuck, TN, still uses your SSID from their own paper copy. So you're stuck accepting old SSIDs and translating them into new SSIDs on demand, which completely breaks any security of changing IDs in the first place.

There have been enough nexus/credit leaks over the years, it's hardly news that those ID's are compromised.

True, but the thing is that the people in power will still complain about increased fraud if and when it happens and point to the government as irresponsible custodians of personal data.

Not with that attitude it won't be.

I think bumfucking is not legal in Tennessee.

When are they going to tattoo the QR code on our foreheads? Or at least implant a chip?

Seriously tho... Fuck these nationalist serial numbers for humans. It's disgusting that humanity still runs on this trash.

Don't get so worked about what's real and what's not. It's just the news. Phony as always.

(seriously tho yeah u right.)

I guess that shows what people get for believing the state.

Yes, but not at anything good.

Why not photos too? jfc.

That's not how those numbers were intended to be used!! We can reform this. \s

The check in the US is done when you register to vote. Once you are registered, a variety of proofs of ID can be used to vote at your polling location.

And why the double check ? It would not be better to just go to the polling station, show your id and then vote ?
(I undestand that it is a simplification, in the US people move way more often that here and this add some other problems)

Requiring a passport and birth cert or some other strong ID are unnecessary at the actual voting site. The main reason for doing this is to make voting take longer,

Considering that if I have no one before me to vote, it take about 30 seconds from the moment I enter the polling station and the moment I am handed the cards to cast the vote I would argue that saying that this way it will take longer is not really true.
And, btw, we do the check of the document against a printed list who containt all the names of the people who can vote at a polling station, splitted between man and women.

and be more strenuous, which means that you can have a greater effect on election results by manipulating the number of polling stations for an area.

Every difficulty you build to try to make harder for your enemy voters to cast their vote is a difficulty you set up also for your voters.
And simply manipulating the number of polling station in a certain area give you nothing: people who want to vote against you will come anyway and you cannot know if they will come before your voters of after and which voters eventually will lose their patience and just go home without casting a vote

Besides, it's a really bad form of ID. The numbers aren't even unique, and up until 2011, a few digits are reserved for geographical information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number#Structure

If I had to reach for a hasty solution, it would be to use the IRS taxpayer ID instead. Of course, that might weaken the SSA's importance overall, so that wouldn't be without consequences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Taxpayer_Identification_Number

i am not going to defend the government, but in this case, it was problem laziness from the private sector. instead of relying on actual identification forms they used the ssn to shortcut paperwork

It's not a double check at the polling station. They simply need to confirm that you showed up and voted today, and have a way to ID you. The actual check, that you are legally allowed to vote, and that you are actually who you say you are, and that you aren't allowed to vote anywhere else, all happened when you register to vote. That is a long process, and that's why it is done before you actually need to go vote.

Every difficulty you build to try to make harder for your enemy voters to cast their vote is a difficulty you set up also for your voters.

Elections are run by the individual states (unless something egregiously unconstitutional is going on) which allows the governor and even local election officials to make decisions that affect how hard it is to vote almost down to a street level basis. If you don't want people from blue areas to vote, you just put in fewer polling stations, and make them in less convenient places for areas that skew blue on the map. So adding 30 seconds to the voting time doesn't really matter for a rural station that might need to service 100 people in a day, but for an inner city location that might need to service 100 people a minute those 30 seconds per person really add up.

Humanity? Lol, speak for urself, US-American. In civilized countries we use ID cards for identification. Says a lot about the US that y'all abuse Social Security Numbers as identification lol. Imagine claiming to be the greatest country on earth but then not even having ID cards lol.

But fucking over bums is encouraged

Mark of the beast? Isn't that something about the devil? I'm not sure what you mean

Just add a 1 at the end of them all. That's what I do when my work says I have to change my password.

Same. My password is on hunter2111111111111 now.

Shit, shouldn't have shared it. I'll just have to change it to >!hunter21111111111111!<.

more than 300 million Americans

I know wiggle room is the gold standard of journalism... but you can just say "all Americans".

Frankly having to have an ID card is not a boast. It's depressing.

You'd rather have papers?

The mark of the beast is fiat currency.

Capitalism is the most efficient way to distribute resources (to the top).

If I released my SSN in this chat, I could be fully doxxed in a matter of seconds.

000-00-0002

Yeah, in the book of Revelation in the Bible as a sign of the end times followers of Satan will have a visible mark on them. Many evangelical Christian conspiracy theorists believe that in a literal sense. Paired with many conservatives also not wanting the government to be able to track them, a national ID system (as opposed to state IDs) has never really gain traction.

You can read more about this here if you're interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_beast#Mark_of_the_beast

Some fundamentalist Christian groups, as well as various Christian writers in other traditions, interpret the mark as a requirement for all commerce to mean that the mark might actually be an object in the right hand or forehead with the function of a credit card, such as RFID microchip implants.[73] Some of these groups believe the implantation of chips may be the imprinting of the mark of the beast, prophesied to be a requirement for all trade and a precursor to God's wrath.[74][75] Similar objections were raised about barcodes upon their introduction.[76]

During the COVID-19 pandemic, some groups associated COVID-19 vaccines and mask wearing with the mark of the beast, or that it was a microchip in the vaccine.[77] Some religious leaders spoke out against this as a misinterpretation of Revelation 13:16-18.[78] Medical institutions such as Hennepin County Medical Center noted this in their fact sheets about the vaccine.[79] A similar version was spread by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who referred to vaccine passports as being the mark of the beast.[80]

We should get ahead of the curve by making Markcoin then. Let's do halfsies on an ICO.

You know, I almost posted that it specifically says on the back "Not to be used for ID", because I remember that on mine. Looked online to be sure I was right, and couldn't find it, so I didn't post it

I had no idea that they removed that. It's not like they changed function!

It was both within the last 5 years, and transunion recently. They all gave free monitoring for those affected.

They needed to be changed 5 data breaches ago. Thank you Equifax :)

Why? It is an easy and secure way to identify yourself, be it for shopping or taxes or other necessary paperwork stuff, or anything else.

Of course.

The rest are being deported.