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HubertManne
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HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
Warp 10 and salamanders. Great examples 👌 But what about TNG 7x09, the one where we learn that warp travel damages subspace and that a warp speed limit is the solution? Later, the Federation Council issues a new directive limiting all Federation vessels to a speed of warp five except in extreme emergencies. Laughs in Janeway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
janeway? I don't think ships stranded so far they are unlikely to get back are going to be obeying speed edicts. the whole setup is an extreme emergency. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
It's technically not canon anyway, and I don't really like it as an explanation, since we don't see variable-geometry nacelles on other ships of the era. Best to assume they solved the subspace damage problem through some other means, IMO.
I like to think a party got elected that felt warp speed tearing up subspace was a fakenewz hoax. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
ok but the tos example was just that they found harry muds ship adrift in space. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
It's not a continuity error as such, but I'm a big fan of all the technologies that by rights should have completely upended galactic civilization but then just get forgotten. The Genesis device should be an appalling superweapon that would change the face of war. And then those missiles from Generations that can kill an entire solar system should, too. And the time on TNG that they stumbled on...
you ever read bad space. he has a great one where they have something like a transporter so they start remaking everything but the brain to a younger pattern. |
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Solumbran
lemmy.world
Solumbran@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 Banned |
Gabrielle basically used the church as an experiment in altering history. Time's motion depends on the observer, on the action. The people I was able to move from Earth to Terralysium, as they call my planet, are thriving. Their survival means that time is fluid. The future can be changed. Maybe the past, as well.
It feels a bit pulled out of nowhere though. If it was the plan from the start, it's not very good writing. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
I'm watching VOY at the moment, and it makes no sense how Seven of Nine's parents would have made contact with and been assimilated by the Borg, decades before Q threw the Enterprise-D across the galaxy to make (what we assumed to be) first contact with them. In "Q who", meeting the Borg is portrayed like blood in the water — now they have learned of the Federation, they will not stop until you...
Didn't her parent seek out the borg? I am more confused on why the borg would send a drone from the alpha quadrant to the delta quadrant. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
The 2009 movie. Just, like, the whole thing. (And I'm not even talking about differences between the JJ-verse and the "prime" timeline; I'm talking about shit not making any damn sense in the internal context of the plot. Kirk was a mutinous fuck-up cadet who should've been thrown out the airlock when Spock had the chance, not promoted straight from cadet to captain by the end of the movie!)
maybe its closer to the mmo universe where everyone goes from just graduating the academy as a ensign to being made leuitenant but given a command as part of it. |
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haverholm
kbin.earth
haverholm@kbin.earthJoined: 2024-11-23 |
Didn't her parent seek out the borg? I am more confused on why the borg would send a drone from the alpha quadrant to the delta quadrant.
Yeah, they went on their research expedition because apparently rumours about those weird transhumanist Swedes had already reached the Federation? Again, 18-20 years before "Q who"... The timeline is messed up, even before we consider time travel. Edit: spelled "weird" weird. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
Yeah, they went on their research expedition because apparently rumours about those weird transhumanist Swedes had already reached the Federation? Again, 18-20 years before "Q who"... The timeline is messed up, even before we consider time travel. Edit: spelled "weird" weird.
yeah it sounded like at the level of mythology way at the frontier of colonies toward the delta quadrant. They went into the delta quadrant in their search for years. so like I think even the crazy hillbilly colonists thought of it as a fairy tale to scare children. |
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nomy
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nomy@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-12-06 |
I think he refers to the first season of DS9 where it was never explicitly mentioned that Joseph Sisko is well and alive (but neither was the opposite). He first appeared in season 4. He just doesn't exist before that.
I never even thought about that. He was alive and well running a successful restaurant back on Earth on Ben is out on some backwater post talking about him like he's dead. |
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ᓚᘏᗢ
piefed.social
unknown@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-08 |
It feels a bit pulled out of nowhere though. If it was the plan from the start, it's not very good writing.
Lmao it's Star Trek, of course the writing isn't good. You guys claim to love all the shit writing in other Trek shows, so why do so many of you shit on Discovery for ir in particular, I wonder? |
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Solumbran
lemmy.world
Solumbran@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 Banned |
Lmao it's Star Trek, of course the writing isn't good. You guys claim to love all the shit writing in other Trek shows, so why do so many of you shit on Discovery for ir in particular, I wonder?
There's a lot of shit writing in all the star treks (less so in lower decks maybe) but discovery is consistently, deeply badly written, and in ways that often have a pretty bad underlying meaning. And also, people complain on Discovery for different reasons. Nazis find it too woke because they don't pretend that lgbt people don't exist, I find it fakely woke but actually discriminating against minorities while pretending to defend them. In a way, Discovery is a shittily written, enlightened-centrist version of star trek, so I think it's good that people shit on it. Now people should obviously shit on a lot of other star treks like Enterprise and Picard, but I'm certainly not going to stop shitting on discovery in the meanwhile. |
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unit327
lemmy.zip
unit327@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-02-16 |
Voyager fired 123 of its 38 photon torpedos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k |
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Melllvar
startrek.website
charonn0@startrek.websiteJoined: 2023-07-03 |
Not a continuity error specifically, but this has always irked me: In STIV, Kirk says that he and Spock are headed "back to San Francisco", presumably from Sausalito. But anyone with a passing knowledge of geography can see from the position of the bridge behind them that they are, in that moment, standing in San Francisco. In fact, you can see Sausalito across the bay behind them.
PSA: There's a special screening of Star Trek IV in San Francisco on June 13 to honor the 40th anniversary. Nick Meyer (writer/producer on IV) will be there. I'm sure he will be pleased to explain how a wizard did it. |
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Doomsider
lemmy.world
Doomsider@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
Voyager fired 123 of its 38 photon torpedos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k
Nu uh, the casing can be replicated and the anti matter can be siphoned from the ships engines. Source: Star Trek Adventures |
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SpaceCowboy
lemmy.ca
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-17 |
Warp 10 and salamanders. Great examples 👌 But what about TNG 7x09, the one where we learn that warp travel damages subspace and that a warp speed limit is the solution? Later, the Federation Council issues a new directive limiting all Federation vessels to a speed of warp five except in extreme emergencies. Laughs in Janeway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
That was an analogy for Global Warming. The government issued a big proclamation but never actually did any real action about it. |
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SpaceCowboy
lemmy.ca
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-17 |
It's not a continuity error as such, but I'm a big fan of all the technologies that by rights should have completely upended galactic civilization but then just get forgotten. The Genesis device should be an appalling superweapon that would change the face of war. And then those missiles from Generations that can kill an entire solar system should, too. And the time on TNG that they stumbled on...
Presumably every warp capable species would have the ability to construct a few thousand hydrogen bombs (or weapons even more powerful) so would have the capability of wiping out life on a planet if they wanted to. So the Genesis device wouldn't be a thing that would change the face of war, the problem was that a crazy person had such a weapon. Though Star Trek is kinda hand wavy around nuclear weapons in general... maybe photon torpedoes are more powerful than an H-Bomb? But it doesn't feel that way. At any rate, Starfleet, the Klingons, Romulans, etc. all have technology to wipe out a planet because we have that technology in the present day. They just don't do that I guess? To me that's the real continuity error.
Another time a transporter accident led to a copy of Riker (with all of his memories) both on the ship and on the planet. You could recreate those conditions and create endless copies of people. The Federation wouldn't do that because of morals and stuff, but the Dominion wouldn't give a shit. They could have their best squad of Jem Hader stand on a transporter pad and beam down endless copies of them down onto a planet. They're cloning people anyway, so why not take it to the next level? The transporter is just endless continuity problems. Shields are down, oh no they're beaming over boarding parties! Why are they doing that instead of using the transporting the crew of the enemy ship into their brig (if they're good guys) or into space (if they're bad guys)? |
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SpaceCowboy
lemmy.ca
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-17 |
The warp scale changed. The Enterprise exceeded warp 10 several times in the Original Series. Then that infamous episode of Voyager claims that warp 10 is a theoretical limit which is difficult to reach and literally impossible to exceed.
This my head canon... In the movies they were working on transwarp drive on the Excelsior. The warp factor on transwarp drives is different from a regular TOS warp drive. When Sulu put the hammer down on the Excelsior in ST VI, it proved that transwarp was just way better than regular warp drive. For whatever reason they couldn't make transwarp work on the Constitution class so most of them were decommissioned. By the time of TNG, pretty much everything is transwarp, so no one bothers calling it that ,they just call it warp drive since it became the standard. The transwarp factor is used everywhere, but everyone just calls it warp factor. So it's kinda like a change from imperial to metric units. |
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SpaceCowboy
lemmy.ca
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-17 |
So how big are DS9 and the Defiant actually? The scales were all over the place.
The Defiant is big enough for a runabout to easily fly around inside of it. |
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aldhissla
piefed.world
aldhissla@piefed.world Joined: 2025-08-26 |
The Defiant is big enough for a runabout to easily fly around inside of it.
And if Honey, I didn't shrink the kids? |
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Rob T Firefly
lemmy.world
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-07 |
Nu uh, the casing can be replicated and the anti matter can be siphoned from the ships engines. Source: Star Trek Adventures
That's also how it works in the recent game where you replay Voyager's journey. You just have your engineers research photon torpedo building, and then doing so uses up a portion of your normal tech resources. |
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Rob T Firefly
lemmy.world
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-07 |
The 2009 movie. Just, like, the whole thing. (And I'm not even talking about differences between the JJ-verse and the "prime" timeline; I'm talking about shit not making any damn sense in the internal context of the plot. Kirk was a mutinous fuck-up cadet who should've been thrown out the airlock when Spock had the chance, not promoted straight from cadet to captain by the end of the movie!)
This would be the same continuity in which magic villain blood is found to be the cure for actual death, and they use it once and then never speak of it again. |
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HobbitFoot
thelemmy.club
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club Joined: 2023-06-16 |
The best part of DS9's Section 31 was that Section 31 knew they were the bad guys too.
Yeah, and they also seem believable as a rogue clandestine agency that the Federation is ok with having on "their side". Unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, the Federation has plausible deniability regarding the use of Section 31. Few powers seem to even know the agency exists. And unlike the Obsidian Order or the Tal Shiar, Section 31 does a good job at being a clandestine agency. The Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar's response to the Founders was to build a lot of ships to bomb a homeworld, something outside their expertise that gets them destroyed. Section 31, instead, genetically engineers a virus that attacks the Founders, a virus so effective that the cure is used as a bargaining chip in getting the Dominion to stop the war. |
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cartoon meme dog
lemmy.zip
grozzle@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
Presumably every warp capable species would have the ability to construct a few thousand hydrogen bombs (or weapons even more powerful) so would have the capability of wiping out life on a planet if they wanted to. So the Genesis device wouldn't be a thing that would change the face of war, the problem was that a crazy person had such a weapon. Though Star Trek is kinda hand wavy around nuclear...
I can suggest an explanation - conservation of mass/ energy. let's assume that Lt Riker's ship had to use up at least 40kg of antimatter (and 40kg of matter, but that's cheap) to generate the energy for that transporter operation that produced a whole extra 80kg Riker. that's a bare minimum with perfectly efficient engines and transporters, so it was probably well over 70kg of antimatter. the Dominion decides that a few years of growing and training new troops is far less expensive than spending so much antimatter. |
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Trigger2_2000
sh.itjust.works
Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-08-04 |
you ever read bad space. he has a great one where they have something like a transporter so they start remaking everything but the brain to a younger pattern.
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EarMaster
lemmy.world
EarMaster@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-09 |
Deep Space Nine is supposed to host up to 7000 lifeforms, but the infirmary is tiny and has three biobeds max. |
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Summzashi
lemmy.world
Summzashi@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-05-31 |
The warp scale changed. The Enterprise exceeded warp 10 several times in the Original Series. Then that infamous episode of Voyager claims that warp 10 is a theoretical limit which is difficult to reach and literally impossible to exceed.
The warp scale did indeed change. I Actually seem to remember that was adressed in TNG. Also the stardate naming convention changed after TOS. |
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Summzashi
lemmy.world
Summzashi@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-05-31 |
Moving at 10+ in TOS was always due to some alien influence or something. The Enterprise engines were definitely not capable of those speeds under normal conditions. With that said, in TOS, warp 10+ is just "you are moving really fast". But in VOY, warp 10 is "you are literally occupying every point in space simultaneously" and there is nothing past warp 10. It is a complete reimagining of the ...
Its a logarithmic scale, it makes sense that 10 is the maximum. The difference between warp 9.1 and 9.2 is the same as the difference between warp 1 and 6, for example. It's like decibels, there is a theoretical maximum. It just doesn't make much sense to TV audiences since bigger number = more fast, in a linear way. |
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RamenJunkie
midwest.social
RamenJunkie@midwest.socialJoined: 2025-01-24 |
This could be argued to be a thing related to the split from the original timeline, but the Kelvin version of Chekov is born four years earlier than his original timeline counterpart.
The one that gets me me, and its a bit of a "its different" complaint. Apparently the interior designer for the original Enterprise was Vukcan, because its all white and huge. |
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RamenJunkie
midwest.social
RamenJunkie@midwest.socialJoined: 2025-01-24 |
Klingons look very different through the various shows. And more than just costuming progress of the time. TOS: TNG-era, the one I think most people would think of: Discovery: And the latest show, Academy, reverts back to TNG-era style Klingons.
Well, at least continuity wise, the Academy thing works. Because of these shows, it woukd be Disco -> TOS -> TNG -> Academy Over the second season the Disco Klingons started growing hair and looked a bit more TNG as well, so they tried to fit it except the TOS ones. |
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RamenJunkie
midwest.social
RamenJunkie@midwest.socialJoined: 2025-01-24 |
In reply to an earlier post
I mean, it was like 100 years later. A lot could have changed. |
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