Good thing I don't just eat the stuff by itself right out of the jar and finish the whole thing in a single sitting.

But it tastes soooo good!

Hmm. I’m still eating it!!

Food does have ingredients, yes.

That's why it is delicious.

Palm oil is bad though. Besides that, I get what you mean

Palm oil = deforestation.

Oh god who would do such a thing!?! Next you'd tell me some people would scrape their fingers all around the inside of the jar and lick them making sure they get every last remaining chocolate of that sweet sweet nector of the gods. And even stick their tongue inside, making out style with the jar, making sure no more chocolate taste left 🤤

I eat only food that has just one ingredient, myself.

IIRC, it was a Depression product created for the poors to have some chocolate in their short, diseased, cast-off lives.

La Croix has more "flavor" than Nutella is "chocolate". 🖕🏼

I'm actually not seeing anything especially surprising here. Does anyone eat a bite of it and not immediately know it's got a ton of fat and sugar in it?

Thanks I Hate It

Or is that just propaganda to prevent palm oil from taking to much marketshare?
You need at least 3 times as much farmland to make an equal amount of any other form of vegetable oil.
Most farm oil used in Europe is from sustainable farming, Indonesia makes 50% of the palm oil on the global market, and they claim to have regulated palm oil farming to be sustainable.
Palm oil is an excellent oil, it is efficient to grow because of very high yields, and it's been used for thousands of years.

Thank God it's skim milk.

And even stick their tongue inside, making out style with the jar, making sure no more chocolate taste left

Ladies, are you having trouble getting your man to go down on you? Boyfriends hate this one simple trick!

Couldn't be me

I think the surprising part is that this guy got a jar that was seperated and layered. Mine just comes as one consistant spread.

Are you turning yourself into an ingredient? Is this the future liberals want?!?

Once read a thread where someone was asking the best way to eat it. There were suggestions like on toast, or with banana slices. But the best answer—and the one that had me laughing in tears—was:
With your whole hand.

Palm oil is almost or entirely unique among plant oils in that it is solid at room temperature without hydrogenation, so it's a plant oil that behaves like an animal fat in recipes. How's it compare to lard in sustainability?

They sure tried advertising it as a health food in the USA 20-ish years ago when it was relatively new to the market—“simple, quality ingredients like hazelnuts, skim milk, and a hint of cocoa.” They were sued for deceptive advertising and had to pay millions of dollars.

But yeah, one bite or a look at the ingredients and nutrition label should be enough to warn anyone. The first ingredient is sugar and more than 50% of the food’s mass comes from added sugar.

Well, I hope you are correct and that there are no reasons for Indonesia to be lying about that.

Demand has only gone up in the past few decades. It’s in more and more highly processed foods.

I don’t think any of this changes past deforestation, either.

I heard that palm oil plantations deforest where orangutans live and I wouldn't want to destroy their habitat. Why can't America grow palm oil instead of so much corn and soy beans?

It’s amazing that it can have all those shit ingredients but still be a health food.

Ultra-processed palm oil is bad.

Is it still bad if you spread a little bit of it for a taste on the sandwich?

I absolutely love Orangutans, but then any action should be against the countries that fail to protect orangutans, not demonizing palm oil which dozens of countries depend on.
Demonizing palm oil reeks of industry manipulation, to protect agriculture in Europe or USA.

Excellent point, compared to lard it's probably more like 30 times more efficient in the amount of farmland needed.
The problem is not palm oil, the real problem is that the global population has increased from 5 to 8 billion in 50 years. Without palm oil, deforestation would probably have been worse.

Ehhhh not enough sugar, keep it coming /s

I'm not surprised by it any more, but only because I've known this for a while now. When I first saw this breakdown (and looked at other sources to confirm), I was caught a bit off guard by the realization that this stuff is well over 50% sugar. The palm oil is not exactly a plus, either.

It’s amazing that anyone was fooled by this marketing. It shows you the power of it I guess.

The first time I tried Nutella I immediately knew what it was: chocolate hazelnut cake frosting. The fact that people slather it on their toast every day seemed as absurd to me as eating cake frosting every day.

I think it's a photoshop to show proportions.

That sounds even worse than Coca Cola.

Knowing it has sugar is one thing. Seeing the volume of sugar relative to the other ingredients is still a shock

But it tastes SO sweet...

Palm oil is bad because rainforest is burned down to grow more monoculture palm oil. https://wwf.panda.org/discover/our_focus/food_practice/sustainable_production/palm_oil/

You should probably call the number that’s listed on the back label under “if you’re unsatisfied with this product call … “

Ok but you could be Mr monopoly guy behind the keyboard astroturfing your palm oil empire on Lemmy.

But seriously why isn't the USA producing palm oil?

The sugar and fat is why I eat it

The use of palm trees for palm oil is bad.

You gotta stir that shit bro.

Well, it was supposed to be mainly a hazelnut cream with some sugar, cocoa and maybe a few other minor ingredients. And in fact, when it was new and conquering markets, that was what it was.

I think the decades starting with the early 1990s had desensitized a lot of us to enormous amounts of sugar, and in the end we didn't even consciously notice anymore how sweet that stuff had gotten.

not a photoshop

How do you know this?

skim milk? Disgusting! Give me that 4%

There is not a pig breed out there that is all lard. However there is a huge difference between pig breeds regarding the procentage. Back in the day when palmoil was not available and lard was used the pigs we had were much fatter and fed a diet higher in cereal grains and lower in soy. When lard went out of fashion there was suddenly a huge oversupply of the stuff and we shifted their diets but more importantly shifted breeding efforts to ever leaner pigs.

This makes it harder to say exactly what environmental impact lard would have if we shifted back to using it as one of our main solid fats. I would argue that lard right now could be seen as a byproduct. In my country a lot of the lard is currently used as a feedstock for biodiesel which, when you think about it, is absolutely insane considering we at the same time import copious amounts of palm oil. You could even see it as us currently making biodiesel from palmoil by proxy. Which is not ideal.

But let's say we could make the shift back to lard. We would get slightly less biodiesel but at the same time we could shift to a cereal grain heavy diet for the pigs and go back to those old breeds. Soy yields far less than say corn yields. Fatty pigs could therefore be less land demanding than lean pigs are to raise. I can't exactly say if the demand for land would go up or down in the final equation but theoretically we could end up actually needing less land when also taking account the less land we would need for palm oil. But the main obstacle here is that people simply don't want to eat lard anymore. It's "icky" for the modern consumer. Which is ironic as we still consume it in sausages as one of the largest ingredients, but the consumers won't accept it in baking products anymore.

In the end lard is just the carb in cereal grain converted to fat via a pig. And cereal grains are plentiful and very high yielding. Is using corn to produce fatter pigs, pigs that we would still raise anyway for the meat, really be worse than using the same corn for bio ethanol? It's worth a thought. I would be very interested in seeing a full life cycle analysis of the land use and environmental impact such a shift would lead to.

Also cruel to monkeys or something.

Most of it is sugar ig?
And palm oil

I guess I've seen so many of these things that I've stopped being surprised. This one was really popular for a long time.

Oil palms only grow in humid tropical environments. Environments that when left undisturbed would be tropical rainforest. Decoupling palm oil from deforestation is therefore very hard. Certified sustainable palmoil is simply from farmland that the farmers have proved not to have been deforested recently but that same land still has the potential to return to tropical rainforest after restoration.

Regarding America specifically probably only Hawaii could support it. But land there is scarce and is used for much higher value crops like fruit crops. Harvesting palm oil is also quite labor intensive since the fruit bunches are harvested manually. It therefore does not make economic sense to grow it in countries with high wages.