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Kazumara discuss.tchncs.de Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-04-13
#52 · Quote Reply

I've never ran a dual boot setup but from what I read having windows and Linux on separate physical drives is what makes sure windows won't Bork the Linux boot partition

That's not it, I have both operating system partitions on my Samsung 970 Evo, and they both share a 100MB EFI System Partition, on that same disk.

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Witziger_Waschbaer feddit.org Witziger_Waschbaer@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-08-07
#53 · Quote Reply

Literally tried to install windows 11 for our office machines last week. installed extremely slow and laggy check process manager just takes 3.7GB to boot up Uninstall and install win10 IoT LTSC and debloat it immediately unfortunately Linux isn't yet an option because of microsoft office.

I use a debloated Win11 image for the situations I can't get around it. Still much more resource intensive than Linux, but it's something.

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aloofPenguin piefed.world aloofPenguin@piefed.world
Joined: 2026-01-05
#54 · Quote Reply

I primarily use it with a drawing tablet to annotate PDFs during meetings. I've been shifting towards just directly using PDFxchange for the purpose though since it makes it easier to send after meetings and I can directly edit the pdf still. It just pops up with annotation bubbles when trying to draw on top off existing drawings, so that's an annoyance.

You could try rnote and xournalpp for PDF annotation. It works pretty well in my expeience for handwriting. I'd reccommend rnote over xournalpp since it can directly save to pdf (iirc), and you can also have an infinite canvas, so it would also be a good OneNote replacement in that department. For popup notes, inline text and stuff, okular from KDE works pretty well for me, but I have also heard good things about the GNOME pdf viewer (UI wise). Haven't used the GNOME pdf viewer though, so can't attest to features.

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purplemonkeymad programming.dev purplemonkeymad@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-08-08
#55 · Quote Reply

Literally tried to install windows 11 for our office machines last week. installed extremely slow and laggy check process manager just takes 3.7GB to boot up Uninstall and install win10 IoT LTSC and debloat it immediately unfortunately Linux isn't yet an option because of microsoft office.

I don't expect the office apps to continue supporting ltsc tbh, so hopefully it lasts long enough for you.

Windows does aggressive caching now but will clear that if the memory is needed so I often find the in use value to not be as useful of an indicator now.

I will say if that was a 4gb machine I don't expect it will run 11 that well, we now will only ok 16gb computers. Not just for windows, but chrome et al all have ridiculous memory usage now.

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#56 · Quote Reply

Doesn't it work under Wine too now?

It may, but I wouldn’t trust running it that way.

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Frenchgeek lemmy.ml Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-08-31
#57 · Quote Reply

It may, but I wouldn’t trust running it that way.

That means trusting Windows instead...

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Australis13 fedia.io Australis13@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-06-19
#58 · Quote Reply

There’s literally only one application I still need Windows for: EAC (Exact Audio Copy). Everything else has a (often better) Linux alternative/version, runs in WINE or Proton, or can be used just fine in a virtual machine.

Finally got around to testing out EAC on WINE (prompted by my previous comment a few hours ago).

It seems to work without major issues on WINE 11 in a 32-bit prefix (at least on LMDE 7). Plugins need dotnet20 and dotnet48 installed, otherwise only the in-built AccurateRip meta engine shows up. I've only tested ripping to WAVE and FLAC, though.

In short, I'd say it's worth a try now.

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Grass sh.itjust.works Grass@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-09-30
#59 · Quote Reply

No thats 45 min. 30 sec is way before you finally get the usb to boot on the 3rd time flashing it. Then you find out you need to look up the latest hacky shit needed to make an offline account

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practisevoodoo lemmy.world practisevoodoo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#60 · Quote Reply

Literally tried to install windows 11 for our office machines last week. installed extremely slow and laggy check process manager just takes 3.7GB to boot up Uninstall and install win10 IoT LTSC and debloat it immediately unfortunately Linux isn't yet an option because of microsoft office.

I have been managing with winboat for my office requirements.

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#61 · Quote Reply

Finally got around to testing out EAC on WINE (prompted by my previous comment a few hours ago). It seems to work without major issues on WINE 11 in a 32-bit prefix (at least on LMDE 7). Plugins need dotnet20 and dotnet48 installed, otherwise only the in-built AccurateRip meta engine shows up. I've only tested ripping to WAVE and FLAC, though. In short, I'd say it's worth a try now.

Are the rips and logs identical to Windows on the same machine?

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Australis13 fedia.io Australis13@fedia.io
Joined: 2023-06-19
#62 · Quote Reply

Are the rips and logs identical to Windows on the same machine?

Ironically I wasn't able to get EAC working on my Windows 10 installation due to the WinFSP clash, whilst CUERipper errors out on WINE (something to do with how it interacts with the ODD).

However, CUETools works fine and so I was able to compare the same CD ripped by CUETools/CUERipper on Windows with EAC under WINE. I used an ABBA CD as the test case (100+ matches in CTDB, 10+ in AccurateRip).

The CUE sheets are functionally identical (barring the differences in extra metadata stored between the two, as CUERipper included the IRSC where EAC has a Composer comment instead) -- the gaps and indices are all the same. The raw rip itself is also identical - I ripped the CD to a disc image (with offset correction in both cases) and the md5 checksum of the WAV file from both applications is the same.

In both tools the rip validated against AccurateRip and CUETools DB as well. I double-checked the EAC rip afterwards using CUETools (again under WINE), as a further test.

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Rose slrpnk.net umbraroze@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-09-18
#63 · Quote Reply

There’s literally only one application I still need Windows for: EAC (Exact Audio Copy). Everything else has a (often better) Linux alternative/version, runs in WINE or Proton, or can be used just fine in a virtual machine.

I just use K3B to rip audio CDs. In particularly tricky places, I use cdparanoia and the FLAC encoder on command line. MusicBrainz Picard to fix the metadata. ffmpeg on command line to convert the FLAC albums to MP3 or other formats.

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onlinepersona programming.dev onlinepersona@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-09-01
#64 · Quote Reply

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You can crosspost, but I don't know how well lemmy interacts with it. It has major problems interacting with peertube and mastodon.

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onlinepersona programming.dev onlinepersona@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-09-01
#65 · Quote Reply

Don't worry, they'll release Windows 12 / Aion, which is basically Edge + Copilot OS. Can't wait for that to be released.

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7rokhym lemmy.ca 7rokhym@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-07-26
#66 · Quote Reply

In corporate environment, add Crowdstrike, Zscaler, windows instrumentation, and then some digital experience management solution to report on why apps are so slow, battery life is still only a few hours while it heats the room while sitting 'idle', or trying to render a file explorer window with 20 cores and 32 GB of RAM. Did I mention there are updates and you MUST REBOOT NOW, forget that you are presenting to a client.

Almost as offensive as Dell laptop keyboards on their corpo laptops. Ugh.

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whimsy lemmy.zip whimsy@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-09
#67 · Quote Reply

Installing programs without needing a password?

User level stuff wouldn't ordinarily need a password

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M137 lemmy.today M137@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-04-17
#68 · Quote Reply

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wizardbeard lemmy.dbzer0.com wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-06-16
#69 · Quote Reply

In corporate environment, add Crowdstrike, Zscaler, windows instrumentation, and then some digital experience management solution to report on why apps are so slow, battery life is still only a few hours while it heats the room while sitting 'idle', or trying to render a file explorer window with 20 cores and 32 GB of RAM. Did I mention there are updates and you MUST REBOOT NOW, forget that you...

Sounds like your IT doesn't know how to properly orchestrate updates.

Best way to do it in a Windows enterprise environment that I've seen so far:

  • 1 Week: Install in the background silently and finish when the machine reboots.
  • After the week, 2 Days: Warn once that the machine will automatically reboot in 48 hours.
  • 12 hours before forced reboot: Pop up a warning in the corner with the countdown before reboot. Options are reboot now or warn me again in X hours. If you dismiss it without selecting, it pops up again in an hour.

If your Windows machine hasn't rebooted in a week and a half, of course you're going to have performance issues. What, you expect devs to avoid memory leaks?

That all said, the amount of Windows sysadmins who haven't entirely given up on wrestling Microsoft's update bullshittery is shrinking every day.

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cannedtuna lemmy.world cannedtuna@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#70 · Quote Reply

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Embed videos from where?

Lemmy doesn’t support video hosting. In the past I’ve used catbox.moe but had mixed results with video not uploading easily, users not being able to view them, and it just wasn’t great. So now since Loops is on ActivityPub I’ve been using them now.

I’m using Mlem which loads the videos automatically as part of the posts just like gifs. Just now thought to check Voyager, and it appears that it shows it as a link to be opened in the internal browser, so I’m guessing apps showing that behavior is probably why you’re asking.

I mean if I find a better alternative I’m all for it.

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madthumbs lemmy.world madthumbs@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-22
#71 · Quote Reply

I use a debloated Win11 image for the situations I can't get around it. Still much more resource intensive than Linux, but it's something.

Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security.

Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, dependencies, fonts, etc. Initial installs make a great first impression, and the rest is blamed on 'your fault', 'pebkac', 'skill issue'. -Because it's a religion.

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motogo feddit.dk motogo@feddit.dk
Joined: 2025-08-26
#72 · Quote Reply

The web versions aren't really professional enough for office usage afaik (and we don't really "buy" microsoft products. And the web version doesn't work that way afaik)

We're more than 125 000 employees globally using M$ Office 365. It's cheaper, more secure, far superior for collaboration than the locally installed apps IMO. Works on and Linux distro with a JavaScript capable browser. Google suite is even better but the people calling the shots have a fetish for M$. Saying the web versions are not professional is odd. Maybe we just don't share the definition of professional

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osanna lemmy.vg osanna@lemmy.vg
Joined: 2026-02-24
#73 · Quote Reply

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osanna lemmy.vg osanna@lemmy.vg
Joined: 2026-02-24
#74 · (edited) Quote Reply

He should be glitching and stuttering for the full Windows experience
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dismay3915 lemmy.world dismay3915@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-15
#75 · Quote Reply

Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security. Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, d...

I would love it if you back your claim
"windows has lot more security than linux" with facts and evidence.

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dismay3915 lemmy.world dismay3915@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-15
#76 · Quote Reply

I have been managing with winboat for my office requirements.

Is there no hiccups? Because if I want to roll it out in our organization and switch to linux, I really need it to be perfect and fool proof (people that dont know what an OS is will be using it of course)

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dismay3915 lemmy.world dismay3915@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-15
#77 · Quote Reply

We're more than 125 000 employees globally using M$ Office 365. It's cheaper, more secure, far superior for collaboration than the locally installed apps IMO. Works on and Linux distro with a JavaScript capable browser. Google suite is even better but the people calling the shots have a fetish for M$. Saying the web versions are not professional is odd. Maybe we just don't share the definition ...

You missed the part where we don't buy microsoft products.

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/home/pineapplelover lemmy.dbzer0.com pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-30
#78 · Quote Reply

Idk why but I can't play the loops video

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technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#79 · Quote Reply

Legendary quote.

For another great use of this quote, check out the breakdown of Resistance by Nasum.

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AnimalsDream slrpnk.net AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2024-06-29
#80 · Quote Reply

Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security. Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, d...

Windows security has alwaya been laughably bad, and usually just a scam to try to make it harder for users to use other operating systems.

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LincolnsDogFido lemmy.zip LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-18
#81 · Quote Reply

Me at work every frickin day

Could be worse. This summer IT replaced all of our desktop mini PCs with Chromeboxes and ChromeOS. I don't even have privileges. Any software I would want to install would have to come from google play store and requires admin level privileges. I normally download the desktop app to play Spotify on my computer, but can't even do that. I can't even change the fucking desktop background. The ONLY software freedom I have is chrome extensions and even that is a walled garden of Google's making. Manifest v3 is going to make using my desktop nearly impossible compared to the freedom I have at home.

Honestly they could probably just take the damn thing out of my office at this point. I really only use it for documentation or continuing education so I could just use my personal laptop or go back to pen and paper for that. Anything else I would have done in my downtime at work can just wait until I get home.

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ddplf szmer.info ddplf@szmer.info
Joined: 2024-08-08
#82 · Quote Reply

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practisevoodoo lemmy.world practisevoodoo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#83 · (edited) Quote Reply

Is there no hiccups? Because if I want to roll it out in our organization and switch to linux, I really need it to be perfect and fool proof (people that dont know what an OS is will be using it of course)

I'd say it works such that any mildly technically competent person can use it.

The problem is that I know The absolute surface level nature of most people's technical ability.

The dual file system nature of winboat would probably cause you issues. All you have to do is save your work to the folder that you have shared between both os's, but equally, I know full well the majority of computer users don't know what a file or directory structure is.

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devfuuu lemmy.world devfuuu@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-17
#84 · Quote Reply

The last straw for me was when Windows kept overwriting my boot loader. Fixed it by blowing away the Windows partition. Thanks for playing, we have a lovely parting gift for you!

It's funny that they have been doing the exact same for decades at this point.

Windows already fucked with the booloader when lilo was the default in every distro. They have no reason to learn, it's all part of the way.

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#85 · Quote Reply

Ironically I wasn't able to get EAC working on my Windows 10 installation due to the WinFSP clash, whilst CUERipper errors out on WINE (something to do with how it interacts with the ODD). However, CUETools works fine and so I was able to compare the same CD ripped by CUETools/CUERipper on Windows with EAC under WINE. I used an ABBA CD as the test case (100+ matches in CTDB, 10+ in AccurateRip)...

great info

thank you

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#86 · Quote Reply

That means trusting Windows instead...

It’s pretty easy to constrain Windows 10 if all you need to run is EAC.

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Ann Archy lemmy.world anarchy79@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-17
#87 · Quote Reply

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If we can't say "retarded" then we also can't use the word "idiot". Nobody cares if you say idiot, therefore retarded is also ok.

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grrgyle slrpnk.net grrgyle@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2024-03-18
#88 · Quote Reply

If we can't say "retarded" then we also can't use the word "idiot". Nobody cares if you say idiot, therefore retarded is also ok.

Idiot isn't used a slur anymore, you pistachio

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Zidane lemmy.ca Zidane@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-08-10
#89 · Quote Reply

eww marvel rivals, those drivers are trying to do you a favor

:^( I like simple shooters. Gives the happy chemicals

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baines lemmy.cafe baines@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2024-10-26
#90 · Quote Reply

:^( I like simple shooters. Gives the happy chemicals

like saying league of legends can be fun

sure the gameplay can be fun, the issue is the player base

but i guess if you don’t find players toxic and over all it is a positive experience nm my criticism

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ddplf szmer.info ddplf@szmer.info
Joined: 2024-08-08
#91 · (edited) Quote Reply

If we can't say "retarded" then we also can't use the word "idiot". Nobody cares if you say idiot, therefore retarded is also ok.

But I didn't mean to say retarded, that'd be so mean

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ReptilianCleric lemmy.zip ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-16
#92 · Quote Reply

Windows has a lot more security than Linux (which lags). Every time Windows comes out with a new technology like secure boot, Linux users will scoff and down-play it until they catch up. And this happens with more than just security. Also, Linux has way too many toolkits. If you want all the best apps; you need to add many whole toolkits which dramatically change the footprint. All new icons, d...

Your brain lags

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Zidane lemmy.ca Zidane@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-08-10
#93 · Quote Reply

like saying league of legends can be fun sure the gameplay can be fun, the issue is the player base but i guess if you don’t find players toxic and over all it is a positive experience nm my criticism

That's fair. I've found the reporting to be quite good though so I have that for a consultation at least lol

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madthumbs lemmy.world madthumbs@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-22
#94 · Quote Reply

Windows security has alwaya been laughably bad, and usually just a scam to try to make it harder for users to use other operating systems.

Compared to what?
You cannot honestly argue that Linux has better security. It's not even a priority of Torvalds and he gets angry about too much security infringing on userspace. Everyone also knows BSD is more secure by default. We're also talking just the kernel with Linux. Add all the 'hobby' type garbage that comes with DEs and you're no longer using a kernel as your propaganda. Windows has improved vastly since the 90s when people just played mild pranks and no one was banking online.

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madthumbs lemmy.world madthumbs@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-22
#95 · Quote Reply

I would love it if you back your claim "windows has lot more security than linux" with facts and evidence.

I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips?

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ChojinDSL discuss.tchncs.de ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-14
#96 · Quote Reply

There’s literally only one application I still need Windows for: EAC (Exact Audio Copy). Everything else has a (often better) Linux alternative/version, runs in WINE or Proton, or can be used just fine in a virtual machine.

Have you tried ABCDE?
It's cli, but once you get used to it, it's perfect for ripping AudioCDs in bulk.

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adarza lemmy.ca adarza@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-05-29
#97 · Quote Reply

But Microsoft removed the "start Linux" option from their bootloader in windows 10 and higher when booting in EFI mode. Maybe you're still booting in CSM mode and you patched w11 to allow this? (W11 doesn't support csm mode)

it is very much a 'legacy' system that has no clue what uefi is. but it has plenty of ram, decent-enough gpu, and the cpu is still faster than some of the cheap shit sold today by the major oems.

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aim_at_me lemmy.nz aim_at_me@lemmy.nz
Joined: 2024-10-29
#98 · Quote Reply

That's fair. I've found the reporting to be quite good though so I have that for a consultation at least lol

I was so confused, took me a moment to realise you meant consolation haha.

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ReluctantZen feddit.nl ReluctantZen@feddit.nl
Joined: 2023-06-12
#99 · (edited) Quote Reply

I was the same when I switched from W10 to W11.
Now I'm mostly on Linux, except for work, audio and the occassional game unfortunately. The latter 2 I'm still using W10 for.

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Natanox discuss.tchncs.de Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-10-07
#100 · Quote Reply

I would love it if LiGNUts could use a search engine. -But nah, they'll wait hours and lean on others for an answer they could obtain in seconds. "cite your source" -Is the internet not at your fingertips?

You never learned how arguments work, huh? Here, let me help you.

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EnsignWashout startrek.website EnsignWashout@startrek.website
Joined: 2023-08-22
#101 · Quote Reply

Interestingly, the web 365 apps seem to work on Linux Mint, but I've not used them extensively, or on another distro. I did a migration from Win10 to LM last autumn, and I was genuinely shocked to find that web Outlook and OneDrive work on Firefox on LM. Confirmed that web Excel and Word worked enough to allow display and editing of documents - not an extensive test, but definitely worth a look...

Yes, the office web apps all work fine inside of Firefox on Linux.

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