Lmao glad people moved here to a avoid petty reddit drama

Stop. Your nuance doesn't work with the right-wing astroturfers engaging in gaslighting here lol.

Do you agree that the problem is not only Netenyahu and the government but the state policies that never changed since the illegitimate creation of the state? Do you agree that war crimes do not make legitimate targets against a colonials genocidal army illigitmate?

A one-state solution is messy and complicated but it’s what the world needs.

Because they never remove Zionist advocates

No idea - it was introduced by the less overtly fascistic of the two parties alternating in government, so... D:

Though they are both losing ground to upcoming parties which are more radical than the main ones, so in case the Greens (a party in the left-liberal quadrant of the compass) or the Lib Dems (right-liberals) gets to be part of a coalition government in the next elections, they might be able to push through a repeal.

Hamas kicked off this war on October 7th. Hezbollah started shooting rockets at Israel on October 8th.

Israel had left Gaza in 2005 and Southern Lebanon in 2000. It was a war of choice for both of them.

When you lose a war, it’s a good idea to seek peace to protect what you still have, civilian lives, infrastructure, etc.

Continuing to fight a war you can’t win and where your civilians suffer the most, is terrible leadership.

The majority of Lebanese want Hezbollah disarmed because they repeatedly started wars with Israel, leading to death and destruction inside Lebanon. Hezbollah has murdered leftists and other Lebanese politicians for decades. They are the biggest destabilizing force inside Lebanon.

Hamas and Hezbollah are bloodthirsty fanatics, that will sacrifice a thousand of their own people to kill a Jew.

Just so we're all clear - the definition of zionism being used in this context is "someone who supports the existence of Israel as a Jewish state"

I'm thinking that it's quite likely that the .world admin in question would agree with the above sentiment, but would rather not inherit the downstream implications of what it means to define a colonial state by an ethno-religious identity.

Zionists aren't fit to be the local dogcatcher instance admin.

Right-wingers famously pay people to agitate for land back movements?

Hamas should accept the ceasefire, disarm, and let a Palestinian civilian government rebuild.

Oh come on, it's been 70 years, do you really think Palestinians never tried this? Do you not understand that there were events before the Al-Aqsa Flood that directly precipitated it?

I don't have any. If you and everyone else have so much, would you share some with me?

News to me that's relevant to what TORFdot0 said?

Yeah it's intriguing to me that there are those here who have a curious propensity to turning a blind eye to the legitimate war crimes of Hamas, Ayatollah, IRGC (and leaving aside their own domestic murder of citizens), Russia, and China. There seems to be a pattern here...

That's not me saying I condone the disproportionate acts of Netanyahu's far-right extremist regime either and I hope he faces charges for his war crimes.

It'd be a lot easier to refer to the Nakba, unless you're deliberately avoiding that reference.

Sure there’s a long and complex history. Hamas has fought the peace process all through the 1990s by suicide bombing Israeli civilians. Hamas also refused to join the PLO and caused a deep rift in Palestinian political unity, that lasts until today.

The PA in the West Bank certainly isn’t perfect, but their strategy didn’t result in tens of thousands of deaths. The Oslo process towards peace was never completed, but it still improved the lives of Palestinians far more than anything Hamas has done.

What good have the actions of Hamas done for Palestinians?

I'm not on the Matrix channel, this is more transparent than reddit and most social media sites, so yeah I think it is good

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I'll pop the popcorn!!

I don't think defederation is ever justified outside of technical reasons, like spam or other disruptive activities.

I don't think killing civilians is cool. (Each side feel free to project your biases onto that comment)

I think that there is a large population of people who share the toxic view that social media is a battleground and views people who disagree as enemies to be attacked. These people are often disruptive, toxic assholes. The way to deal with them is to ban them when they pop up.

I think it is extra stupid to stereotype people based on the instance that they signed up for instead of their stated opinions.

100%

It's always admin drama that leads to this. Look at any of the major instance defederations and it is always a disagreement that isn't resolved because the egos of the admins involved almost immediately turn the conversation into 'agree with me or else' instead of any kind of real dialog.

In this case, the person calling for murder in their username was removed as an admin so the issue seems resolved.

Zionism is bad, Ethnonationalism is bad, Murder is bad, War crimes are bad, Genocide is bad, Racism is bad

Many of the people involved in this conversation are toxic assholes who need to touch grass.

Hey there, Kaplan.

So, this is quite clearly now just a witch hunt by you.

For anyone else who is curious, this is what happened.

A user by the name of Luminous was an admin on Anarchist.nexus. They banned MrKaplan from a community for posting zionist apologia. Luminous also had 'Kill all Zionists' as their display name. MrKaplan took this as a personal death threat. Instead of speaking with any other admin from Anarchist.nexus and reporting the behavior, MrKaplan instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus.

In the next couple of days, Kaplan messaged other users/admins of Lemmy about the defederation and suggested defederation to others as well.

It was then posted about in the Piefed matrix channel. This led to PugJesus, someone who I abhor, actually saying something I agree with.

The conversation moves elsewhere. One bit of input that stands out is this. It will become important in a second.

In basically every situation, Kaplan is told that they're wrong or overreacting but Kaplan cannot see past the 'death threat' to their own mistake.

So, I messaged Kaplan. Conversation goes on and one thing is made clear

Kaplan never spoke with anyone and ran all of this off of an assumption. There was inconsistencies in how the different people felt because they were different people and not one organism. What was individuality instead came off as obliviousness and Kaplan took it personaly. See what I mean by it became important? Kaplan is talking about a 'lack of moderation' over something that Kaplan literally never reported or talked to anyone about and instead just made assumptions over.

@Ruud@lemmy.world, this is what you're backing. You went out of your way to make an instance that wasn't going to be reddit and you went ahead and re-created Spez, an admin who personally takes out their own feelings on anyone that they don't like and is trying to control the narrative of the entirety of the fediverse.

Friendly reminder to everyone. Check back a couple of months ago on this community and look at the post about JordanLund. A moderator who was openly lying to the admins in public but the admins took weeks to decide to do literally nothing. But a single user on another instance meant that MrKaplan was able to defederate it all.

This behavior from Kaplan is, quite literally, the reason that I left lemmy.world.

Don't believe me? Here's the last message I sent Kaplan during the Jordan garbage.

Funny. Jordan requires a ton of deliberation, reasons in the TOS, and you're all 'working on it' but a single user says something you don't like so instant defederation?

Edit: Quick note but every other post on this community has been featured. This one isn't. So you're making an announcement but you're not really announcing it. Any response to this, Kaplan?

Edit 2: Kaplan is just blatantly lying. As demonstrated above, Kaplan has literally zero evidence of this claim other than things "feeling odd".

Edit 3: Serinus joined the thread 15 minutes ago and now a number of my comments are being removed for 'misinformation' despite the comment above proving them to be categorically true.

Friendly reminder that they took weeks to do literally nothing about JordanLund, a moderator who was abusing his position to the point of being banned by multiple other instances. But a single user of another instance means that MrKaplan is allowed to defederate an entire instance.

Quite literally? None. MrKaplan and the lemmy.world team have made, abundantly clear, that they do not care what their users think and are doing what they want first and foremost. Thus why this was not asked of the community and was done as a kneejerk response days ago and only notifying the community now.

This is the "don't let perfect be the enemy good" crowd when it comes to resisting genocide. Youre ok with the dems supporting genocide, murder of hundreds of thousands, and tell people to support them, but when the only armed resistance of a desperate people lashes out in their desperation you condemn them immediately and would likely prefer them disarmed despite the consequences for this.

It is a personal issue against that one person. That one person is no longer an admin of anarchist.nexus and isn't an admin of dbzer0. Thus why this is, undeniably, a personal vendetta and quest by Kaplan.

I hope you've never used tahini or purchased store-bought hummus before, lest you too likely supported genocide!!

By all means, I hope you're voting in your state's Democratic primary or better, nominating yourself as an independent candidate from AIPAC! That is of course if you're even American... ?

I agree with your statements that the problems go beyond just Netanyahu but I would characterize the establishment of the current state as problematic than illegitimate.

Then discourse then would be whether the Jewish people have a claim to the land, the same as Arabs. I believe, despite the wrongs of the crusaders, colonialism, and religion in the region; they do.

I hate that the region is more or less established due to geopolitics, exploitation by the wealthy and political classes, and religious fervor than fairness than the right of a people to self-govern.

This is the best write-up about the drama that I've seen in this thread. Beautiful work as always Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Taiwan doesn't have the military power to take over mainland China, but they certainly want to.

The difference between a peaceful person and a harmless person is a peaceful person has the strength to cause harm but chooses not to, but a harmless person doesn't have the strength to cause harm, even if they wanted to.

Taiwan wants to cause harm, but isn't capable of it. That doesn't mean they're any less imperialist than China. Don't forget they fought the communist party with everything they had and would do it again if they could.

You cannot support a Zionist and not be a Zionist yourself.

If there's one Zionist at a table...

I'm sorry Kap, but you are 100% a zionist and you don't get to argue that. You simply don't get to claim you aren't one when your actions speak otherwise.

When it comes to the whole 'murder all zionists thing', this just kind of proves the point that you are a zionist in the first place. No one who isn't a zionist would fly off the handle into such a petty rage like you have. There's also the fact that you're silencing voices, refusing to allow people to speak, and using collective punishment on the entirety of dbzero and anarchist nexus due to the actions of a single fucking individual.

Yeah. You're a zionist Kap.

you unilaterally defederated from Anarchist.nexus days ago.

this bears repeating, this announcement comes days after, presumably when they realised that woops i guess we also have users that might care about this?

This is what a managerial outlook, "making tough decisions about the future of this project" looks like.

Yup, this guy gets it. This decision is bad enough that I think the admin who did it should be removed. Someone in a position of high authority should be held to a HIGHER standard, not a lower one; if there is significant distrust, even if it's from less than a majority of the userbase, they should be removed.

It's only fair that they get a turn doing a genocide. After they're satisfied, the Romani can have a go at it. The Slavs have already started, odd choice genociding other Slavs but everyone should have a bit of self determination.

Later down the road it will be interesting figuring out the turn order for the gays, disabled and Jehovah's witnesses, not that I think any one of them will be particularly effective.

Then, finally us, anarchists. Not sure how much I'll like it, but I'm looking forward to the opportunity to engage in a project with my peers.

Seems like petty bullshit. An admin has access to the block button. They could have blocked the user, or the instance. I'm okay with an instance ban for the user but defederation without any input from .world users because of personal grievance feels like a major over step.

Ban the user, sure, since calls to violence in a user name is a bit much. That being said, I think Kaplan should be removed from the admin team, and refederation should occur. Defederation like this and for these reasons is well above what's expected.

Threats of defed against db0 are fucking gross. Clearly, someone is upset their bad behavior keeps getting called out in the ye tripping bastard sub. Do better.

But they're not of dbzer0. So where is your justification for claiming that you are talking about defederating with them? Oh right. Literally none.

Well, in this case it seems really out of place to defederate. But otherwise i like to think that defederation is something that you could use more than in last resort : yes it breaks the network, but the network should also work as broken, that's one of the strenght of federation to me. I'm not a technical person and still a newbie, so i might be missing important bits, don't hesitate to correct me if this is the case, but i felt like sharing another point of view.

No they're not Rimu, you're wildly misrepresenting reality.

They're attacking the defederation and saying that Kaplan overreacted. Some think that Lum went too far, others do not, but it is not the consistent opinion that you make it out to be.

I agree with your statements that the problems go beyond just Netanyahu but I would characterize the establishment of the current state as problematic than illigitmate

No, it was illigitmate since it was created by ethnically cleansing Palestinians

Then discourse then would be whether the Jewish people have a claim to the land, the same as Arabs

Jews who never left the land have claims to it. Europeens zionists thst without rhem Israel would not exists don't

I hate that the region is more or less established due to geopolitics, exploitation by the wealthy and political classes, and religious fervor than fairness than the right of a people to self-govern.

It is because the region is a key economical region for over a millennium for empires. Empires was using it to put pressure on other empires by denying access to ressources

Correct.

The action for defederation was taken days ago and the community was not notified at all. That was the problem PugJesus actually had. Kaplan just treating this like their own personal fiefdom.

Not really.

At the same time, lemmy.zip is being overcautious because I doubt Ofcom know what lemmy is.

And the truth comes out

What does any of that have to do with Ukraine

I'm sure you have references to us allowing people calling for others to be murdered to support your argument.

We don't support any murder, neither murder of zionists nor murder of anyone else.

The site structure can only do so much when what you hate is certain users. The idea of lemmy is that other instances can be free from the unjust actions of users on one instance such as this one-- which is a success.

You are a Zionist.

No hc simply believes in free speech and liberty we aren't authoritarian with our censorship