Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.

We're currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.

We will share further updates once we have them.

Update 2026-04-22 23:25 UTC: anarchist.nexus federation has been reactivated.

We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated.

Lmaaaoo

Just so I get this right, you defederated an entire instance because a singular user has lost it and called for violence?

this is a bit embarrassing

Yeah im about to switch to my solarpunk account full time or make one on the now de federated instance full time. Lots of the instances suck but ive ignored this for too long. Duces

Guess I need to move instances

it wasn't a regular user. it was a member of their admin team.

I am confused. If the admin in question is no longer an admin, what's the need for defederation?

defederation was done while this person was still an admin

Which is still just a single person.

If the instance in question fails to remove the admin, then the only valid conclusion is that the admin team of that instance supports that type of behavior.

The only possible way to proceed is to defederate from the instance, at least until there are significant changes in the administration, starting with an admission of wrongdoing and an apology. Until that happens, the entire community should treat that instance as malicious.

the tea is all over yepowertrippinbastards, and i gotta say i agree with the prevailing sentiment. mrkaplan is making a bad move, but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation that pervades .world.

You let one Nazi drink at your bar and you're a Nazi bar.

You only gotta fuck one goat.

From what I saw, the 'call to murder' was someone having kill all zionists in their username, and that only makes sense as a real call to violence if we're supposed to take everyone's username seriously and literally. That would be a very weird world to be in, as then we'd have to accept that we're reading posts written by Star Trek characters come to life, inanimate objects, and various bodily fluids. Without evidence of something worth taking more seriously, at best this looks like the admin team doing something silly, and obviously certain groups of Lemmy users will interpret it less charitably and as the LW admin team being pro-genocide. Neither is a good look.

And yet the world functions by having groups work together (not with nazis) like every single government on the planet. This person isn’t a nazi. And the bar isn’t a nazi bar. And the about federation is it isn’t like a bar. You can cut them off anytime so you can wait until it becomes (or doesnt) to defederate.

Having issues with a genocidal state is one thing, calling for a specific person to be murdered is another.

Can you post the comment where they called for a specific person to be murdered? A link would be great, but even a copy/paste would do well.

They do support the death penalty, which is gross. I think we should only kill zionist soldiers. Not the civilians. And we should do it in a legitimately conducted war. We should go to war with Israel, blow up their military bases, and force them to make peace with Palestine. None of that requires killing zionist civilians. In fact, killing civilians is often a war crime. So I don't support War Crimes Luminous.

A member of the admin team who is now not om the admin team anymore

I think speech on the issue of killing zionists is more serious than Star Trek and cum farts, because there's a war actively going on. And killing Zionist civilians during a war is starting to sound pretty war-crimey. We should only be killing Zionist soldiers.

If the instance in question fails to remove the admin

The post itself admits that the admin in question is no longer in their admin group. I don't know more beyond that, but it sounds like the instance may already be working towards making things right

Will the two instances work to refederate now that the (former) admin is no longer in power?

I've got a bit more knowledge of the narrative here so I'll explain. Luminous, the admin who said kill all Zionists, has voluntarily resigned as an admin in order to try and get anarchist.nexus refederated. But the prevailing sentiment on anarchist.nexus and its sibling instance is that Luminous did nothing wrong.

Personally, as an anarchist, I think we should only be killing Zionist soldiers, not the civilians. So I'm very concerned by this apparent support for what would likely amount to war crimes. Zionism is bad, but I don't support the death penalty for being a zionist.

Now if you look at the history of Gaza, it gets even worse. Netanyahu funded Hamas in the most recent Gazan election to help them win, because they were more radical and violent than the other parties. Netanyahu wanted Gaza to be governed by people who think killing all Zionists is okay. So I think that Luminous is playing into Israel's hands, and giving them the propaganda they want. Is defederation an appropriate way to keep this propaganda from spreading? Unclear, I'm still on the fence. But I'm definitely not on Luminous' side in all this.

You won't find sympathy here

I appreciate the openness of the moderation around here

The current admins continue to vigorously defend the admin who resigned.

Collective punishment is Zionist shit

I mean, the great thing about Lemmy, Piefed, and MBin being federated is there really isn’t a reason not to try different servers and services till you find the one you like best. Not like post history and karma mean anything here. Besides it’s nice having a backup account in case your main instance goes down for maintenance or gets DDOS’d. No reason not to have other accounts. Unless you’re doing it for ban evasion, or harassment, vote manipulation, or similar reasons ofc.

If someone said "Murder all Martians. Rimu is a martian." and then we spend hours debating whether it's ok to kill martians or not then that would be a waste of time. Because I am not a martian. Obviously there are situations where murdering Martians can be justified - the problem is someone calling for me to be killed based on made-up bullshit. Let's talk about that.

I don’t follow too much on Lemmy politics, but I don’t like saying anyone should be murdered. Why does that seem so normalized on here? Well to be fair, on the internet in general. Like to even have a discussion of well, you can say it in this case but not in that case. Wtf? We could not encourage it at all? Gives me the ick, seriously.

but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation

No, you know what, keep the typo; it's correct.

To some extent, none of that matters. There is no justification for calling for the extra-judicial killing of anyone, no matter how much you dislike their politics. That's just murder.

You might say that some people should face trial for their behavior, and you might support the death penalty as a punitive measure, and those statements might be valid and permissible.

Saying that anyone should be killed based on their personal beliefs or political views is fucking heinous, no matter the context.

If they are, then they can look forward to re-federating in the future.

But, as I said above, removing the problem person is only part of what the community should require.

And based on what @Grail@multiverse.soulism.net said, that may not be forthcoming.

it's not a typo, but I can see the syntax is unclear

despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it's moderation on political motivations

edit:

love when they try to poison the well and encourage dog piling. shows they are truly grounded in good faith. /s

While I agree with you to an extent, I'd like to point out there are many zionist civilians who are active participants in the genocide. How would they be handled? Also I find the idea of a "legitimately conducted war" to be a fools notion. Violence can be a necessary and appropriate response, but it is ultimately corrosive to all involved. War, as they say, is hell. It is devoid of moral righteousness. If you are in a war, fight it, to survive, but know you aren't getting out intact nor clean.

Not attacking you, just my 2 cents.

My handle is serious. Deadly serious.

If someone, in the course of WWII, said "kill all Nazis", would you feel the same?

Keeping in mind Nazism, like Zionism, is a political identity one chooses...

Who’s in charge of that instance.
Are you suggesting that admins are never responsible for what they say because every admin is a single individual?
The admins of this instance have complete discretion over who they want to federate with.

I'm sure you'll have someone to satisfy your request someday.

Huh. They're a login-only instance, so I can't even go see what their ongoing discussions are.

Well, killing soldiers in a war is extrajudicial, and I think there are valid reasons to kill soldiers in a war. I want us to go to war with Israel and blow up their military bases, which would certainly cause the deaths of some soldiers. But soldiers sign up to put their lives on the line for their country, so there's a measure of fairness. Israel's draft complicates that argument a little bit, but not by much.

But I remain opposed to the death penalty. In a war, death is the only way to remove someone from being able to harm others. When we have other options, we should take them. If we manage to get Netanyahu into government custody, we should be keeping him alive so he can face trial for his war crimes. And then he should be put in prison for life.

When I say legitimately conducted, I'm talking about not committing war crimes. No targeting civilians, no poison gases, no atom bombs, no cruel and unusual weaponry, no torture of POWs. You know, the bare basics. War is hell, but we don't need to go making super-hell. Regular hell will do.

As for the civilians who are participating in genocide, I say put them on trial. Send them to prison. Civilians are defined by their not posing an active combat risk. If we defeat the IDF and then Bibi picks up a gun, then he's become a soldier. But if he surrenders, then we don't execute him, we put him on trial and send him to prison for life. And it should be a decent prison with a nice quality of life, because there's no need to punish people when they've already been removed from society and can't do anything to hurt people anymore. I'm a supporter of luxury prisons, they have a better rehabilitation rate and I don't believe in punishment,

Okay, but was the person accused a Zionist? If so, why not eject/defederate/ultimatum them instead?

I'd prefer a federation of rabid anti-Zionists than one of Zionists. It's the Nazi bar analogy, because EVERYONE should be against Genocide.

Viewpoint from the other side of the discussion:

https://threadiverse.link/anarchist.nexus/c/yepowertrippinbastards/p/598026/lw-banned-me-and-defederated-an-over-murder-all-zionists-in-my-display-name

Schindler, the list guy, was a Nazi. And he saved a thousand Jewish people from the Nazis. I don't think Schindler ought have been killed. Plus there's Operation Paperclip. They recruited Nazi scientists to work at NASA and help get a man on the moon. I'm not educated enough to understand the full ramifications of Paperclip, but it seems like a decent idea.

But all of that is kinda besides the point, because Netanyahu has a very different propaganda strategy to Hitler. A more sophisticated one. Netanyahu wants there to be extremists who would see him dead. He funded Hamas during the last Gazan election, because of their violent rhetoric. There is serious evidence that he and the government knew about October 7 and deliberately allowed it to happen by suspending the border patrols during the crucial hours. He's got a plan.

Israel thrives on the violent rhetoric of its opponents, because they want to call us terrorists. That is why we must conduct ourselves with the appropriate restraint to beat these allegations. Luminous' rhetoric sounds terrorist-y. They're advocating for the killing of civilians. That's terrorism. We need to be better than that, or we can't win the propaganda war and gather allies.

It was a username, which was changed to be or include 'MurderAllZionists'. This was taken personally, it appears.

*found the thread directly from the user in question.
https://anarchist.nexus/c/yepowertrippinbastards/p/598026/lw-banned-me-and-defederated-an-over-murder-all-zionists-in-my-display-name

Everyone bases their decisions on political motivations, it's part of being a political species.

But those “civilians” are actively killing Palestinians as well. There isn’t really a delineating line here when the politics are aligned across the entire country civilians and soldiers, and the country is utilizing civilians as a mechanism to continue the genocide, through settlers who are committing crimes just as bad as the soldiers are. Why do the soldiers not get a trial but the “civilians” do?

To be abundantly clear, I do not agree with “kill all Zionists” in any way shape or form. But I am disagreeing with the entire premise of this conversation. LW is banning someone based not on what they do or have done, but based on a political call that was in their username. You said it yourself, we should kill Zionists soldiers (not saying I agree with this but it is in the conversation). So what makes your point of view so legitimate but their point of view a reason for complete defederation? Imagine the UN even existing if something like this got you kicked out of the conversation.

Why would you leave out the bit where they called MrKaplan a zionist?

Do you think they'd be calling for that if so many moderators of .world didn't seem to defend and support fascism? What do you think the rest of us think? Cuz I'll give you a hint, being an anti-fascist doesn't mean I think we should have tea with them.

My grandma's a zionist. She's a little old lady who lives in Australia. She's not Jewish, she's a Christian. But she's fallen for the propaganda that says the holy land is owed to Jewish people. She's gone for a holiday in Israel a few times because the place is important to her faith. But she's disappointed in Israel for its war crimes in recent years, the same as most people. She wants peace, she just hasn't realised that Israel is fundamentally anti-peace. She might get there one day.

I don't think grandma deserves to die. The only thing she's done wrong is give Israel's economy a few thousand tourism dollars. That's bad, but it's not death penalty bad. I want grandma to live.

I don't know if defederation is an appropriate response, I haven't made up My mind. But I do know that Luminous is harming the Palestinian cause by giving Netanyahu the violent rhetoric he wants people to hear from his enemies. Netanyahu wants his enemies to look like terrorists. Luminous looks like a terrorist. I want us to look like we're interested in stopping the killing.