Some will cheer, some will be mildly disappointed. But I'm out, I think.

There's only one constant in life. And that's change. Take the time to focus on yourself and important things first. And if all this bullshit is still here in a few years. We'll see you then. It's always good to step back from this online stuff and realize sometimes it's not as important as we make it. But yes I don't blame you with all the different communities and not wanting to migrate then again.

I will miss your content, but if you need a break please go be healthy. Come back when it feels good again.

I am in the latter category: mildly disappointed. 😞

Maybe a little more than mildly, tbh 😭.

Fwiw Piefed.zip won't have a voting limit added right away (source).

I don't know who would cheer, you're one of the pillars of this ecosystem as far as I'm concerned and even though I don't say it enough I always appreciate your efforts in keeping so many niche subs fed with constant content.

I totally get how you're feeling, and I can't blame you for being burned out. You've put in an insane amount of work over the years. I hope you find some time to rest.

You will be missed, and will be remembered for a long time.

Count yourself lucky lol. I know several and they aren't good people to know. But yes this will definitely make the new feeds a lot lighter. And traffic overall go down. Neither of which are great.

Please PugJesus, don't leave us :(

Hi I'm new here. I have no idea what's going on!

but who will explain all the history memes

Welcome!

Sometimes there's only so many hours in a day. And so ultimately you have to make a choice whether that goes into moderation and maintenance, or development. Also remember that the fediverse isn't generally paid to be run and addict more and more people. It's a service for those who want to use it. Many of which don't pay but give their participation.

Just flip back to one of your other accounts.

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Gonna miss you, Pug.

Hello New Here BarnWolf, good to have you! :)

PugJesus is a local legend. Loved by many, despised by some, and always good for educating the unwashed masses (me) in history.

It's gonna be a whole lot more lonely without you, PugJesus, but I'll always suggest to take health and sanity before fame.

See ya, Space Cowboy! <3

Dangit.

Where did they say that?

Glad to have PyLova to counter Rimu’s desire to limit what users can do on PieFed.

How hard is it to just let people use software how they want. Anti-user design is so anathematic to the spirit of the Fediverse.

To quote Robin Scherbatsky from HIMYM:

"No. No, no, no, no, no, no. , you cannot do this to me. No! No, no, no!"

I wonder if that will become a problem eventually - the few larger, better funded instances sponging up users from smaller ones that need to limit themselves, somewhat centralizing the fediverse.

PieFed is another federated threaded forum software like Lemmy, though just within the last week greatly surprised people by switching gears to be less like traditional social media that welcomes lots of engagement. The changes were not announced in advance, not something that can be opted out of (except by migration to another instance, which is what PugJesus is saying he will not consider doing) and are quite unpopular overall.

None of THAT background stuff will affect you on Lemmy.World, except that you'll see a quieter network overall, especially now that PugJesus is leaving us.

Overall it is perhaps best to use the Threadiverse not as your sole or possibly even primary social media but as one among several, as this one is struggling (post).

I think I might be out of the loop. What's happening...?

F. Is this in response of the vote quota?

Always enjoyed your posts and explanations. Hope to see you back here one day or another. Take care!

Thankfully the way it's designed there isn't exactly a lot of reason to do that. As long as the contents are accessible from the instance I'm on and they don't have me blocked etc. Then what does it matter if I'm on said instance? As long as the instance itself does what I need?

In Pug's case they are a mass moderator and poster. Which for them presents different difficulties. Difficulties in both growing and feeding the community etc. Very different from the average user.

Aww, you will be sorely missed, do take care

If we see you again in the future I do hope your time away will have treated you well

Though with a difference that multiple centers exist, rather than exclusively one.

Also for those of us in the USA there are so many other life-threatening additional considerations to add: e.g. if we join Piefed.ca then what happens when the USA decides to invade Canada, so either communication gets cut off or people who use this social media get rounded up onto a convention camp?

Many posts about it lately but here's a good start:

Good summary: https://piefed.zip/c/home@piefed.zip/p/1635935/can-we-remove-the-vote-limiter-implemented-in-v1-7

"main" post: https://piefed.social/c/fediverse@piefed.social/p/2190040/who-decides-what-you-see-on-the-fediverse-a-look-at-voting-patterns

addressing the controversy: https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/2200155/improvement-for-the-vote-quota-implementation

https://piefed.social/c/fediverse@piefed.social/p/2190040/who-decides-what-you-see-on-the-fediverse-a-look-at-voting-patterns

https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/2200155/improvement-for-the-vote-quota-implementation#post_replies

https://piefed.social/comment/11992946

https://piefed.social/post/2198455#comment_12057290

It takes like 5 seconds, you dont really get notifications on sold stuff

My posting is centered around a number of comms that are on Piefed.social. Thus, I'd have to move those comms if I wanted to keep using the Fediverse as I was, and that's an arduous process. Basically building back up from scratch. I've done it three times so far, once when moving from Reddit, once involuntarily (when Kbin shut down), and once when moving from .world.

I just don't have a fourth in me. And even if this reverses, I have no reason to believe that the Piefed admins won't try something like this again, since they've made it clear it's a fundamental part of their thinking about the future of their instance.

Even if I did have the motivation for a fourth migration, the whole notion of instability from decisions at-the-top in an instance means my experiences on the Fediverse have made me wary of how ephemeral any work I put in is going to be.

I wasn't a power user on Reddit. I wasn't even a particularly active lurker. So... I'll go back to not being an active member of online communities. Return to doomscrolling Facebook and Tumblr without participation, I guess. Game more. I enjoyed sharing history on the Fediverse more than all of that, but not if my user experience is going to be shitty or require a reworking of my communities every year. At that point, I'd rather just keep to myself, and the Fediverse doesn't have enough content for me to just be a satisfied lurker on here.

So. I'm out. Sorry to everyone who enjoyed me. I enjoyed sharing trivia, and had a good time here, but I can't continue under these conditions. I wish the best to the Fediverse as a whole.

Unfortunately, the core issue in migration isn't my account, but all the comms on Piefed.social that I run. Building a community back up so that posts have some basic level of engagement instead of languishing with three people having seen them is... a large task, and one I'm just not up to doing for a fourth time.

What If I build you your own instance on my network and we federate from that?

I appreciate the offer, but that runs into

I just don’t have a fourth [migration] in me.

and

Even if I did have the motivation for a fourth migration, the whole notion of instability from decisions at-the-top in an instance means my experiences on the Fediverse have made me wary of how ephemeral any work I put in is going to be.

Right, sure, but I would spin up the infra and hand you the keys.

Keep your account active for two more weeks and I'll DM you details?

I'll even handle the migration, all you have to do is post.

Will miss your Political Compass Memes among other things...

Take care of yourself and best of luck for whatever awaits you next!

My 2c on the issue, every software is moulded by the preferences of the developer(s) and its server admin. Sorry that your search for a permanent threadiverse home didn't work out in the end for you. Hoping that a portable and independent ActivityPub federated identity system will be a thing in the not so distant future to help ease the moving process.

There is a new rule metering the number of votes that can be cast by a user. You can see yours on your profile.

Im having a real hard time understanding and following this whole thing if im honest. Is there a pr/code i can look at tp understand what is actually happening at the moment? Im just not getting it.

I really enjoyed your posts.

Right, sure, but I would spin up the infra and hand you the keys.

Being an admin is more than I signed up for, I have no understanding of server shit, and that just means the eventual possibility of instability is on me, as I'm not in the best health - or best country - to begin with. Health is what wrecked poor Ernest and Kbin, not decisions on his part, after all.

On top of that, the issue of migration I'm talking is not spinning up a new comm - that takes all of five minutes. It's building the community back up. People don't migrate with the community migration - comms 'catch' many casual users over the course of their existence who are nonetheless vital for its day-to-day functioning.

I appreciate that you want me here, but it's certainly not that I feel driven off by the community. I just don't have it in me to continue in unstable conditions, and all I see from the Fediverse, after my experiences here, is instability or the possibility thereof.

Now if you try to cast over a certain amount of up/downvotes a day, you will not be allowed to by the code.

The Piefed staff has said that the motivation is in keeping people from voting 'too much' - ie, that users who use Piefed 'too much' should use it 'less' in the interest of 'fairness' to other users.

Even if this is reversed, that attitude - not the first time the Piefed staff has expressed that thought, but the first time they've actually implemented something non-optional along those lines - suggests that issues like this will continue popping up, even if this voting limit ends up being removed by public outcry.

"When people tell you who they are, believe them the first time", and all that jazz.

Devastated and probably not too far behind you at this point.

Just a suggestion. If it's too much work just don't. Don't worry about it, don't fret over it, don't migrate. You always have the option to just let things be what they will be. And there's nothing wrong with that. Unless the whole point for you was moderating building and maintaining communities, and not necessarily the posts you make. If it's getting in the way of enjoying yourself. Perhaps you don't need it. I know for myself it's something I've had to face a few times. Planning a workable balance between passion, obsession, and reality. No matter how terminally online we might be. Reality will always win in the end. I've absolutely had some issues with myself and burnout outside the fedi recently. But I've only stepped back. Not disappeared.

Interesting! Not that i dont believe you but is there a PR or code sample i can see? Id like to see what the actual code is doing. Thank you for the explanation.

I may be able to curtail a pr to address or at least make this instance specific.

It is, at present, instance-specific, or at least, opt-out by admins. My issue is that I don't have the morale to migrate all my comms to another Piefed instance. I'm done. The instability in the Fediverse has done me in. I'm not stable enough myself to deal with it.

The short version - 10 people (0.02% of us) were casting 60% of all votes. I stopped it.

Just wanted to let you know how appreciated you are. Yours is the only username I recognize honestly, and I know it's going to be good shit when I see it.

I understand burnout though. Can't fault you for wanting to care of yourself. I encourage it, actually.

edit: typos

Graphene: and the beatings will continue until moral improves.

Ah so this is just something on this server. Carry on.

Ive found my own infa is the most stable. Gotosocial is my favorite at the moment. Or at least the most fun.

Almost all of the fedi is volunteer and making negative money. Burning money in big buckets.

GL! Hope your next adventure is a fun one.

Everything is efferial. Even our silly messages on the internet.

Strange! Bots?

You say that like it needed to happen. Sure some people may be too liberal with their votes. Perhaps though those little stray upvotes to people who otherwise wouldn't have gotten much of anything might mean something. Might even mean a lot. Some people are always going to have an outsized influence in communities. And you cannot have a flourishing community by trying to eliminate that.

I'm all for eliminating coordinated Mass voting. But I think limiting your most active participants is a shooting yourself in the foot sort of move.

I don't think so, they seem to be real.