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CheeseNoodle
lemmy.world
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
Say the Americans who consume 3x the energy of other developed nations. "Jeff bezos forced me to live in the desert and run AC 10 months of the year" "Bill Gates made me drive my car to get groceries" "Bring back plastic straws" "Roll coal, baby!"
To be fair on those:
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lugal
lemmy.dbzer0.com
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-06-26 |
Yes, the Soviet union and China ran/run on unicorn powder and butterflies. Surely capitalism and those 90 guys are the problem.
Me criticizing one thing doesn't mean you get to pick another thing I supposedly like |
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lugal
lemmy.dbzer0.com
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-06-26 |
What's your best, longest-lived example of a society without capitalism? Do you have any? By capitalism, I mean "private individuals or companies that own and control businesses and property", the simplest definition of capitalism
Collective ownership is very common (no pun intended) global and throughout history |
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Grail
multiverse.soulism.net
Grail@multiverse.soulism.netJoined: 2026-01-14 |
Y'all still pay those people money for hamburgers and chicken nuggets you don't need. Eat a nice homemade vegan sandwich and spend the money on a video game. Video games cause a lot less pollution than meat and they're way more fun. |
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Grail
multiverse.soulism.net
Grail@multiverse.soulism.netJoined: 2026-01-14 |
And it's name is Greed.
I call it Mammon and it lives inside the minds of every capitalist. Every worker who believes in markets, in states, in police, in corporations. We must kill the capitalist in the heads of every worker. |
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DirtSona
feddit.org
DirtSona@feddit.org Joined: 2024-08-30 |
Y'all still pay those people money for hamburgers and chicken nuggets you don't need. Eat a nice homemade vegan sandwich and spend the money on a video game. Video games cause a lot less pollution than meat and they're way more fun.
Why do you think the post is about fast food chains? |
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DirtSona
feddit.org
DirtSona@feddit.org Joined: 2024-08-30 |
I said nothing of the sort. But I ask once again: If we execute these 90 people, will that make us stop burning oil? Is it at least a helpful step down the path of stopping to burn oil? If not, then please just don't act as though these 90 people are all we have to overcome to save the planet.
Of course something will happen. If the bosses or big corporations would be killed constantly, the next in line would be thinking about changing things. Just remember Luigi. https://factually.co/fact-checks/health/luigi-mangione-healthcare-accessibility-impact-288343 |
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DirtSona
feddit.org
DirtSona@feddit.org Joined: 2024-08-30 |
Kind of. It's the system they operate under, capitalism. Get rid of those specific people and you would have others people take their place. However, not to say that it isn't worthwhile to also bust out the guillotines
Would you say the health industry is exactly the same after Luigi? |
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Grail
multiverse.soulism.net
Grail@multiverse.soulism.netJoined: 2026-01-14 |
Why do you think the post is about fast food chains?
I don't think the post is about fast food chains. I'm saying fast food chains burn a whole lot of oil making your hamburgers. No more oil mining companies, no more cheap hamburgers. There are a whole lot of people, millions of them, who want change, but who would riot at the steps necessary to achieve that change. It's like the Trump voters who get deported by ICE. "This isn't what I voted for". There are millions of people who want net zero carbon emissions, but they still want to drive an SUV to McDonald's for chicken nuggets. I don't drive an SUV. I don't eat chicken nuggets. I'm ready for net zero. I hope you are too. |
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Almacca
aussie.zone
Almacca@aussie.zoneJoined: 2025-02-06 |
I call it Mammon and it lives inside the minds of every capitalist. Every worker who believes in markets, in states, in police, in corporations. We must kill the capitalist in the heads of every worker.
From Wikipedia "Mammon (Aramaic: מָמוֹנָא, māmōnā) in the New Testament is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain." More or less the same thing, I reckon, but Mammon sounds cooler, so I'll defer to your's. |
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derAbsender
piefed.social
derAbsender@piefed.socialJoined: 2026-02-07 |
We have names? |
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Grail
multiverse.soulism.net
Grail@multiverse.soulism.netJoined: 2026-01-14 |
How was solar a con? It produced energy, as intended. It's gotten gradually even better at producing energy through better photovotaics, batteries, molten salt concentrated solar, and kinetic batteries (pumping water uphill during the day, running electro-hydralic power generation at night). But it was never a lie. Plastic was never recyclable. It's been burned in the open air in China and Indo...
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Fedizen
lemmy.world
Fedizen@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
If only there was like a deck of cards with their faces on it. |
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Tja
programming.dev
Tja@programming.dev Joined: 2023-12-18 |
Me criticizing one thing doesn't mean you get to pick another thing I supposedly like
No, I'm just pointing out that all economic systems we tried so far destroy the environment, it's not specifically capitalisms fault. |
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lugal
lemmy.dbzer0.com
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-06-26 |
No, I'm just pointing out that all economic systems we tried so far destroy the environment, it's not specifically capitalisms fault.
For some people, history ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall which is already laughable. For you, history started with its building. |
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UltraMagnus0001
lemmy.world
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
Say the Americans who consume 3x the energy of other developed nations. "Jeff bezos forced me to live in the desert and run AC 10 months of the year" "Bill Gates made me drive my car to get groceries" "Bring back plastic straws" "Roll coal, baby!"
I like how the post is about the bus load of rich people that do the most polluting and we started blaming each other. Focus people. Our cars do pollute, but nowhere near as much as a these rich bastards. |
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Tja
programming.dev
Tja@programming.dev Joined: 2023-12-18 |
For some people, history ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall which is already laughable. For you, history started with its building.
Nope, since the industrial revolution we had capitalism, communism, feudalism and a bunch of others, and they all destroyed the environment. Norilsk was a nightmare well before the wall went up. London had unbreathable air a century before that. |
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Azzu
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-28 |
Because the average American and European feels their convenient lifestyle is more important than the life of the planet. They'll talk the talk about the environment, but they won't walk the wall with their votes or actions.
I was recently at a kind of convention on the topic of "how to build a sustainable society". There were two ~40 yr old ladies in the row in front of me. One got out this super shiny copper flask. The lady next to her was like "oh that looks nice!" and they start talking about it. The lady that got it out said something about copper, its health impacts blabla and how she got it last week from Amazon. And I'm just sitting there, holding it together, almost laughing out of frustration, about this whole situation. Like, maybe she did actually need a bottle to hydrate herself outside, but... |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
You act like they're doing any of it besides the smug moral solace
No I don't. I'm capable of being honest, and judging myself by thr same standards I judge others. You just assumed that I'm not. |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
Which one of those things are you doing?
At the moment, a bit of the first, and a bit of the third. Its hard to be an agent of one's own will to power when one is seriously crippled. So mostly what I am doing is physical therapy so that I can get back to being a more effective agent of my own will. |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
Maybe find an economic system not dependant on exploitation? There's gotta be one out there somewhere
Sure would be cool if anyone had any realistic plans for achieving such a thing. |
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betterdeadthanreddit
lemmy.world
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-06 |
Wait, holup Didnt bazzel stop doing podcasts way before luigi happened? Or are you talking about an old episode
Looks like it was back in March 2022 so still a little while before Thompson's final claim denial. Show notes are available but it's not saying much more than what you get from the title of the episode:
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Fewer than a single box of ammo. |
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/ Sometimes I like to gaze lovingly into their faces while writing their names in my diary.
Something to remember about the Forbes List: the most terrible people of all, aren't even on it. There is a level of wealth that floats above mere billionaires, for which there almost isn't even a category. Forbes knows not to mention these families in the context of some tawdry popularity contest among nouveau riche Techno Trash. They are mostly centuries old multi-generational wealth like monarchies, the Rothschilds, sheikhs, organized crime families, dictators, etc. They aren't on the list, but they hold the real wealth, and more importantly, the real power. Everything else is an illusion of their making. |
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Imagine if we just locked all the doors and firebombed Davos. Could save humanity in one day of work. edit: for legal reasons I wish to clarify this is a joke
edit: for legal reasons I wish to clarify this is a joke Sure {wink!} 😉 |
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ToTheGraveMyLove
sh.itjust.works
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-01-29 |
Fewer than a single box of ammo.
Depends on the caliber |
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dustyData
lemmy.world
dustyData@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
To be fair on those: Most people can't afford to move so if you live in the desert then you're stuck in the desert even if the living cost would be lower somewhere else post initial moving cost, doubly so if its the only place near your job. No the car lobby and US city design did. No yeh fuck these people Doubly fuck these people.
On one hand, yes, sure, fuck those people, 100%. On the other hand, remember that those people are encouraged and most likely exist only because of disinformation propaganda campaigns designed, promoted and delivered by the same bus load of people. So, you know, perspective. |
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monkeyFromTheLake
programming.dev
monkeyFromTheLake@programming.dev Joined: 2025-02-19 |
Because the average American and European feels their convenient lifestyle is more important than the life of the planet. They'll talk the talk about the environment, but they won't walk the wall with their votes or actions.
Please do not put Europeans in the same pot with US Americans. These days are altogether over but for the topic of fighting climate change things were different for quite a while. |
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prole
lemmy.blahaj.zone
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-06-11 |
Say the Americans who consume 3x the energy of other developed nations. "Jeff bezos forced me to live in the desert and run AC 10 months of the year" "Bill Gates made me drive my car to get groceries" "Bring back plastic straws" "Roll coal, baby!"
What? |
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Tja
programming.dev
Tja@programming.dev Joined: 2023-12-18 |
I like how the post is about the bus load of rich people that do the most polluting and we started blaming each other. Focus people. Our cars do pollute, but nowhere near as much as a these rich bastards.
Much more, in fact. I did the math a while ago and just plastic straws cover private jets for about a week. Moving half the US traffic from cars to public transport would do marvels for CO2 levels, more than outright banning private jets. |
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Tja
programming.dev
Tja@programming.dev Joined: 2023-12-18 |
They literally conspired to make the entire country not only dependent on their products, but did so knowing the harm those products caused to both the people and environment. The majority of the blame rests there and pretending that any amount of "personal responsibility" needs to be addressed is just so fucking stupid and self-defeating that it practically borders on sabotage. Let's get mired...
Our own minuscule largely involuntary contributions sum up to 20 million barrels of oil per day (in the US) 10 million per day (in the EU) and 17 million (in China). I don't think Musk alone is consuming that... |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
No I don't. I'm capable of being honest, and judging myself by thr same standards I judge others. You just assumed that I'm not.
I didn't "assume" that, it was indicated by the smugness of your keyboard warrior "just do such-and-such, or succumb to doomerism" argument. |
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AxExRx
lemmy.world
axexrx@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-06 |
Something to remember about the Forbes List: the most terrible people of all, aren't even on it. There is a level of wealth that floats above mere billionaires, for which there almost isn't even a category. Forbes knows not to mention these families in the context of some tawdry popularity contest among nouveau riche Techno Trash. They are mostly centuries old multi-generational wealth like mon...
My understanding of it is that its not really some conspiracy to hide the top wealth; the forbes lists are all opt- in. They reach out to a bunch of Uber wealthy, people, and those who want in send back bios and stats for them to rank and publish. At least that's the way it was explained to me. I dated an heiress for a while, and at one point her dad told me hed only ever had his name on the list for one year, and that was as part of the 'debut campaign' for his second wife. Of you look ar the list it makes sense. It's mostly the new rich, people still seaking validation and status from their wealth, the sociopaths and a lot of the tech bilionaires like elon and zuckerberg who treat it like a competition, and people who benefit from the name recognition and status perception for their company, like all the fashion and design company owners using it to help associate their brands with luxury, and the investment banker types like Bloomberg, ken griffin, etc, who use it to show success of their companies and get other rich people to invest with them. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
At the moment, a bit of the first, and a bit of the third. Its hard to be an agent of one's own will to power when one is seriously crippled. So mostly what I am doing is physical therapy so that I can get back to being a more effective agent of my own will.
I prefer Schopenhauer's Will to Life which Nietzsche plagiarized during his psychotic ramblings. If Nietzsche was right about the Will to Power being the essence of life, then fascism would be justified. What is fascism besides an exercise in Will to Power devoid of empathy? Hitler loved Nietzsche. He corrupted a lot of the things Nietzsche said. Nietzsche wasn't inherently fascist, and actually abhorred authority. But his Will to Power rhetoric did lend itself to the development of fascist ideology. Life isn't merely some competition between rivaling species of plants that will overwhelm the other if the other doesn't overwhelm them first. That's what happens when there's an imbalance in an ecosystem, such as with the introduction of non-native plants. If that were perfectly fine as an analogy for human society and behavior, then what argument could be made against colonization and ethnic cleansing? The same argument would justify capitalistic exploitation, extractive industry, "infinite growth," and zero-sum economic systems. To be clear, those things are evil, but that's why I don't believe in the Will to Power. (True that Nietzsche didn't mean it that way, because he personally was anti-authority, but he failed to consider what it would mean for an authoritarian figure with the intention and capability to enforce an evil Will to Power). But in a balanced ecosystem, life isn't a zero-sum game. Lots of species symbiotically work together to maintain the balance, a sort of ecological homeostasis. On the species level, even predator-prey relations are symbiotic (without wolves, deer overpopulate and overconsume, then they starve and experience population collapse). So that's why I favor Will-to-Life over Will-to-Power. There's also Will-to-Good, which sounds great on the surface, but "Good" is hard to define, so it's mostly useless and can lend itself to corruption and perversity just as easily. |
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underisk
lemmy.ml
underisk@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-10 |
In reply to an earlier post
If you think paper straws and electric cars are going to save the environment you’re part of the fucking problem. It’s not enough, and it was never going to be. They knew it wouldn’t be when they came up with these things which is why these are the measures that are allowed to be taken. Laws and subsidies that would actually help are instead lobbied out of viability. So we’re left with electric car subsidies making Elon Musk the richest asshole in history and paper straws making everyone hate environmentalism while we still hurtle toward annihilation. |
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Fedizen
lemmy.world
Fedizen@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
In reply to an earlier post
This is good joke! Very funny that nobody has killed these people! L O L |
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REDACTED
infosec.pub
REDACTED@infosec.pub Joined: 2025-02-05 |
In reply to an earlier post
You could argue it, but at the same time no one prevents you from going to AliExpress and buying cheap solar. The fact that US decided not to invest, does not mean solar on global scale is doomed. Rest of the world is doing pretty well |
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Depends on the caliber
Valid. We could be efficient, and use one bullet each, or we could go for mayhem. Mayhem creates better historical photos that are more effective in warning future dipshits. That does require lots of ammo. |
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NewDark
lemmings.world
NewDark@lemmings.world Joined: 2023-10-12 |
In reply to an earlier post
That's... the point |
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NewDark
lemmings.world
NewDark@lemmings.world Joined: 2023-10-12 |
Would you say the health industry is exactly the same after Luigi?
Exactly? Of course not Almost exactly? Yes |
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AdolfSchmitler
lemmy.world
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
These people have physical bodies |
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Zephorah
discuss.online
Zephorah@discuss.online Joined: 2025-07-01 |
In reply to an earlier post
He did his Irish Goodbye before Luigi. I’m saying, the high potential for not getting reward money was known prior. |
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Zephorah
discuss.online
Zephorah@discuss.online Joined: 2025-07-01 |
In reply to an earlier post
A lot if time, as one example, it’s conditional on conviction. So not only do they have to cat h the guy they have to win in court. That’s not money in exchange for the tip itself. |
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TigerAce
lemmy.dbzer0.com
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-13 |
These few people / companies destroying the planet: BLAME THE CONSUMER! The amount of fucking everything up they do in a day is more than I do in a lifetime. |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
I prefer Schopenhauer's Will to Life which Nietzsche plagiarized during his psychotic ramblings. If Nietzsche was right about the Will to Power being the essence of life, then fascism would be justified. What is fascism besides an exercise in Will to Power devoid of empathy? Hitler loved Nietzsche. He corrupted a lot of the things Nietzsche said. Nietzsche wasn't inherently fascist, and actuall...
... Ok. I didn't mean to get into a philosophy argument, I meant to indicate my capacity to act in the world. Bring crippled significantly hampers that, when it comes to most kinds of physical actions. |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
I didn't "assume" that, it was indicated by the smugness of your keyboard warrior "just do such-and-such, or succumb to doomerism" argument.
No, you're not getting it: Yep, I am smug, hence the smug description of being smug. Meta-smugness. You're assuming that I do not count myself amongst being smug. I do. Its also not the only of those 3 things I do, see my other comment where you decided to give a pretty good, though mostly off topic explanation of Nietzche vs Schopenhauer, totally missing the part wherr I established being smug is not the only thing that I do. |
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
lemmy.world
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-18 |
If you think paper straws and electric cars are going to save the environment you’re part of the fucking problem. It’s not enough, and it was never going to be. They knew it wouldn’t be when they came up with these things which is why these are the measures that are allowed to be taken. Laws and subsidies that would actually help are instead lobbied out of viability. So we’re left with electric...
Oil execs are rich, but they aren't consuming 20 million barrels of oil per day by themselves. |
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earthworm
sh.itjust.works
SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-09-14 |
In reply to an earlier post
That page 404 errors for me. Here's an alt: |
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Jaysyn
lemmy.world
Jaysyn@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-04-09 |
I call it Mammon and it lives inside the minds of every capitalist. Every worker who believes in markets, in states, in police, in corporations. We must kill the capitalist in the heads of every worker.
I specifically refer to megachurches and "prosperity" Christians as Mammonites. |
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plyth
feddit.org
plyth@feddit.org Joined: 2025-05-11 |
In reply to an earlier post
Said the snowflake in the blizzard. You have part of the power. If you are willing to coordinate there will be enough power to change all relevant things. |
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