But it's unlikely that the admin team is gonna do anything

Trolling is not an ongoing issue from anarchist.nexus. This is just online drama between two admins affecting the whole userbase.

Some instances like https://lemmy.zip/ have a very short defederation list: https://lemmy.zip/instances

7 instances, including 2 owned by Meta.

They still suggest some user-level blocking for new joiners, but that way people who want to still see everything can.

Same logic for https://piefed.zip/

Saying that anyone should be killed based on their personal beliefs or political views is fucking heinous, no matter the context.

Unless you believe that the admin's comment was made in the context of suggesting that "Zionists" (unspecified - generally?) should be killed while in combat (specifically), I think all of that is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Given all of the discussion around this incident, it seems clear that the admin was proposing murder, not warfare.

And you have proof? Because everyone has proof of .world's actions of censorship and removal of Palestine issues.

Why not?

Such as? You can use words.

Oh man, Rimu lied about leftists? Must be a day that ends in y.

So does Anarchist.nexus and Db0. Meanwhile Kaplan just does things to appeal to his ego and his sugar daddies hosting his zionazi fourm.

That would mean the end of Kaplan's ego, so no.

Now if we’re talking about an assassin killing Hitler during WW2, then I’m on the assassin’s side.

What fascinating brainworms.

Let's say I want to assassinate Hitler. Allied intelligence finds out about my plot and supplies me with information about Hitler's whereabouts. They also send me a bunch of C-4 for me to use however I please. I then proceed to use the C-4 to blow up Hitler.

Do you approve or disapprove? If you approve, then how is that meaningfully different from the state simply sending an assassin? The fact that I'm not vetted or trained and might get cold feet, or blow someone else up? Or is it just that I'm not getting paid that makes the difference? What about if they give me a medal afterwards, if I accept, does that make it wrong?

Exactly how connected to the state do I have to be for killing Hitler to magically become immoral? Help me understand.

Fk yeah! Lemmy drama juice! Hasn't had any in like a day. Premium stuff.

the best theories aren’t necessarily working out in practice

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Unfortunately, no matters of how great any idea is, as long as any living creature (particularly humanity) is involved, things will go to shit.

Kaplan allegedly being g*rman is of course the icing on this whole shit-sundae. The absolute state of the g*rman christians is why I'm churchless atm. Like I used to be very critical of how the GDR treated churches, but I must say, I get it now... It's the year 2026 and there are still "prayers for pissrael" hosted it's jokerfying

He really reads "death to colonizers" and goes "shit that's me! I colonize and subjugate!"

at least he has self-awareness which makes him smarter than most g*rmans

Hello 😏

And your link just requested a piefed.social login for me

Do piefed instances not allow read-only access to non-logged in users?

https://anarchist.nexus/c/yepowertrippinbastards/p/598026/lw-banned-me-and-defederated-an-over-murder-all-zionists-in-my-display-name

we are not zionists. if you call for zionists to be murdered and then call us zionists that is a call to murder us, despite a lot of people claiming that it's "just a harmless political slogan". this is normalization of mass murder. we do not tolerate genocide or other murders either, which is also an accusation that a lot of people are throwing around here. accusations of zionism, mostly from dbzer0/AN users, are constantly thrown around against people that they don't deem to be radical enough.

your link is taking me to anarchist.nexus's login page

Also why shouldn’t the .world users get to have a voice?

i mean, they never had one to begin with, when was the last time the admins did a vote or follow popular consensus? the admins has shown they dont really care if they are unpopular

Now, I'm an innocent* bystander normie who's just wandered in here.....

But the way you write is pretty strident(?). I get that this language is developed over time and many interactions that I've not seen, and yadda yadda

But you are the FIRST person I've seen say "netanyahoo created Hamas"

Who tf sincerely says/believes/promotes that? The comment you replied to sure didn't. Nowhere in this thread afaik has anyone made a statement even resembling that.

No shit Sherlock opposing interests will try to manipulate their opponents by doing shit like promoting/helping/enabling the "worst elements" in their opposition. That's not new and occurs everywhere and apparently there is clear and compelling evidence that Netanyahu worked pretty hard to make sure that Palestinians were represented poorly.

So, I guess.... Thanks for letting us know that someone out there has that ridiculous rhetoric? But it's not relevant to the commenter you were replying to, or anything else afaik.

• my innocence is debatable and relative

We're currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation

Block the mod on your personal list, don't defederate?

Well then I reserve the right to bitch as loudly as I want then.

Well then it's unlikely I'm going to stop complaining.

Oh boy, another thread to bolster my blocklist :)

Not accepting calls for death of millions is very reasonable.

Zionist simply means the right of the Jewish people to self determination to have a state, where they are the majority and safe from persecution.

The majority of Jews worldwide and millions of others support the continued existence of Israel.

If you support a two state solution, you are a Zionist.

Calling for the death of Zionists is a call for the death of the vast majority of Jews and millions of others people worldwide. This wouldn’t even be a discussion, if it targeted any other group.

The Fediverse has too many bloodthirsty extremists.

Sure thing diva... you're one of the big tankies.... I'm sure you have alts ready to go once .ml ever gets defederated.

Also calling posts on meanwhileongrad nazis just proves my point. There are tons of instances there of tankies suggesting killing people who would go against them.

The federation dropped hexbear as a whole...not the other way around...and a shit ton of users on pretty much all instances are in support of dropping .ml because of the amount of tankie crap that comes from it, but they haven't yet because of the lemmy devs.

for an innocent bystander you sure seem quick to tone police

i was responding to this:

netanyahu funded hamas in the most recent gazan election to help them win

"israel created hamas" narrative has been an extremely common zionist talking point, just because the phrasing here is slightly different doesn't change that

'represented poorly' is liberal optics framing; they're a colonized people resisting a genocide; colonizers are going to portray any effective resistance as violent terrorism

the 'anarcho anti-realist' i am responding to has a history of claiming extremely radical politics but then regurgitating bog standard liberal zionism, hence my 'strident' response

Ah the irony of not being able to see your lemmy.zip link bc I'm in the UK...

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Being a Zionist and actually responsible for the deaths of thousands and eventual genocide of millions is very unreasonable.

The Fediverse has too many moderate Nazis.

No they cannot, because Kaplan is on an agenda here. It has nothing to do with the user.

You are the one demanding a genocide of millions.

Are people calling for the death of millions of Iranians, Chinese, Sudan, Islamists, Azeris, Russians?

We have to kill the Jews so they don’t cause another world war is a literally Hitler argument.

People with modlogs like this shouldn't be saying shit, let alone not banned.

sigh Linking to posts and comments really is a massive weakness on the fediverse.

I suspect you can find the post in yepowertrippinbastards@anarchist.nexus on any server that remains federated with them.

I'm an anarchist and the only alts I have are ones I use for moderating outside of .ml

calling posts on meanwhileongrad nazis just proves my point.

It's a pattern of behavior of the users there. I made a whole post about how common it is on meanwhileongrad for people to complain about 'degenerate tankie roaches', specifically about queer users and wanting to 'wipe out vast swaths of degenerates' (from their feed).

I heard in Germany they let Catholic and Protestant churches run their hospitals and they are legally allowed to fire people for shit like getting divorced. It's such a backwards conservative country.

We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.

If .world doesn't defederate, dbzero never will, because they're only federated to troll...

This is how their admins are still acting:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67441443/25634912

It's not just this, their main admin bans people just for down voting any of their AI slop they spread over like 20 identical communities.

Anytime there's any kind of division, "divide by zero" will pick the position that will piss off the most people, and just wait for new users to stumble onto their instance.

They're a negative to the fediverse, along with a couple other instances with very low user numbers but a high degree of drama.

This is the sort of person that inhabits .world, yet criticizes Diva for being an evil tankie.

On any left leaning instance your account would have been permanently banned, .world however will allow you to be a vile disgusting person for years without stopping it.

Yea exactly. Pretty annoying.

Seems like it would be pretty simple for the Lemmy or piefed or whatever instance software to just returned the text of the post on that URL

IDK/not qualified to say if there's a good reason it doesn't, but I think it would be convenient for a lot of folks if it did.

a lot of lemmings like to dog whistle by saying they would not shed a tear if all zionists or anyone not protesting against them were killed

because they are cowards

The typical Zionist shit take, 'any criticism of Israel and supporters of it's genocide is actually antisemtism directed at all Jewish people . . . ignore the millions of Jews who hate Israel"

Lol you dig up comments that got me banned for calling out islam as a violent religion...boo fucking who. Right now it is, and tolerance from the left to give it a pass is how you end up with more violence. Deal with it.

O and while we're at it. The ban I got from the Ukraine sub was because I made a comment that putin should suck a dick, in which the incredibly dumb mod decided was homophobic and I should be banned for it... dumbest shit ever, but they didn't keep the comment because they knew that other users would agree that the ban was unwarranted. So they just said "homophobic slur" in the mod log to make themselves look better...

So yea....not chill with islam (or hell pretty much any religion, they're oppression wrapped in gold foil) but I'm super pro LGBTQ+ supporter... I literally have a range I own that I volunteer to train LGBTQ+ people who want to become firearm owners on.

Should I drag up some diva comments? Which are usually posted to meanwhileongrad?

I looked at your modlog to see what sort of person you were, and it was telling. You're a grade A racist, homophobe, bigot banned from all over the Fediverse.

Are you suggesting that admins are never responsible for what they say because every admin is a single individual?

Not at all. But by defederating the instance, you're not just punishing the admin, but every other user on that instance. It's a complete overkill reaction to something that is honestly a harmless threat. If I'd go nuts like that every time someone tells me he wants me to get killed I'd have a very high blood pressure.

Defederation is a last resort reaction if an instance is seriously incompatible with the rest of society, like .ml

Because this was their goal and the admins was just the excuse they're using to get rid of another instance world can see

Because Kaplan called themselves a zionist first?

For someone so anti genocide it's amazing how you are defending zionists 🤔

Lol I'm banned on tankie subs as are most of the people who go against your tankie shit. No one wants authoritarian rulers...nor do we want to hear russian or CCP propaganda...

That's why I was banned.

But yea...totally homophobic.