Cool. Currently I try to use Mobile Pay for everything, but the privacy is more important for me. I'm on IOS right but I'm tired of Apple and hate Google's privacy policies. So I'll def get a refurbished Pixel and try out Graphene. Thanks!

Are you pretty much able to do everything you need? I don't even love using my phone but when I use it its kind of critical. Things like maps while driving. Does that work alright?

GrapheneOS has sandboxed play services that you can easily install to make sure apps work. my banking app only works with play store services so I installed them and set them to zero permissions. You can also make a second profile with nothing installed and switch when you need those apps. MicroG has never worked for me on any phone.

so much yes. I just got mine a few days ago and I love it so much.

Twinsies 👭

you mean this place?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b00j2aCT6Ug

Code signing for EXE is already a thing. And @DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf is right, the same thing is happening there. Restrictions are getting more inconvenient, with Microsoft now talking about a maximum code signing certificates validity of 72 hours, with identity verification getting more strict too. Valid code signing certificates are not mandatory yet but I guess it's a matter of time before we need to type powershell commands to disable restrictions.

no you won't .. its so easy to install.

put grapheneOS on it ..

I am also in Canada. I just called my mobility provider and told them I wanted a new phone and that i wanted to pay off my current phone immediately.

So which is it? Pixel 9 or 10?

HSBC business. There is no fob. You have to get a code from their app to login online. That app refused to run on LineageOS with MicroG, regardless of the boxing and lying to it I tried. It does work under GrapheneOS with boxed Google services.

That sounds obnoxious they don't support the usual MFA platforms

And at the same time there's Fidelity (and others) using voice authentication as the sole verification of account ownership when calling in (I think they finally fixed this a couple years ago)

yeah I will start deeply researching this because I refuse to use a closed down operating system for my phone my whole life. Fuck android fuck google and fuck apple

I've been following this for a while.

You have two main branches to follow

Bare‑metal (native Linux kernel + native drivers)
pros:

• True Linux kernel
• Long‑term maintainability
• No Android blobs in userspace
• Cleaner architecture

cons:

• Driver support is the biggest pain point
• • Modems, cameras, GPUs, sensors often require reverse‑engineering
• Power management is worse
• Hardware acceleration may be incomplete
• Fewer devices are viable

You can put this on an old pine phone, or a pixel 3 or a fairephone 4/5
You can buy a preconfigured puresim librem 5
Battery life is pretty rough. You can find lots of youtubes recounting their attempts at daily driving both PostmarketOS, Puresim and UBPorts on bare metal

Halium‑based (Linux userspace on top of Android hardware abstraction)

pros:

• Excellent hardware support (camera, modem, GPU, sensors)
• Better battery life
• Runs on many more devices
• More stable than bare‑metal

cons:

• Controversial in the community
• Relies on Android blobs
• Not “pure Linux”
• Kernel is usually Android‑based, not mainline
• Long‑term maintainability depends on Android vendor support

You can buy preworking models from Volla or you can put it on a Fury Phone
there are a number of options for used phones if you want to install it yousel.

IMO, If you want a daily driver with working cameras and good battery life, Halium is usually the practical choice.

You also have to beware of usage in some places, looks like most of the carriers in Australia will refsue to active VoiceOverLTE even though the phones support it.

What kind of roles do they have for people who don't know how to code? I've considered helping translate things before, but my languages are among the most popular, so it's almost always already translated.

VPNs will be forbidden, age will be verified.

Coincidence that all are gaining traction?

I've ordered an Uber from the mobile site when I got a flat on a long bike ride. It worked fine and I haven't had the app installed since. I only use it 2-3 times a year. I would have preferred to use Lyft, but it didn't tell me I couldn't use the mobile site until after I had already jumped through their hoops reinstated my account. Fuck you Lyft!

Everyone is talking about getting a fairphone and whatnot but I'm concerned about the open source apk communities shutting down since the market share and interest is killed by this.

IDK, I'd think the best path forward would be to just fork Android and move on from there. That's what Graphene OS already does. Just standardize on Graphene OS for everything and get them more devs / resources.

I am. You can install Google Play services in a sandbox. One of my banking apps works the other does not, but I prefer to do that over web on a desktop anyway. Otherwise I get pretty much everything off of f-droid.

Worst case scenario where Google makes it extremely difficult going forward, what is the hard part about just never rebasing onto future work from Google?

From what I've seen there hasn't been significant core work on Android for a long time. It's been mostly changing from rounded corners to square corners to rounded corners, or shoving AI into every nook and cranny.

I'd think a small dev team like Graphene could maintain their AOSP fork moving forward.

Plus Windows already tried blocking sideloading with S Mode. What's stopping them from permanently enacting that for the Home SKU at some point down the road given their recent track record of implementing unpopular things regardless of public outcry?

Also, what's stopping Google from just completely rewriting Android as a Windows-style closed-source OS that they have complete control over at some point?

It's pretty rubbish. I was under pressure from a few angles to compromise more with Google. GrapheneOS is were I am. But I want to be on a prober Linux. But it's just not possible without competition law being enforced. It's political problem not technical.

I absolutely agree they can maintain an AOSP fork going forward, and I think that's completely realistic and I would be surprised if that is not the case.

But I was answering OP from a strictly technical perspective about the potential difficulties they could, theoretically face while doing that. Since you asked what is the hard part, I'll answer along those lines (again, with the caveat that I don't think these are going to pose realistic obstacles for the GrapheneOS team in the near term) My point is not to say it's impossible but I think it's important for people to be aware that this approach comes with risks, and those risks will grow over time especially when you're up against a non-cooperative upstream that is one of the largest and richest tech companies in the world.

For one thing you're never going to support any new phones without either pulling driver support from AOSP or reverse-engineering the hardware and drivers yourselves, or accepting that some parts will just... not work. So you get stuck on older and less capable hardware. Maybe you don't care about that too much, and that works fine for awhile, but eventually the cracks start to show. Now you have to either start figuring out how to get into the newer hardware, or you have to start getting custom newer hardware of your own, which is $$$.

Using closed hardware this way as leverage is a pretty common way of getting in the way of open source development, and Android hardware is very closed. Similar tactics are already even being used against x86 PCs now with things like TPM and Secure Boot. It doesn't completely brick your system on day one of course, but the erosion of support begins when they start writing software that intentionally relies on these features to say "oh, sorry, this software you want to use? it won't actually work on the open source OS/open source client because they don't have access to this hardware... what a shame." One or two pieces of software, no big deal. But they won't stop there, eventually it'll be like half the software, then over time it'll become 90% of the software, you won't be able to find alternatives. They can often afford to be more patient and relentless about this shit than we are. The battle will continue, and there's no sure path to victory. Forking is one tool we have, and that's great, but we also have to remember that it's not a flawless, unstoppable long-term solution that we can play as a trump card whenever corporate interests do something bad. They don't just give up. They have other means of getting their way.

Depends on the bank.  Root seems to be all the ones I use check for.

My main issue is losing YouTube ReVanced. I refuse to pay for Premium! Especially to one of the wealthiest companies in the world!

I'm doing my part ! Mail send with help from fdroid.

Pixel 10. I got mine from Costco on black Friday. They were having some crazy deals that basically paid you to take the device home lol. It's the only reason I upgraded.

The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code?

GrapheneOS has strict standards for what phones they support, which is why you can currently only install it on Pixels.

I mean will I be able to install Graphene after the lockdown? Sorry if that is a naive question.

I wish I could find a deal like that, but as it stands I will need to pay a lump sum to my provider to pay off the remaining balance on my Samsung S23, which I am going to keep. I will format it securely and use it with a prepaid sim as a travel phone with next to nothing on it. GrapheneOS goes on my Pixel 10 and I want to degoogle it. It will pose a mild issue since sometimes I (sadly) do need to check my gmail, and I really don't know if putting it on my GrapheneOS is a good idea.

I use k9mail with a work gmail account and it works great, has imap push and everything (no need for Google services).

This move doesn't look like a co-incidence,first google acquires android ,then you now have to use your ''google account'' as user detail to signup for most services, Now they're tip toeing towards This techno Lockdown kwowing full well how many pesrsons use Adroid phones........Who owns google Satan?

Yes

Has anyone tried a Murena (/e/os) phone?

I am thinking about it.

You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity.

If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux.
This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon.

Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that

My next phone will be running /e/OS. Seems to be a suitable alternative for my needs.

I'll keep that in mind when I get my pixel 10. Thank you. My phone is the last thing that I carry that isn't on linux or some non-Microsoft/Apple software.

That will be the go to. I'm just procrastinating the migration.

You should checkout their contibuting guide.
There are many ways to contribute as non programmer.

https://postmarketos.org/contribute/

Oh. And my argument wasn't convincing?

I could live without banking etc. on my phone - has become a habit. Also, android auto is a must for me, unfortunately. Because of the complicated process of getting approval from governmental bodies when implementing technology for cars (safety stuff mostly) I doubt we'll see any foss alternatives any time soon. Could be wrong - Fisker Ocean cars have a great community that mods the software, but probably wouldn't have happened if Fisker didn't go bankrupt.

https://www.punkt.ch/products/mp02-4g-minimalist-phone

Regarding Google, looks like it's in the pipe yes, Fushia is non-GPL (permissive licenses, so no redistribution clause in case of a sudden licensing switch).

I thought Fuchsia was proprietary.

True, bank are using stupid rules sometime. I had a revolut account before switching to /e/os deleted it because of this. This was not my main account and I dont have issue with the other bank apps, so I can understand the problem.
That said when you are switching to a custom you'll always have some limitations you just have to know were you set the bar, and this is really personal choice.

Lineage is the base for a grand majority of custom roms