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Don_Dickle
lemmy.world
Patnou@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-30 |
Also since a Black Hole sucks 90% of it's surroundings into it, what about time distillation? Does time cease to exist inside a black hole or does black hole pull time apart too? |
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CerebralHawks
lemmy.dbzer0.com
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-08-18 |
In short, time travel means nothing without space travel. Earth is rotating around the Sun (Sol star), Sol rotates around the galaxy and the galaxy is also moving. So say you want to prevent the assassination of JFK, you’re not just talking about going back 66-67 years, but say you don’t even care where on Earth you end up, where was Earth then? What’s your point of reference? Your point of reference moved. |
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Onomatopoeia
lemmy.cafe
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe Joined: 2025-01-02 |
I think (based on our understanding of the line between the quantum world and thr macro world), time travel is just fantasy. While mathematically time is reversible for sub-atomic particles (quanta), that breaks down as you gather more particles together. But it's been a while since I've read deeply on it. |
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Don_Dickle
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Patnou@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-11-30 |
In short, time travel means nothing without space travel. Earth is rotating around the Sun (Sol star), Sol rotates around the galaxy and the galaxy is also moving. So say you want to prevent the assassination of JFK, you’re not just talking about going back 66-67 years, but say you don’t even care where on Earth you end up, where was Earth then? What’s your point of reference? Your point of ref...
Isn't space travel based on speed? |
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paranoid
lemmy.world
paranoid@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-03-05 |
Time doesn't exist. Clocks exist. |
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AbouBenAdhem
lemmy.world
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
In short, time travel means nothing without space travel. Earth is rotating around the Sun (Sol star), Sol rotates around the galaxy and the galaxy is also moving. So say you want to prevent the assassination of JFK, you’re not just talking about going back 66-67 years, but say you don’t even care where on Earth you end up, where was Earth then? What’s your point of reference? Your point of ref...
Not just travel, but faster-than-light travel. Either one implies the other. |
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AbouBenAdhem
lemmy.world
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Time follows geodesics on a curved spacetime manifold, so it’s linear locally but not necessarily globally. In theory a manifold with the right curvature could have geodesics that form loops (which would imply time travel), but there’s no practical way to cause such curvature. |
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Strider
lemmy.world
Strider@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
Time doesn't exist. Clocks exist.
I agree, it's just now and constantly changing. |
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Steve
communick.news
Steve@communick.newsJoined: 2023-08-05 |
Reguarding black holes. The idea is that things don't go straight into a black hole. Like everything, they orbit. The orbit gets closer and closer, tighter and tighter. As it does the orbital speed increases. Eventually it increases to the speed of light (or near enough practically). For things moving at the speed of light, time effectively stops. So kinda, yah. Subjectively time ceases to exist in a black hole. |
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Courtney (she/her/they)
lemmy.blahaj.zone
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-04-10 |
In short, time travel means nothing without space travel. Earth is rotating around the Sun (Sol star), Sol rotates around the galaxy and the galaxy is also moving. So say you want to prevent the assassination of JFK, you’re not just talking about going back 66-67 years, but say you don’t even care where on Earth you end up, where was Earth then? What’s your point of reference? Your point of ref...
And there's absolutely nothing to suggest if you time travel, you will be a fixed point in space. There's nothing to suggest that won't be the case, but until we know more about the universe, this argument will never hold water for me. Of course since it's all theoretical and will never be relevant in our lifetimes, it holds as much water as any other argument... |
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zout
fedia.io
zout@fedia.io Joined: 2024-03-16 |
So basically, our three dimensional universe originated in the formation of a black hole in a four dimensional universe. We're in the event horizon of a black hole. Since we already know the fourth dimension is time, we'd have to escape the event horizon to travel in time. So far, we can hardly escape the gravity well of Earth. |
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redjard
reddthat.com
Redjard@reddthat.comJoined: 2023-08-06 |
It's complicated. This would and does translate upwards, except it so happens in our "past" is a low entropy state, the "early" universe. Entropy tends to increase, energy spreads out, so what we call time, or more important causality, is the gradient of entropy. For all we know, another universe could be in the past "before" "the big bang", which has its entropic time running the other way, also towards an expanding universe. (this is kinda adjacent to the big bounce theories, but does not postulate this repeats). Now, there is a bunch of weird stuff general relativity permits with spacetime, including stuff that time travels (e.g. wormholes, warpdrives). This may or may not be possible to create if it doesn't currently exist, and it also may or may not be possible to use without getting destroyed even if it exists. There is yet more weirdness. For example, when you cross the event horizon of a black hole, you cannot go back, only slow your speed of going forwards, but you can with that travel through things that have fallen in before and after you. So compared to outside, entropic time is now in the direction of a spacial direction. Technically this lets you time travel through the particle-time axis, by some definition, but entropic time is still boringly pointing in one direction, though now by some more definitions that entropic time would causally sit after the end of our universe, so you have very efficiently entropically time-travelled to the end of the universe, infinitely far into the future. So yeah tldr what we mean by time travel is not looking very possible lately (other than travelling to the future). |
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NotASharkInAManSuit
lemmy.world
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-06 |
I think we have cracked time travel. I believe it’s happening all the time, but it places you in the same spot in the universe, so going forwards or backwards will just get you floating in space. A good deal of what we see as shooting stars are just the bodies of time travelers who tested it by a few seconds and ended up just outside of the atmosphere and burned up on reentry. |
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NotASharkInAManSuit
lemmy.world
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-06 |
So basically, our three dimensional universe originated in the formation of a black hole in a four dimensional universe. We're in the event horizon of a black hole. Since we already know the fourth dimension is time, we'd have to escape the event horizon to travel in time. So far, we can hardly escape the gravity well of Earth.
We’re made of matter contained within our dimensional space, so if we got to that point of dimensional space we would just stop existing. |
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AwesomeLowlander
sh.itjust.works
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-07-12 |
Isn't space travel based on speed?
Time travel isn't based on anything, since it's currently theoretically impossible. |
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pawb.social
Kolanaki@pawb.socialJoined: 2024-10-06 |
There is currently an experiment being conducted where the researchers are attempting to receive a message before sending it. |
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diablicja
lemmy.zip
diablicja@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-06-08 |
I think we have cracked time travel. I believe it’s happening all the time, but it places you in the same spot in the universe, so going forwards or backwards will just get you floating in space. A good deal of what we see as shooting stars are just the bodies of time travelers who tested it by a few seconds and ended up just outside of the atmosphere and burned up on reentry.
Are you working on a book or are you giving away book ideas for free? |
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CerebralHawks
lemmy.dbzer0.com
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-08-18 |
And there's absolutely nothing to suggest if you time travel, you will be a fixed point in space. There's nothing to suggest that won't be the case, but until we know more about the universe, this argument will never hold water for me. Of course since it's all theoretical and will never be relevant in our lifetimes, it holds as much water as any other argument...
Well, if you assume that going back in time means you also go back along the position of the earth, then sure. But to simply go back in time doesn’t imply that. You’re right in that it’s all fantasy, I’m just saying it’s two different movements, and us understanding one (movement in space, like walking) and not the other (time) tells me they aren’t necessarily connected. |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
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MonkderVierte
lemmy.zip
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-05-30 |
From what (i think) i understand about time is, it is a property of space (which is a energy level) that can be locally warped to go faster or slower, but past and future are purely human mind models. Edit: right, then there's also quantum time, where it depends. And you meant dilatation? |
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AngryCommieKender
lemmy.world
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
Time travel isn't based on anything, since it's currently theoretically impossible.
It's practically impossible. Theoretically there doesn't seem to be anything stopping one from changing their flow of time. Physics technically allows for time travel. Reality and practical application don't. |
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NotASharkInAManSuit
lemmy.world
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-05-06 |
Are you working on a book or are you giving away book ideas for free?
Just mention me in the forward and we’ll call it square. |
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Zykino
programming.dev
Zykino@programming.devJoined: 2024-09-26 |
Can I present you PBS Spacetime. In particular this somewhat recent episode explaining time travel is "inevitable under sole assumptions". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZaqLgezRNE Some older episode talk about time travel in some event horizon of rotating black hole. But in standard normal well understood universe. Nop. Not possible at all. |
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