Especially now that PieFed has virtually solved the fragmentation issue, at least for people on PieFed instances.

Until Rimu personally deletes your account because you made a meme he doesn't like.

Hey look, OpenStar didn't respond to this because it proves them wrong.

Literally misinformation kept up because the admins like it. But sure, Serinus isn't biased.

It was a single admin, you liar.

Should have stayed defederated. Anarchist.nexus is a shitshow, just like lemmy.ml and dbzer0

What I have been seeing not only on .ml but by .nexus members in other places isn't just criticism of Zionism but shit like "there are no civilians in Israel" and calling Druze something along the line of "race traitors".

Links for proof?

So it's okay because you're bigger than them, got it. Have you guys defederated from HilariousChaos yet? Or is the open Nazi talk comfortable with you?

Bigger means stronger and that means it's justified!

Equating antizionism and antisemitism can get anyone banned from feddit if you go far enough regardless if you are zionist or antizionist.

Stop spreading misinfo about the Nakba. Groups like Betar committed plenty of acts of violence and anti-Arab terrorism which forced many Palestinians to flee. Like Zionists like you can just as shitty views and rhetoric as a lot of antizionists.

They just keep making threads on the only active community about getting banned/removed for the same shit which keeps pointing people here to rehash the same thing, over and over again...

You're active on that community, you've commented there.

And most likely after seeing one of the multiple posts there about this thread and all the trolls who have been banned for stirring drama, you came straight here and replied to a shit ton of people stirring drama...

Normal people don't want to interact with people who act like those instances encourage.

There's no solution except walling those instances off, and they'll just go after the next biggest instance dumb enough to federate with them.

If you don't like feddit.org, make an account on dbzer0 or anarchist.nexus, which should be defederated.

I am not a zionist though. I got called zionist, because antizionists with crappy dehumanizing takes can't handle criticism.

PFLP has been allied with Hamas on a level more like NATO since 2018. Oct 7 was technically run by the "Joint Operations Room" which is Hamas and PFLP and every significant Palestinian group with fighters in Gaza. Hamas is the biggest but PFLP is in there and one of the hostage exchange priorities was freeing Nader Sadaqa, the non-Muslim Samaritan PFLP leader.

Hamas in the 1980s was a religious zealot group that hated communists more than Israelis. But Hamas has working internal democracy, members vote for the leaders and what they support drifted over time so now Islam is dialed down to being a "frame of reference" for big tent Palestinian nationalism.

Just look in memes@lemmy.ml and you will find plenty of proof. It isn't easy to miss.

That's what I get for engaging in good faith I guess 👍 should have stuck with my first assessment of bluemaga

This is the "don't let perfect be the enemy good" crowd when it comes to resisting genocide. Youre ok with the dems supporting genocide, murder of hundreds of thousands, and tell people to support them, but when the only armed resistance of a desperate people lashes out in their desperation you condemn them immediately and would likely prefer them disarmed despite the consequences for this.

The previously defederated instance has 165 total accounts

The heck does that have to do with anything?

we can defeat zionist candidates just as Talarico did against Crockett. Just as Mamdani did against Cuomo.

then why aren't you? Do you not think the zionist candidates should be defeated, are you too lazy to do it yourself, or do you maybe concede it's a stupid ask of people fed up with the dems?

Also I don't know much about Talarico, but I know zohran has done a lot for zionism but nothing against it afaik.

Hi👋
Happy I switched to dbzer0 the last time LW defederated your instance. 😁

Israel destroyed 500 villages , palestinians was forced to leave due to the huge level of destruction and was never allowed to come back

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/25/study-1948-israeli-massacre-tantura-palestinian-village-mass-graves-car-park

Cheers mate.

Except they apparently don't? https://lemmy.ml/post/46249200/25302334
I find his political stance rather baffling tbh. They agree that Pissrael doesn't have a right to exist, requires mass murder to exist and yet "death to pissrael" is too far?

Lol you dig up comments that got me banned for calling out islam as a violent religion…boo fucking who. Right now it is, and tolerance from the left to give it a pass is how you end up with more violence. Deal with it.

"Why dig up comments to prove my islamophobia when I can just post them right here"

Dbzero is anti zioinist and anti tankis. I don't know your problem with then. Feddit.or though have many pro zionist mods

You have a user in this exact topic defending israeli genocidal actions that minimize the nekba claiming most palestinians left with no pressure. I reported multiple of his comments. You did not remove a single one of his comments. In fsct, besides one or two lemmy.world community, zionist posts never get removed. You may not be a zionist but you surely tolerate it

You are supporting the side currently in the process of exterminating palestinians

Thst is what you support

Islam is the current violent religion. Deal with it. Statistics don't give a shit about your feelings. You're against Catholics because they raped kids right? But you're okay with Islam that straight up murders and stones people to death on the regular.

Sorry but if you're going to label me, at least do it correctly. I'm guessing I need the label of "against all religions" but I'm sure that's not what you want to hear.

That is literally not possible except on his own instance, PieFed.social. He owns the instance, he calls the shots on it. You could spin up your own instance running PieFed software and call all the same shots on it, or join any of the other PieFed instances like PieFed.zip.

It would be like saying that you should not use Lemmy since Dessalines removes a ton of comments. I mean... perhaps true, but there are instances other than lemmy.ml, and the Lemmy software is kinda fucking awesome entirely separate from the abusive moderation practices of its instance admin team.

Yea, I just think theres a segment of liberals who are in denial about what a "Jewish State" actually is.

Either it's defacto segregation (which happens through social or economic means) and only nominally a Jewish state, or it's state-enforced segregation that requires apartheid and violence to maintain.

Either way - zionism is racist in its most fundamental aspects and should be snuffed out like chattel slavery and South African apartheid

damn you know what they say about hit dogs lol. Fucking fascist pos

Sorry but if you’re going to label me, at least do it correctly. I’m guessing I need the label of “against all religions” but I’m sure that’s not what you want to hear.

the "rationalist" movement is fucking filled to the brim with misogynists and islamophobes. Like all these new atheists that "hate all religions" sure seem to be hating some more than others and curiously never the genocidal one.

There's a lot to unpack here. For the sake of convenience, I'm going to assume that what Luminous said was a legitimate call for violence and was therefore not complying with the Lemmy.world code of conduct.

If we assume that, then the Lemmy.world terms say that they can:

• remove the content and ask a user not to do it again, and/or,
• (if it's a second time) suspend the account temporarily, and/or,
• restrict or banish the community, and/or,
• remove all of that user's content, and/or,
• permanently ban the user.

I have no idea how many of those had already happened, I'm going to assume for convenience again that some of it did. The site bylaws also say that for community bans and content removal:

• Bans "should only be used as a last resort for hostile users OR for users that are known bad faith actors."
• "Any community user ban CAN and SHOULD have a clearly documented reason pointing to explicit rules broken."
• "any content that they DO remove, they should ideally be able to cite the community rules that were broken."

I note that all of Luminous' content was removed, and while the "Our Rights" section says this can happen, it somewhat contrasts with the guidelines for documenting content removal. But there's still nothing in any of this that suggests defederating from the entire instance is warranted or an appropriate course of action. If community bans are considered a last resort, then it seems logical that defederating has at the bare minimum the same threshold of seriousness.

Let's assume for convenience again that the comments from one admin can be sufficient cause for defederation, and its absence from the ToS is an oversight. If that's the case, then the bylaws and prior defederation examples (eg. lemmygrad) suggest that this should be adequately explained. But that didn't happen, and it's not clear whether the other admins were involved in the decision.

Even if all of the above reactions to Luminous' comment were justified and proper, the actions afterwards by lemmy.world admins / mods don't inspire my confidence. I can see there has been:

• This refederation announcement, only posted as a regular post (I found it yesterday by chance). It only briefly outlines the events leading up to this.
• One user in this thread has been temporarily community banned for "Spam, harassment" after three removed posts in the thread, which doesn't seem like spam quantity. Two of those posts cite the reason "this isn't about jordanlund", yet further down in the thread, an admin is litigating the jordanlund situation. Other far more off topic content is in this thread, so if that is a concern, it's not clear why the other comments remain.
• A few users have been permanently(?) banned from the instance with the reasons "troll" or "calling FHF members nazis". It's unclear whether the removed comments or user histories rose to the level of needing an instance ban.
• Multiple other users have been temporarily banned from this community for reasons spanning from "uncivil" to "disinformation", to "sealioning and harassment". Many of the removed comments from those users did not seem to meet those descriptions either.
• Many other removed comments from non-banned users, with varying levels of clear rules broken.
• One moderator indicating the defederation mostly only targets several "loud" people and the instance size is only 165 people, which undercuts both the reasoning for why defederation was necessary and the justification for including 150 users as collateral (along with anyone who may have wanted to interact with them). Several people can be dealt with using individual bans, and that quantity are unlikely to be negatively impacting lemmy.world at scale.
• No response from the only person further up the leadership ladder for whether / how Lemmy.world admin are evaluating the original decisions, governance process for defederation, or the bus factor and risks of one person being site admin and top moderator and infra simultaneously. Not even a "I'm alive and considering the issue" acknowledgement, unless done behind the cover of the lwadmin account.
• Lots of little bits of engagement otherwise from Lemmy.world admin or mods with various tangents in the thread.

Very little here seems to align with the by laws and expectations for proportionate community moderator conduct.

The situation looks to me like it has been poorly handled, and there is no sign of any compromise or admission that any of the events that up to now could have been handled differently, or a process for how it might be handled in the future. I just don't see much in the way of community building or good will, but I do see the same patterns that have inspired other lemmy.world drama over the years.

If one admin's comments or actions aren't sufficient for justifying defederation, then it's unclear why dbzer0 is being considered for defederation at all. But, if one admin's comments or actions are sufficient justification, then the situation in this thread opens the door for other instances to defederate from Lemmy.world.

I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.

You describe the political stance of feddit.org and we were defed for our stance by db0 and anarchie.nexus.

somebody link this g*rman the thread below they banned me because they are zionists.

I do the opposite.

I support the existence of Israel. I don‘t support the continuation of the war in Gaza, nor any of the shit going on in the West Bank.

You are mixing up the order. In many cases Palestinians fled first and the villages were destroyed to prevent their return. There were also forced expulsions and atrocities, yes.

The Arabs did the same to the Jews living in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza.

Antizionism and antisemitism are not the same, but often one is just cover for the other, or in effect indistinguishable.

Israel can go fuck itself as well, it shouldn't exist.

But now that I look at your account...lol fucking hexbear user... calling me out when you're a damn tankie to the core, you're just left wing authoritarian who is fine with genocide of those that oppose you. Lol we're done here kid.

Better a left wing authoritarian that mass murders racists and nazis than a nazi 🤷

You justifid and lied about the severity of the nekba and the current genocide. You support the extermination of Palestine

You are lying since you blame everything on khamas, knowing very well that khamas will not surrender and israel will continue stealing more palestinian land and lied abiut the nekba

Yeah I thought that was a mistake by db0 as well, but ultimately their decision, whether we like it or not.

In most case palestinian was forced to leave because without them leaving you could not create a jewish state since jews only have 9% of the land and it was disperced. The villages was not empty they was full of people as proven from zionist testimony about tentura.

The expulsion of jews from arab countries in response to israel expulsion of Palestinian was wrong and while the majoritarly was expulsed, other was forced to leave by zionist false flags and deal with between zionists and certain arab leaders like Operation Yachin.

Under international law, the forcible transfer of populations and the** destruction of property of a population** that has been forced out constitute crimes against humanity and are key elements of ethnic cleansing

Even if you believe the lie that most left willingfully . The destruction of property and preventing Palestinians to return is ethnic cleansing

I'm embarrassed I donated $10 on the last donation ask if these two are the quality of admins Lemmy tolerates.

I'm outie.

Lol sure thing, you're just another pro-mass murder. You just want to kill anyone who disagrees. You're no better than the IDF and russians.

I think your point about a war going on is spot on, but backwards.

While the project of zionism is engaged in genocide, kill all zionists is pretty clearly a call for resisting and punishing genocide.

Just as during a deeply homophobic regime, be gay do crime is clearly understood as a call to resist our illegitimate system.

Because Luminous both called the admin team Zionists and also placed a Swastika onto an icon of the FHF. It’s like calling someone a “traitor” - it doesn’t have to be true, it can just be a pretext to murder them regardless.

Just noticed nobody had corrected you on this. It was Deceptichum who placed a Swastika onto an icon of the FHF, not Luminous.

it’s not merely the death threats levied against the admin team that are problematic, but rather the constant calls for murder shared from both AN and db0 users (as well as ML)

Constant, really?