Neighbors aren’t using enough melatonin

If this way of thinking became more widespread, all it would achieve would be the addition of child fees, not the removal of pet fees.

I vaguely recall reading that such child fees would likely be illegal (in the US)? I think it might also be illegal to exclude families with children from being eligible to rent a given location. Don't quote me on either, though, because I don't have sources on hand.

don't spread this pro landlord bs

It's provincial here in Canada but I vaguely remember some building having a no child rule and then losing a court case when the strata tried to evict folks who ended up having kids.

In Brazil is illegal for landlords or apartment buildings to charge or prohibit pets on their units. They are some laws around, like it should be as big as you can charge it on your arms, can't use the common areas unless designated pet areas and can't be loud at night.

Tough one. I've never wanted kids and my God are they so goddamn loud...

But, as more of my friends have kids I feel more and more for parents, it's damned tough to raise kids and finding housing, especially in my city is brutal.

Still, not like a fee helps anyone beyond the landlord.

Apartments charging pet fees: 🫸

Apartments charging child fees: 🫸

Landlords being charged with crimes: 👍

They would absolutely charge a "children fee" if they were legally able to.

I would love to live in that utopia. No children allowed in an entire suburb would be heaven.

Kids generally don’t spread rancid piss everywhere, though.

I bet you could take it to court and get all those fees removed, since the precedent has already been set.

It's not legal to charge pet fees if it's for a service animal so it's probably related to that in some.

For services animals they cannot even enforce size or breed restrictions. I have in laws that used this to get a pit bull for their child with Down Syndrome. It wasn't a fee dodge, the apartment had a blanket no pet policy.

In the US, many mobile home communities require tenants be over the age of 55.

I’ve seen weird rules too, like 50% of the household must be over 55. So like if your spouse is younger but you are older than that is okay. This pretty effectively does a good job of restricting children just based on math and family dynamic without explicitly stating “no kids”.

One of my parents used to live in such a community. It was quiet as hell at night.

So restrictions like that are clearly legal and not considered ageism. (I might have considered living in that same community if I were old enough.) But apparently restricting children would be illegal?

Children are members of society. They're imperfect, but still. As other members of society, we have a duty to at least tolerate them.

I find it very sad that some people treat them like a different species. You wouldn't hear people say, without being countered, "I don't want to see old people" or "I don't want to have to interact with women". It's fucked up, you don't choose the other members of society.

I do agree with you as a childfree person who doesn't like children. Most of the time I blame/hate their parents instead. Like the parents of the kids upstairs. One of them has a "band". For the past year he's been trying to learn 3 songs almost every day in the evening. It's incredibly annoying to listen to this musically untalented kid when I'm tying to relax. Put some goddamned headphones on him, for fuck's sake.

The post isn't criticising the kid, it's criticising that they have to pay extra for their cat.

My cat is a member of society too. And she's a better person than any human of any age

Cats generally don't either

Why does your intention to do nothing take priority over his intention to do something?

A worrying number of people have somehow become detached from the fact that children - even the tiny, shitting, screaming ones, are fully equal people to them.

No, it's a cat.

I know antropromorphization is at an all time high right now. But no, your cat is not people.

Fair housing act makes it illegal to deny housing or charge more based on having children.

Senior aged restricted housing is legal because seniors vote. The exception is a different law and explicitly makes it okay.

Your comment is disingenuous at best. How would you like to listen to a kid trying to learn the same 3 songs for a year, almost every day, and failing at note 10 each time? Why is my moment of peace after work so valueless that it can't be respected with a SMALL change of the kid using headphones to reproduce the sound of his instruments? I'm not saying don't stop. I'm saying have the common sense to understand your child isn't the next Mozart and put some headphones on him. I already can't enjoy a nice sunny day on the weekends on my balcony without them running and screaming above me. At least give me a break after work.

(edit: incorrect double negation)

Literally.

• You want something to happen - silence
• You are aware of how it can happen - something in someone's ears
• You have the power to make it happen - earphones and earplugs are incredibly cheap
• You instead want someone else to do something about it - him not you.

You are 2026

Society rather wants people to have kids and not pets for self-preservation reasons

Has it occurred to you I don't live alone and would like to hear my partner? Or should I adjust all the time to someone else's whims when they could reduce their noise towards all inhabitants of the building?

Both are animals. And a cat is at least as intelligent as a 4yo. Even some 8yo kids can't claim that.

People just don't want to be annoyed. It's in the same vein as 'I don't want to see drunks'. Spoiled kids and the uncontrollable alcoholic are almost identical in how annoying they can be.
On that note, 'I don't want to see someone's racist, demented grandpa piss on the doormat' would also be pretty popular.
Would be better for everyone involved if human kids were raised in creches by professionals instead of whichever rando managed to have unprotected sex at the right/wrong time.

Encouraging renters to have kids is a rare long-term investment strategy by the landlord class

Excuse me, but the bigger scam is the entire Landlord concept

Get a emotional support animal bagde from Amazon. They cannot charge you for the pet AND you can sue them if they give you shit. Fight landlord bullshit.

Our experience with children being raised in a group setting by professionals is too full of rampant abuse for this to become an acceptable reality. Even those programs that haven't propagated systematic physical and sexual abuse soon fell into dangerous neglect through lack of funding or corruption and embezzlement.

Do people being outside really cause you that much of an issue? My neighborhood has tons of kids. They're just there existing. The closest thing to being bothered is just making sure I don't back in to anyone if they're playing. Which isn't that hard, nor does it add any issues to my day since you know I look behind me when I back up.

If you had said apartment complex or condominium I'd get it, but like in a suburb everyone has their own detached home.

Landleeches being charged at with the nearest blunt object: :3

Has it occurred to you

Would you be offended if I said absolutely not?

Go buy some soundproofing off AliExpress and/or go find something you enjoy doing without the expectation that those around you think you're good at it.

I once toured an apartment that charged pet fees and for dogs REQUIRED A DNA TEST so they could fine you for not picking up poop.

Someone out there is dna testing literal dog shit.

You still need medical documentation and they can demand proof.

Change the appartment.

Don't give them ideas

I worked in building management for a few years, obviously rules are going to be different depending on the region but I can say that I was quite surprised to find out that no in fact, if the building is not pet friendly, a person does not have the automatic right to bring in a support pet. Because a lot of people choose NON pet friendly buildings due to allergies, etc. nobody has the right to override the rights of those other tenants. If it's essential, they'll be asked to move. At best the medical need would grant them the right to break their lease early. If it comes down to it, it will be argued why that person did not find a pet friendly building to begin with.

It’s not an uncommon thing for some male cats that haven’t been neutered…

Yes, have your house cats neutered

You all understand that the children fee is literally paying for enough space to house children?
Do your cats have their own room? ;)

My cats think that my rooms are their.

Wholeheartedly support, I wish my apartment complex did that. Dog poop all over the place.

This sounds like someone that has never seen what cats can do to a property when the owner doesn't take care of them.

Piss drenched carpet and moldy walls are a pain in the ass to fix.

That is not how that works at all. For starters only dogs and miniature horses are even recognized as valid protected service animals. And there is no valid badge or certification for that.

While emotional support animals can have a protected class for housing in some circumstances it would at a minimum require a recognized medical disability and documentation from a medical professional confirming your need for that animal medically.

Buying some worthless patch off Amazon is going to hold absolutely no weight whatsoever legally. Even after all of that you would most likely just be asked to move there is a reason that certain places are not pet friendly and it's to give people with allergies and other issues with pets a space

They do though, especially as they get older.

When the owner takes care of them too. I'm sure their downstairs neighbors disagree on what the cat does all night.

... oh, wait, the post was about the day, they may agree on that.

Lol where does this knowledge come from? If you really think that it's normal that cats spread piss at the place they live, you're wrong. If the cat is in heat, yes. Or sick, yes. Or the litter box is never cleaned, yes. Or if the cat is driven crazy, yes...