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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#52 · (edited) Quote Reply

If only managers/IT could see how amazing Linux is. The productivity gains I'd have from the speed of Linux on my work machine would be noticeable. Plus my mood would greatly improve. Windows (especially slop 11) cannot handle how much I do at once. My brain is faster than the computer now 😅

I keep seeing people say this and it's like have you actually ever used Linux in a production environment?

Linux is great on single computers systems and of course on servers but trying to manage hundreds of desktops, laptops, iPhones, iPads, random Androids you have to support because C suit, and PoS till systems that run on modified Windows XP and you realise you can't just switch everything over to Linux.

Because Linux doesn't have a clue how to support any of that. As much as Windows is trash and I hate it, there is no replacement for Active Directory or SCCM, even Apple don't have such a robust support system.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#53 · Quote Reply

You are correct. Explaining our server vs onedrive/teams/SharePoint is a losing battle with most of their eyes glazing over if you try to explain.

Oh that's alright, everyone in my office just sticks everything in SharePoint. It's got up to 13 terabytes now and they're already whining that that's not enough. I think they're hosting 4K blu-ray rips in there.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#54 · Quote Reply

Thats great! I'm amazed at companies that would allow this. I cannot imagine ours doing it. Our IT dept hardly knows what Linux even is.

We allow people to have Linux devices or Macs if they want them but they are not our responsibility to fix if they break. If your laptop won't connect to the shared drive because it doesn't support FAT32 or something, that's your problem to fix.

In the past it would have at least been best endeavours to try and get everything up and running again but the company's grown too much and the IT department hasn't so I haven't got time to do anything that isn't strictly speaking my job.

People are always complaining about the IT department but generally the issue is that the IT department is under funded and understaffed.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#55 · (edited) Quote Reply

Oh, I love "other apps". My Teams once decided that obscure features like chats and calls belong in there. Yes, Teams. Put your core functionality out of sight. That's exactly what I wanted.

I think there's an entire department within Microsoft dedicated to just making teams as bad as possible. Is lacks features that other chat apps have had for over a decade that teams doesn't support.

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Brickhead92 lemmy.world Brickhead92@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-11
#56 · Quote Reply

Oh that's alright, everyone in my office just sticks everything in SharePoint. It's got up to 13 terabytes now and they're already whining that that's not enough. I think they're hosting 4K blu-ray rips in there.

Nah, it's probably a <1mb spreadsheet that's updated daily by multiple people that has never had version control settings enabled and it's taking up taking up 10tb.

SharePoint: this is the way.

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BurgerBaron quokk.au BurgerBaron@quokk.au
Joined: 2026-05-18
#57 · Quote Reply

Nah, it's probably a &lt;1mb spreadsheet that's updated daily by multiple people that has never had version control settings enabled and it's taking up taking up 10tb. SharePoint: this is the way.

Oooh very accurate. There is some "mandatory" signing sheet for reading the monthly safety info but anyone can edit it and most people are incompetent with computers. Took only 2 months for my name to get deleted by somebody and I just...never signed it again. Nobody noticed.

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Jesus_666 lemmy.world Jesus_666@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-03
#58 · Quote Reply

I think there's an entire department within Microsoft dedicated to just making teams as bad as possible. Is lacks features that other chat apps have had for over a decade that teams doesn't support.

Heck, I'd love it if they added a toggle to not hard-pan all audio to the left channel and drop all input from my microphone until I restart Teams and log in again despite having logged in ten minutes ago.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#59 · Quote Reply

Oooh very accurate. There is some "mandatory" signing sheet for reading the monthly safety info but anyone can edit it and most people are incompetent with computers. Took only 2 months for my name to get deleted by somebody and I just...never signed it again. Nobody noticed.

I have no idea how IT is taught in schools these days, but there should be a lesson somewhere entitled Excel is not a database, don't use it as a database.

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kamen lemmy.world kamen@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-19
#60 · Quote Reply

I'm still bitter about Mail & Calendar. It worked wonderfully, but of course they decided to discontinue it.

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azuth sh.itjust.works freeman@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-15
#61 · Quote Reply

We allow people to have Linux devices or Macs if they want them but they are not our responsibility to fix if they break. If your laptop won't connect to the shared drive because it doesn't support FAT32 or something, that's your problem to fix. In the past it would have at least been best endeavours to try and get everything up and running again but the company's grown too much and the IT depa...

Yeah if you think the guest support for the fs on the physical drive is relevant for a network share you wouldn't be really useful.

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Miaou jlai.lu Miaou@jlai.lu
Joined: 2023-08-03
#62 · Quote Reply

I keep seeing people say this and it's like have you actually ever used Linux in a production environment? Linux is great on single computers systems and of course on servers but trying to manage hundreds of desktops, laptops, iPhones, iPads, random Androids you have to support because C suit, and PoS till systems that run on modified Windows XP and you realise you can't just switch everything ...

Half of the stuff you mentioned already doesn't use Windows.

I've seen places able to include Linux dev machine in their fleet. Not doing it is either laziness, incompetence, or understaffing.

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Buddahriffic lemmy.world Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#63 · Quote Reply

my work computer runs linux, so only o365 webmail outlook, and it's... somewhat functional but the damn ai creeps in on every occasion. automagic autocorrect that can't decide if I'm typing english, finnish, or mix of both when the occasion needs it? Nah, autocorrect it wrong 100% of the time. But I did find a toggle for it after few weeks. the apps menu to open eg. teams when needed? only opti...

Fucking autocorrect keeps turning itself back on after I disable it in my settings. It fucks up more than it helps and I can type fine, including correcting typos and if I miss one the I miss one.

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Echo Dot feddit.uk echodot@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-26
#64 · Quote Reply

Half of the stuff you mentioned already doesn't use Windows. I've seen places able to include Linux dev machine in their fleet. Not doing it is either laziness, incompetence, or understaffing.

No it's not it's pragmatism. Is it worth putting in all the effort to support Linux in a corporate environment that mostly runs on office suite applications?

If it was a 30 minute drop in solution then yeah by all means we can experiment with it and we can move over gradually but if it's going to require an extensive project it's not worth it. People complaining about this stuff don't work in the corporate IT world, they live in idealised fantasy land.

If Linux was a sensible solution it would have been adopted years ago. No more licence fees, that gets the stuffed shirts happy.

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fibojoly sh.itjust.works fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-15
#65 · Quote Reply

Jesus. Funny reading this today when my old Outlook has been a complete shit show since last week, with freezing, minute-long loading times and generally being absolutely unusable for no apparent reason.
I'm really loving Outlook right now...

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bridgeenjoyer sh.itjust.works bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-06
#66 · Quote Reply

I have no idea how IT is taught in schools these days, but there should be a lesson somewhere entitled Excel is not a database, don't use it as a database.

Uhh I think they strap an iPad to a kids head and say worship lord zucc and musky? Seems that way.

I dont think kids learn real computer skills anymore. Pull one 14 year old out of school and have them partition a hard drive. Guarantee they can't.

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bridgeenjoyer sh.itjust.works bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-06
#67 · Quote Reply

I keep seeing people say this and it's like have you actually ever used Linux in a production environment? Linux is great on single computers systems and of course on servers but trying to manage hundreds of desktops, laptops, iPhones, iPads, random Androids you have to support because C suit, and PoS till systems that run on modified Windows XP and you realise you can't just switch everything ...

Very true

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brown567 sh.itjust.works brown567@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-09-28
#68 · Quote Reply

And Knuckles

Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

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Doomsider lemmy.world Doomsider@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#69 · Quote Reply

Not true, with my 15th generation Intel processor and Samsung Pro SSD it only take six seconds to open /S

Seriously though, we need ever increasing software requirements so we can keep forcing people to buy new hardware. If that means we just stop optimizing completely and vibe code our way to the 16th generation, so be it.

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Doomsider lemmy.world Doomsider@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#70 · Quote Reply

No it's not it's pragmatism. Is it worth putting in all the effort to support Linux in a corporate environment that mostly runs on office suite applications? If it was a 30 minute drop in solution then yeah by all means we can experiment with it and we can move over gradually but if it's going to require an extensive project it's not worth it. People complaining about this stuff don't work in t...

It is all about support honestly. That is where Linux truly suffers.

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Lovable Sidekick lemmy.world LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-19
#71 · (edited) Quote Reply

On the plus side, the Outlook team's Agile burndown charts for the last 8 sprints look perfect!

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Lovable Sidekick lemmy.world LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-10-19
#72 · Quote Reply

Outlook Copilot Copilot

Developers, developers, developers!

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Malix sopuli.xyz Malix@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-07-24
#73 · Quote Reply

Fucking autocorrect keeps turning itself back on after I disable it in my settings. It fucks up more than it helps and I can type fine, including correcting typos and if I miss one the I miss one.

the fun part with (imo) most autocorrects is that when they correct a word, it's so far removed from the original word that it basically becomes gibberish in context, whereas a word with one or two typos is still parseable by a human

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call_me_xale lemmy.zip call_me_xale@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-07-23
#74 · Quote Reply

MS: "why aren't people using our product?"

People:

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