We’re setting up our own Matrix/Element CE and mulling over the non-technical folks’ fumbling trying to figure it out.

Commet might be more helpful there than Element, as it tries to replicate Discord's UI and UX, making for an easier transition.

I set up Matrix accounts for my parents this weekend and was completely horrified at how inconvenient the experience is for normies.

And that was with just using matrix.org as the server. AND the user experience after registration and login was not good either.

I absolutely loath PvP in gaming. Always have. However, I recently discovered that I enjoy extraction shooters (I think that's what these types of games are called). Been playing HOLE and wished for something like it with co-op for me and a friend to play.

Been on IRC for like 3-decades and is where I get my media content, mostly. Highly recommended if you give zero shits about fancy text!

This is the history they warned us not to repeat!

true, but i heard teamspeak fixed the issues it had?

The paid tiers are only to support the development and the official server costs. If you self-host you can do whatever you want. And federation is on the roadmap of the project.

What issues? I can't even remember the last time I used TeamSpeak. Ha to be around Windows XP.

i know people Moved to Discord because it fixed the problems that teamspeak had?
i wonder if teamspeak tried to add Discord's features.

Teamspeak is not a good replacement lol

Using Stoat's main server raises a privacy concern because it’s UK-based and AFAIK lacks E2EE—UK authorities could seize server data without our knowledge.

When the alternative is Discord that's no different. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Thanks! Yeah because I've been scratching my head over their comment for some time now as I'm not able to figure out how to use it like I used use Discord.

Discord was originally a replacement for teamspeak/mumble and it's how most people I actually know still use it. It was "nice" because you didn't need to set up your own server. Using it as a replacement for irc came later. Image support in chats is nice, but I really only use it for the voip chat rooms.

I think I locked myself out of my account. I'm only logged in on my old computer and I've deleted the app from my phone. I saved my security key (I have a session security key field and security-key.txt in my 1password) but Element didn't seem able to use it to reactivate. I would lose all my chats. Which wouldn't be the end of the world, but still, I'm just demonstrating that I'm tech savvy enough to save things I'm told to save but I either missed saving a recovery key, wasn't told to, or the process is just lacking. Regardless, like I said, I'm just demonstrating that it can be tricky.

Can it do drop in/drop out VoIP rooms like mumble?

VENT or nothing!

I said that the other day and I got back "noone is going to use that windows XP lookin shit."

:)

"not everyone agrees" explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.

You need a 100% investment from the group or it's a hard stop.

Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.

For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.

For gaming, the current steps are ..

1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)

2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)

DONE

You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user... Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.

AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.

Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.

If you think that's a workable "solution" to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop...

Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that's being nice you.

why go from one corporate property to another when enshitification is the problem and libre options are available??

tomorrow's headline: "Teamspeak CEO excited to be working with Discord"

The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn't apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn't actually happening?

Your position is that:

• this can't happen,
• people can't leave discord because people are on discord,
• it's impossible to learn 3 applications,

Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that's 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).

You're posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?

That's certainly an opinion.

Your a fucking delusional idiot.

'Your' is the possessive form of you.

You're is the word you're looking for, as it is a contraction of 'you are' as in 'you are an idiot'.

Oh you mean nested rooms? That's just normal rooms with a different organization. I think there is one XMPP proposal for them but I don't know of any server that implements it (they are unneeded since you can just create temporary chatrooms, same as in IRC) and then you need client support, of which apparently only Movim and Dino are working on it yeah.

Not yet, unfortunately. It can currently do a group conference audio/video call, but there are no rooms where you can see who's in the call and just hop in. That is a planned feature in the future, though. Probably after Discord-like rooms are implemented (which won a recent feature poll).

There's a bit more to it than just their visual organization. In Discord, a user only needs to join a single community to access all of that community's rooms (they don't have to manually join each one to have it in their feed).

The admins of that community can then seamlessly create or delete rooms within that community (the users don't need to do anything for those changes to be seen and applied on their end), and can independently adjust what the base requirements are to view, enter, or interact with each room, and then give an individual granular permissions of what rooms are visible within that community.

XMPP is an insecure mess, even if you try to bolt on the weird encryption layer

Oh yeah that already exists in XMPP, it's called "Server spaces" and grouping can be done by admin or by room owners, but it's experimental so there's no direct way to know what servers or clients are using it or not.

They can’t retroactively close-source the older versions released under AGPL, but if it ever required a community fork to continue the last release of the GPL version, it would be a massive burden to maintain it, and could cause federation to break as the codebase diverges over time, which would create a rift in the community. You’d also have to hope that average users care enough about the license to jump ship to the GPL (probably now not as full-featured) version, otherwise the GPL version risks not being able to get enough funding to continue, or enough users to convince the larger communities to move over.

As a somewhat similar real world example, the pixel-art program Aseprite once used a FLOSS license, but it switched to a proprietary license at some point. The last GPL version was forked by the community, but it never got much traction, and is now massively behind the closed source version in features and userbase.

Interesting, glad to see it's headed in that direction in the base-spec!

That may be the case, but in Ventrilo you can page someone "[][][][][][][][][]" and it will go "page from left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket..."
This is a major advantage

Fluxer is doing the same thing, no email signups right now on its homepage.

It's no different from how lemmy/piefed function. Some instances require email, others don't. My instance, as an example, doesn't require an email to sign up, but it does require you to write a short message as to why you're interested in joining the server, and what communities are appealing to you. This weeds out 99% of bots or spammy users, and the handful that get through that are quickly banned.

Movim currently has so few users that the main server is trying to put as few barriers as possible to adoption, other servers can and do enable the Email requirement.

If it becomes more popular and bots or spam accounts become an issue, they could easily activate the email requirement, or even implement a system similar to what I described above. Instances that don't take appropriate measures to those threats as they become a problem can just be defederated as they are here. It's worked out pretty well so far.

That's the thing, for me Discord replaced Slack. I never used the voice chat feature of Discord. I had family, friend group, interest group Slack servers to chat, all was eventually moved to Discord.

Meanwhile I still use Mumble for voice chat, Discord never replaced Mumble for me, it was a replacement for chat groups, which I previously used Slack for.

You're describing teamspeak 3. It's on version 6 now and has those features.

True, Mumble does have text-to-speech, but no Microsoft Sam in a roflcopter that goes soisoisoisoisoisoi

Matrix is actively user hostile. It’s no fun to use at all.

Haha pointing out the wrong use of a possessive tells me everything I need to know about you.

I made fun of you because of your absolutely delusional refusal to acknowledge the extreme barriers to open source options in the current state.

If you weren't delusional, a logical response would be...

We absolutely have to address these issues if we want widespread adoption of these applications to replace closed source programs.

Lol, last I used/had vent was playing counter strike 1.6. they have a point.

I have seen the conversation around ditching discord come up a few times, but this more recent one was the first time seeing Movim and it seems to have more folks post about it. Is it newer then revolt, rocket, etc?

I assume they have a web client, how does that do on mobile?

Older, actually. Its been around since 2010, and is built upon the XMPP protocol, which is from 1999.

Movim has only recently taken the direction of becoming a Discord replacement.

That makes sense. Thanks for the heads up!

No prob :D

having a tool intended for a purpose doesn't necessarily mean it fits that description without issues. the xmpp world is filled with a heterogenous plethora of clients of various quality and encryption duct-taped on top of about a third (made up/guesstimated number based on nothing but my gut feeling having gone down that rabbit hole partly). even if i convinced all of my friends to switch, there wpuld be no client for all platforms and learning miltiple programs to use a single protocol is bad UX imho

Hey, just wanted to give you an update that the Fluxer dev actually agreed to remove the CLA!

https://lemmy.ca/comment/21700498

I'll never forgive Bill Gates for getting rid of Microsoft Sam. Now to take a biiig sip of coffee and look at what he's been up to since then

Holy fuck! Noice!!!!

ran by not a bunch of children.

I don't know anything about the developers of Stoat. What do you mean by this?