She, unfortunately, wasn't that bright.

Or just pockets! Tired of carrying my wife's shit

I bought a skirt recently, it had two cute little front pockets. I was excited only to discover they were fake.

Must be pretty smelly

Oh, I absolutely agree with you. I was being super sarcastic with my above comment. Foolish cultural preconceptions hinder us all. Edit to add that cargo pants with side pockets are the bomb.

Have you ever seen the music video for Madonna's Beautiful Stranger? It's a tie in with...one of the Austin Powers flicks, I forget which. In it, Mike Meyers goes to a club where Madonna is performing on stage, she's wearing this sexy form fitting black lace top and this hilariously bad pair of grey slacks that look like Dickie's work pants, apparently complete with functioning hip pockets that bulge out from her hips like Dumbo ears.

That's why most commercial women's pants don't come with large pockets. To use large internal pockets, the garment has to fit loosely, to reach to the bottom to fish something out you have to be able to fit the width of your fist through the opening, and it's damn near impossible to make an opening that will open large enough to admit her entire hand with room to spare that will lay flat and flattering on a woman's hip, not while we're in our fifth decade of tight pants on women.

If they put tight pants with functional hip pockets on the racks, you'd try them on, look in the mirror, say "oh god no" and leave the store without buying anything.

Women's sweat pants? They often have similar pockets to men's sweat pants. Sundresses have a stereotypical response to compliments: Thanks IT HAS POCKETS! It's not going to happen in jeans or slacks though, because out of "emulate men's fashion", "practicality" and "be feminine and pretty" you get to pick any two.

Emulate men's fashion + practicality = Buy cargo jeans from the men's department; you'll get used to the room in the crotch and you'll never use that little leather thing you're supposed to clip a tape measure to but you can fit an entire book in each hip pocket.

Emulate men's fashion + be feminine and pretty = Apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur. The design of women's work jeans originally had the zipper or buttons at the hip rather than the front, the typical pattern seen today is strong enough for a man, ruined to look good on a woman.

be feminine and pretty + practicality = that sundress WITH POCKETS! or some other such clothing designed specifically for women in mind, which hasn't been a politically popular idea in living memory at least not in the West.

Women complaining about trivial shit as if it's some systemic gender oppression, undermining the importance of the entire notion of gender oppression.

Today when I emptied my pockets I had 3 zip lock sandwich bags, a roll of soft Velcro, a roll of scratchy Velcro, multiple hair bands, compression gloves, and miscellaneous paper trash I forgot to toss. They weren’t event half full. My kids have started copying me and walking around with their hands in their pockets which I do just because of the joy of having them. I wish all my pants were like my scrubs. Sigh.

You know what? That's my fault. What started off as a humorous offhanded comment accidentally turned into a rant. Sorry to make you feel like I was talking at you when I was actually yelling at clouds.

https://radianjeans.com/
By the pictures seems to be fitting a whole phone.

https://www.amazon.com/womens-jeans-deep-front-pockets/s?k=womens+jeans+with+deep+front+pockets

Of course it's questionable how deep each one is.

https://www.gap.com/shop/jeans-for-women-with-front-pockets-0agz00a

At least some seem to fit a whole hand.

https://www.reviewed.com/style/features/womens-jeans-deep-functional-pockets

Whole review pointing towards multiple brands with deep pockets.

Or yeah in extreme case to make a point to manufactures. Starting to buy mens jeans en mass for a while, but as people aren't a hive mind. That's kinda harder to achieve.

No worries, I understand the source of the rant, my sarcasm came from the same vein. Besides, we need to keep those clouds in check!

I get so tired of being told to go buy pants with pockets or buy men’s jeans, when that has nothing to do with the point. Women deserve pockets in our jeans. Period.

What you're saying is not just that you deserve pockets in your jeans, but that you deserve them in the style that you want, as easily found as other pairs. Which doesn't sound true to me. Who "deserves" a particular style?

The reason trousers are sold with small pockets is because big pockets look different, especially when full of stuff, especially on tighter-fitting clothing. Do you want to make it harder for people who want those trousers to find suitable ones? Why do your preferences for practicality outweigh theirs for aesthetics?

My ex, a woman, complete with a woman's hips, pretty much exclusively wore men's trousers. Sometimes with a belt.

lol man, I’m not talking about nice trousers, or dressy pants, or skin tight anything. I don’t want big pockets in my form fitting clothes. I don’t wear skin tight clothes all of the time. That picture are 2 pairs of non-tight bootcut jeans.

I’m talking about basic, everyday, denim jeans that have that tiny useless pocket. Even wide leg jeans have that tiny useless pocket. The pockets in these jeans can’t even fit my driver’s license or credit card in them without worrying they will fall out. I don’t want to fit everything that’s in my purse in those pockets. I want to fit my ID, credit card, a bit of cash, and my pocket knife. I want to be able to grab those few things and run into the grocery store or bookstore without always lugging my purse around. That’s it.

I’m a flare and bootcut jeans kind of gal. I want functional pockets in every day normal denim jeans. I want functional pockets in clothes that make sense.

And men too!

But seriously, if I take what you're saying at face value that this is a practical problem, large trousers and a belt will give you trousers that cover your legs and don't fall down.

What I suspect you want is trousers that not only fulfill your functional requirements but which you also think look good. And that is not even an unreasonable desire, but it is clearly a different desire, and one which I don't think is problem that needs urgently addressing on a societal level. The fact that there is a tradeoff between

• readily available
• suits you
• practical

is at the level of annoying.

You can desire whatever you want, and I can desire whatever I want. The only difference (assuming you are agreeing with the person I replied to) is that I don't go around telling people I deserve what I desire when it is hard to get. There are innumerable ways the world does not cater to my desires - some overlap with the ways it does not cater to yours, some do not.

If your basic human rights are not being met, I'll come out for you, just as, I'm sure, you'd come out for me. But this is about fashion.

Like, you know it's pretty easy to get longer skirts and dresses with pockets, right? If it were about pockets, you'd just wear the clothes with pockets.

Bootcut men's jeans:

Bootcut women's jeans:

I mean sure, you may mean you prefer looser jeans even than those pictured, but do you see how much tighter the woman's are than the man's? That's the current fashion. Even if you actually wear looser ones, the fact that the fashion is for tighter jeans means you might not be wearing the size the designer envisaged, and in any case, the designer imagines that the majority of people buying those jeans also own tight clothing, hence a purse, hence there's no point putting in a functional pocket.

Yes, it's annoying when fashion doesn't cater to you, but it's still important to recognise that as what's going on.

There's a world of difference between a complaint that acknowledges the privilege of even being in a position to complain about fashion and one which mistakenly or dishonestly mischaracterises what is wrong as something more severe.

Imagine if I complained I was thirsty all the time because the local shop stopped stocking coke, and that I deserved to have something to drink. Wouldn't you roll your eyes and tell me to drink water? Wouldn't you react differently if I said I was bummed because the shop ran out of coke and I just wanted some? Being honest/aware of what the actual issue is makes all the difference.

So if I want pockets, my only choices are dresses or skirts. Because women are not allowed to have choices. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in jeans. Because women are not allowed to have functional pockets in non form fitting clothing.

Got it. Thank you, a man, for telling me, a woman, that I do not have other options and that I should just deal with it.

I suggest you go read a book, try this one.

I was going to suggest hiking pants. Mine have more pockets than I know what to do with.

You have the choice to:

• Buy a skirt
• Buy a dress
• Buy sweatpants
• Buy jeans from one of the retailers listed in this thread
• Buy jeans with unusable pockets and alter them
• Buy "men's" clothes
• Carry a bag with you

You have choices. You are unhappy with the choices available, but are instead saying you have none.

If you complained "I am unhappy with these choices" instead of complaining, "I am not allowed to have choices" you would not get people replying about the other choices you do, in fact, have.

You, a man

No thank you.

I’m so glad you used pictures of models that have been air brushed for fashion magazines to prove that women are wrong to complain about pockets.

Here’s a real pair of jeans on a real human being. Jeans that I recently purchased at a popular fashion store.

See those pockets? These aren’t even the ones I posted above, these pockets are twice as deep as those and I still barely fit all of my fingers. I cannot safely place my credit card and ID in those pockets without a big risk of losing them. That is why women are pissed about pockets.

I saw a problem being mischaracterised. I'm so sorry that I had the temerity to point out the choices available to you.

Whatever would we have done without you??

Continued to complain you "deserve pockets" that you absolutely can have.

Take your horrible inaccurate assumptions somewhere else. I won't be reading any replies.

You are right that they are loose-fitting enough on to have functional pockets, but I think there's some more of my comment that still applies. How many women do you think are buying jeans that fit that loosely? A quick dredge through some photos (whether models or selfies) makes me pretty confident it's a minority.

Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it's just a reason that affects people other than you.

Because women are not allowed to have choices.

• Buy a skirt I don’t want to and shouldn’t have to wear a skirt all the time for pockets
• Buy a dress see above
• Buy sweatpants see above
• Buy jeans from one of the retailers listed in this thread pictures don’t mean they actually have proper pockets and I don’t buy pants online because I need to try them on to make sure they fit my hips
• Buy jeans with unusable pockets and alter them this is something I have done, but should be unnecessary for pants that are not form fitting
• Buy "men's" clothes these don’t fit my hips and when I wear a belt, it bunches the waist and gets extremely uncomfortable
• Carry a bag with you I do this, but I shouldn’t have to always carry a purse to have my ID on me

I just want damn pockets in my non form fitting clothes. Why is that such a sin for a woman to complain about?

Your perspective seems to be that there is no reason not to make the pockets bigger, but there is, it's just a reason that affects people other than you

No, my perspective is that the many non form fitting jeans that have space have no reason to have tiny useless pockets. Wide leg jeans have no reason to not have pockets. Any jeans that are not tight in the thighs have no good reason to not have bigger pockets.

Edit: as I’ve stated in another comment

So you’re a pedantic ass. Got it.

I’m going to play in my garden. You should go read a book, maybe start with the one I posted above.

Have a day

If you don't want the obvious replies, frame the complaint in a way that doesn't invite them. The original post is someone talking about the "right to have deeper jeans pockets" which invites the point that women already have options for deep jeans pockets.

I'm not here telling you that all the choices you have are as good as the choice you wish you had.

So you’re a pedantic ass. Got it.

I’m going to go play in my garden. You should go read a book, maybe start with the one I posted above.

Have a day.

So, I got it right, with the caveat that you're not talking about all jeans?

But jeans that are not tight on your thighs may be tight on someone else's. The bigger pockets on those jeans that benefit you will look worse on that person. Bigger pockets add a (small) cost - which is fine if it offers something of value. But to the many women who carry a bag by default, bigger pockets do not add value, only a cost, so you are also asking those to bear the cost.

So those are the two reasons.

Framing the complaint as, "I'm annoyed that jeans designed for women have useless pockets" leaves the space open for those reasons, those other people whose annoyance might also matter. The complaint in the original post, continued by you and others, would erase them.

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I think it's a self sustaining thing. My pants don't have pockets, so I have a purse. Because I have a purse, I don't need to have large pocket, so I don't bother looking for pants with those.

And it looks better without large pocket.

So cargo pants? I catch grief from my wife and daughters if I wear those.

Similar but not quite. Cargo pants are dorky but hiking pants are cool.

A rose by any other name is still just a slightly different type of cargo pants.....

They are generally made from different materials. Cargo pants are heavy and trail pants are generally lighter and can be worn in the heat. They also dry much quicker. If you had to compare them to something you could claim they are closer to 80s parachute pants than the dork pants.

I just intentionally leave the outer pockets of my suit jackets seen shut. I just use the inner pockets if necessary.

Tell them to stop bullying your purse pants.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsh0TfIKhoE

That's the video and I don't even see the pockets. Though maybe I'm a weirdo because I find women in functional or baggy clothing sexy, so I was actually hoping it was more obvious like you said (though she's still hot).

I'm not sure exactly what it is, maybe appreciating the attitude of wanting to dress for comfort and functionality rather than to impress others. I do find the attitude/insecurity behind wanting to get vanity surgeries very unattractive (especially becauase so many of those surgeries put them in the uncanny valley rather than make them look better), so that could be it.

So I say be yourself when picking clothes. If you want pockets, get pockets and then as a bonus you might attract someone who thinks it's hot that you picked pants that you like instead of what some parts of society tell you you should wear. Though I might be biased lol.

Went to a clothes shop in Tenerife.

Unable to speak the lingo, the missus picked up a pair of jeans off a shelf.

"Are these for men or women, I can't tell?"

I put my hand in the pocket. It stopped about 2cm in.

"These are women's jeans"

Meanwhile, I can fit a full size Nintendo Switch in my cargo shorts pocket.

I just don't care what they think about my cargo pants or shorts. I'm going to wear them anyway.

That's nice. But the materials don't matter, you could make them out of burlap and they would still be cargo pants. It all about the design.

I think there is a market gap ready to be filled right here