Yes, but you do realize that the people that live there work at those businesses. If tourism doesn’t exist in those areas, those jobs that they rely on wouldn’t exist.

Trickle down economics on Lemmy, Christ.

I suppose I should expand on that, my understanding of trickle down systems are those that benefit the rich at the expense of their poor. My argument for why it benefits the rich: your comment on the benefits of tourism. My arguments why those benefits come at the expense of the poor: their comment listing all the expenses those benefits come at.

As another Lisboeta, preach!

there are no cities "whose economy is entirely based on Tourism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancún

Cancún is a planned city, created to foster tourism.

Or the Strait of Hormuz closing and jet fuel suddenly skyrocketing in price. According to someone I know who’s taking a flight to the UK next month, it’s really not clear if it’ll be affordable or possible for her to come back. Apparently a lot of flights have already been canceled.

I don’t know that you really read what I said. You agreed with me while ignoring the differences I offered.

And there are plenty of cities with shitty traffic, and many of those cities have shitty traffic because we Americans love single-occupancy cars, sprawl, and barely token public transportation.

Evil? Jesus fucking Christ you're immature and an idiot

You know any of those people can start a business a well. Right. Right? It's not about trickle down. It's about people choosing A job. Shit I got tired of working for people years ago and started my own company. At one point I couldn't afford a screw to finish a job. I had to talk a Lowe's employee into letting me have one. Last year I made a pretty great wage. I'm not rich, but I'm not suffering any more. Maybe. Just maybe, get off Lemmy, and everything else and stop feeling sorry for yourself. No one is going to hand you shit. Tourist town, big city. Small town, whatever.

Spent a weekend in Paris last year. Meals were €40-€100 for two with wine.

Can’t get out of happy hour in America without spending $40 for one.

That's a nice anecdote, but it's not the argument for tourist towns you think it is. You're merely arguing that they should aspire to join the ranks of the advantaged, at the expense of the poor. Not that the rich aren't advantaged at the expense of the poor.

"Just start a business lol" is also an argument used to defend trickle down economics. But you know as well as I, it's no panacea.

Just maybe, get off Lemmy, and everything else and stop feeling sorry for yourself. No one is going to hand you shit.

How arrogantly presumptive of you. If I told you I'm comfortable, and have no want or need for people to "hand me shit", would you respect my opinion more? Would you like to try again without the failed economic policy, anecdotal non-sequitors, or the classist ad-hominems?

Look, I am NOT a bigot

But think about it. . . . Would you want your kid to marry a . . . a tourist?

You just go to the capital tree and get the startup money!

Meh, I saw an American tourist get up and scream at a waitress "why don't you speak English!"

That's my point. I started mine with about 100$. If you can't get that. Go sell Kool aid. Shit it you can't afford that ask anyone for a dollar, go buy some, and start making something. People want to be handed everything.

Your efforts to educate failed the moment you pegged GDP as a measure of happiness. You sure you're not American?

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because tourism is a gentrification economy. it represents that we built something for us that now someone else gets to enjoy while we stand outside cold and shivering. tourism requires colonialism to work

In other words, a "large resort made specifically for that"

Well spotted!

I hadn't noticed that incoming Tourism shitstorm yet.

Who knows, maybe house prices in Portugal won't go up 17% for two years in a row...

I mean I live next to one that barely counts as a "city". It has a state run organization that exists specifically for developing the area for recreation, tourism, and training athletes. They've been doing a lot of good for the community, and I think they're the largest employer in our county. But they've been really bad about building affordable housing (except for the j1s).

Oh, there are places like that in Portugal too - for example Albufeira in Algarve.

They're never large living cities which transformed into pure touristic cities but rather custom made from the ground up Tourism places or places that started as small villages with some small-size primary sector activity (fishing villages being quite common) and were discovered by tourists and just exploded in size catering to Tourism, crowding out the original economic activity of the place.

Personally I see them as basically Large Resorts (since either there was not even a village there originally, or the built-up area for Tourism vastly exceeds the are of what was originally there), but I'll grant you and @criticon@lemmy.ca (who mentioned Cancún) that it makes sense to call them cities, in which case I explained myself incorrectly in the first paragraph of my post - what I was really thinking was that there are no places which were originally cities that turned 100% to Tourism and that's not what I wrote there.

I mean, this has been a tourist destination for over a hundred years making it more organically a tourist town, but I totally get what you're saying

I understand that ALL cities have traffic, and I have driven in the traffic in every major city on the east coast, and with the possible exception of the Baltimore/DC corridor I mentioned, nothing comes even close to the terrible traffic in Orlando that is just routine, any time of any day. It doesn't even get better in the off season, just slightly worse than normal.

Fucking god, ugh I'm in a bad mood now

Oh are you afraid of the whole "well fancy that, we're from the same country! Let's be besties" spiel?

lol I actually gave you credit for having some empathy, hence my reply and then you go and prove my first impression correct

blind rich entitled fucktard

I don’t know what else a sane man would call unbridled capitalism that wrecks entire towns in the name of profit but regardless I have zero need to read anything else from you

have a block

Not rich at all. Not even close dumbass

Tbf tourists very often treat locals like zoo animals so...

Reminds me of when I ran into some international students and they asked me “what is in Indiana? Who would ever live there?” Sometimes people just are born or end up places and social ties, debt, or whatever keeps them there. Moving is easy for some, remarkably hard for others.

Dude let me tell you this. I was poor like dirt poor for years. I've been homeless with my kids more than once. I have suffered I have seen it all I have been to the food banks I have relied on churches and people to pay my rent just so I could have a place to live. Don't fucking talk to me about being poor and being privileged and suffering. Shit when I started my business I literally quit my job took my paycheck that I had for 2 weeks and that's what I had for my business and pay my rent and to pay my bills I didn't even own a car when I started my business. So don't fucking tell me what a poor person can or cannot do if that person is fucking motivated and can actually get off their fucking ass still fucking do it. I come from a small goddamn town I know what it's like to live in a small town. Tourist towns are no different than anywhere else they just have more opportunity to have people show up. Shit if I lived in a tourist town I'd be out there selling Kool-Aid on the side of the road I'd be making t-shirts and printing them. Depending on where I was at I'd be doing something local and making people hand over money hand over fist. You don't got to be privileged you don't got to do anything you just got to understand that you're hungry and that you got a fucking make money. People are so fucking privileged they don't know how to do shit anymore. Fuck all of you people that think they got to be handed everything fuck all you people that think that you got to be fucking rich to have anything in your fucking life. you guys are all just fucking assholes when it comes down to it. And fuck you people that live in tourist towns that think you would be better off without those fucking tourists and their deep pockets coming through. I've seen all of the towns in Utah Wyoming Nevada Colorado Idaho Montana Arizona New Mexico that don't have tourism industries those are the poorest fucking towns in the world and there ain't shit to do in any of them and there ain't fucking work to find anywhere. I literally drive through towns where there's two families and that's the population of the fucking town. Because nobody lives there anymore because every fucking person knows they have to move because you have to feed your family you have to have a place to live you don't just get handed something shit even if you handed a house how the fuck are you going to pay for it when there's nobody else to bring in any sort of money. Fucking people don't know shit and it's fucking hilarious thinking that they could go out and do any of that fucking shit without that money coming into their fucking pockets. It's not about being rich it's not about the people that own the businesses God damn all the people work in the cashiers all the fucking people working at the fast food places all the people waiting tables at all those places they're making fucking money they got money coming in and they get paid better than most of the people in the big cities get fucking paid. Yeah they're having issues paying the rent but guess what everybody in the cities are having issues paying the rent also people are having to live with other people because rent has gone so fucking high and that's because greedy fucking people at the top are charging more and more and more and they don't fucking care anymore. But that doesn't mean that we can't fight back that doesn't mean that we can't grab a little bit of that money for ourselves and try to fucking make as much money as possible. So fuck you guys for thinking that you can't fucking do it fuck you guys for thinking it's trickle down economy shit it ain't trickle down economy it's grab whatever the fuck you can economy if that starts as trickle down and then you end up making money out of it that's what it's all fucking about.

I would lie until they took a hint. "I'm from Antarctica. I got this accent from a door to door salesman. What do I do? I'm a prominent actor in tapeworm kink."

See what I mean? You can't be too careful, lots of Americans are nutters.

tourism requires colonialism to work

If this were true, why do people go to any of Spain, England, France, Belgium, for touristic purposes? Why wouldn't they exclusively go to places like the Carribean, the Americas, West & South Africa?

You still need demand. You can’t just start a company that does whatever you wanna work in whereever you want. Though there are things you can do pretty much everywhere as long you have electricity and internet

There was a time where people managed to survive with self-sustained farming in many places

"I make your life possible, peasant. Grovel."

Everybody hates a tourist.

Is being curious of their way of life considering treating people as zoo animal ? (Legit question, I often am very curious of specifity and often end at a local church event or village events sharing a meal with peoples)

Nah in reality big majority actually loves tourism.

Tourism is fucking awesome - it connects people from different worlds, connects economies and opens up niche areas like cultural preservation and ecology. It also provides flexibility and seasonal work for entire extended area giving people opportunities to temporarily relocate or migrate long term.

Tourism is the best - don't listen to the angry entitled boomers.

Edit: alt right propaganda eating people's brains huh don't travel, be afraid, they'll eat your dogs yadayada

TL;Dr: you: lots of people gave me lots of handouts, I'm good and should be listened to. Also you: other people just want handouts, they're bad and shouldn't be listened to. Your position is very silly.

Dude let me tell you this. I was poor like dirt poor for years. I've been homeless with my kids more than once. I have suffered I have seen it all I have been to the food banks I have relied on churches and people to pay my rent just so I could have a place to live.

TL;Dr? Your wall of text started with this anecdotal non-sequitor. I can't imagine it gets better from there, and you've lost the benefit of the doubt.

You aren't describing a particularly awesome system btw: "dude, things are so good, I've been homeless at least twice, I couldn't afford food at one point and I needed people to hand me shit (like food and rent)... Let me tell you how much other people want them to be handed shit." That wonderful bit of hypocrisy is just the first few sentences. Here's my advice: introspect.

Anyway, did you, at any point, argue I was wrong about tourist towns? I suspect not, you haven't yet.

I suppose I should expand on that, my understanding of trickle down systems are those that benefit the rich at the expense of their poor. My argument for why it benefits the rich: your comment on the benefits of tourism. My arguments why those benefits come at the expense of the poor: their comment listing all the expenses those benefits come at [and now you, telling me you were homeless, and needed people to hand you shit to survive].

I have asked, and you have failed already. But could you do it without the failed economic policy, the anecdotal non-sequitors, or the classist ad-hominems this time? I'm adding being a ladder puller to the list. Who knows what other nonsense your comment was full of. Generally it's a request to drop the nonsense please.

Just an FYI, "Pull yourself up by bootstraps" is a common defence of trickle down economics. That's why I mocked your "just start a business lol" argument. It's silly and you should feel silly.

As opposed to economic and cultural deserts? Just look at US' midwest: no tourism, no anything - just misery. Now take a look at tourist areas even in developing countries that are far ahead of the richest country in the world because people are not fucking stupid there and choose prosperity over exclusivity.

Except people who have to deal with tourists. You're lucky enough to never have to understand that.

Nope grew up in a tourist town and still live in tourist towns most of the time. It's the best place to live unless you're clueless loser.

Fuck you too. You don't know what a burger tastes like without spit.

Dude what's your problem

You don't care what my problem is. You just want me to stop being a problem for you.

Tourism is fucking awesome

If you're a tourist.

Well I hope that what's bothering you will stop bothering you then 🙏

I doubt it.

EDIT: I was wrong. He blocked me, so at least one of the things that was bothering me no longer will.

Nope grew up and still live in a tourist town. The opportunity and cultural exchange of a big city in a small town is awesome - that's how the world should be. If everyone was more accepting and mobile we'd have less hate, cruelty and misery in the world. Connection is the key not isolation.

If everyone was more accepting and mobile we’d have less hate, cruelty and misery in the world.

Don't like it? Just be rich! Just be able to afford travel, then all the people who abuse you at work don't exist!