You’d have vastly different governments than you have now and you’re a liar if you say otherwise. Jesus, you’ve got evidence in front of you for that one

Your ignorance makes you think I'm a liar. The evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that a) popular opinion has ZERO effect on legislation passing and b) gerrymandering is more powerful than voting and always has been.

I want the US and its people to thrive and rebuild their country

Then you're a fool. The US is a white supremacist, misogynist, mass murdering, global force of destruction. It's the inheritor of the white supremacist ChristoFascist European empire that created your country through genocide and mass rape and torture. WHether the US thrives or not, it's still a demon.

The evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates

That if you get out and vote in primaries and elections, you’ll get the people you want in.

Then you’re a fool

Lmao. You think a broken United States is good for the current world and you’re calling me a fool?

It’s the inheritor….

Here we go, fuckin fart sniffing. Are you going to run when it goes down? Who the fuck would want you around?

That if you get out and vote in primaries and elections, you’ll get the people you want in.

Again, this literally hasn't mattered for the entirety of the history of the USA. I don't want to the country to be a mass murdering super villain. I vote for anti-war people. What happens? The USA has been at war for 99% of it's existence. Literally 7 years out of 250 were without war, and most of those 7 were when we had mass chattel slavery. Get it through your head. Even if you get the people you want into office, the Senate was designed from the beginning to be a structure that works against the voters. Literally, by design, by the founders, explicitly.

You think a broken United States is good for the current world and you’re calling me a fool?

The US is not broken because of who gets into office. The US is broken because it's fundamentally broken and always has been. It's a settler state that exist ONLY because of a papal decree. The US Supreme Court has ruled on that. And no, that wasn't a Republican appointee, it was Ruth Bader Ginsberg who published that majority opinion. The US is broken because of what it is, not because of which leaders run it. You're arguing that we should fix the Titanic by changing captains.

Are you going to run when it goes down? Who the fuck would want you around?

Listen, you big bold white masculine fuck. No one needs your brand of bullshit anymore. Your obsolete. Your world is dying. You know who talks like you do? Hegseth. Get. Bent.

What did Georgia go blue by, a few thousand wasn’t it?

And exactly what changed? Biden supplied the weapons for the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. He changed literally NOTHING about what he and Obama did to DHS and ICE, which is what allowed Trump to use them this way. You know what Biden did? After he and Obama changed the structure, funding, and headcount of DHS and ICE? He did nothing about it in office. He simply chose not to deploy ICE into major cities, knowing full well that he personally created the Presidential power to do so, and that Trump or literally ANY Republican that came into power would do it. He just spent 4 years choosing not to fire the gun. He left it cocked and loaded on the desk, and he was the one who fucking loaded it when he was VP. Trump comes in and picks up the gun and fires it and you want to say the problem is because we didn't vote hard enough? BIDEN DIDN'T USE THE POWER WE GAVE HIM TO STOP FUCKING ANYTHING

You gotta stop imagining that everything changes when a team wins. It doesn't. When the Ds win, they don't stop the Rs. They collaborate with the Rs. They support the Rs. They fund them. They clear a path for them. They establish broad new powers and then the Rs abuse them. THEY ARE ON THE SAME FUCKING TEAM

knowing how effective the vote is if used properly

It's ONLY effective at changing the captain on the Titanic.

So yeah I don’t give a shit what you think of me, honestly

I know. You don't care what anyone in the US thinks about you, because you're right and everyone who disagrees with you is whining.

I’ve seen the hard workers over there do their shit and how effective it can be.

You haven't seen anyone be effective at what we actually need. We don't need to elect another D who will literally do nothing to stop the white supremacists and expand presidential power for them. They've done it EVERY SINGLE TIME they got into office. Literally. Every single power that Trump uses, the Ds created for him. You don't know what effective is. You think the voting board is winning. You're blind.

You’re on here whining and blaming everything else.

I'm giving you the literal historical, material, sociological facts, research by top universities about what is actually happening in the US. You're the one who stops when CNN says "this district went blue!" You're an easily entertained surface thinker with absolutely no concept of reality who thinks symbolic victories are the same as actual change.

And exactly what changed

You weren’t being thrown into camps for a start. You had another shot. Some of you are too miserable to stand up and have a go though.

BIDEN DIDN’T USE THE POWER

So you put Trump back in on a 65% turnout. Great solution.

He simply chose not to deploy ICE

Yeah, that’s what should be done. Not deploy them on the streets.

You want to say…

Nope, I don’t want to say it but it is. I’m not the only one saying it either even if I’m alone here.

You gotta stop imagining that everything changes…

Well I don’t, but see Mamdani.

when the Ds win

Not if they’re the right ones, see Mamdani. This works at all levels too btw, see Republican voters. These points are ones discussed by Americans in the past too, not just my view.

Its only effective at changing the captain on the Titanic

That might actually save the ship if a different decision was made. Since you’re using hypotheticals.

Because you’re right…

Not always, and I wish I was wrong here with a lot of this, because if I was it’d be a vastly different country.

You haven’t seen…

I saw someone work their arse off to stop another consecutive Trump government only to watch non voters help put him back in again.

I’m giving you…research by top universities

No, you’re giving me more excuses. Had the population voted in all or even most of the elections they’ve needed to, including primaries, at somewhere like 75-80%, the country would be a lot different now to what it is. They don’t participate, it’s bred complacency, that’s been exploited by conservatives who do participate over a long period of time and here they are. Of course, there’s more to it, but had people turned out to especially midterms around Obamas time things would be much different now to what they are. At the very least, Israel would be on a leash.

easily entertained surface thinker

As usual, another personal insult because it’s the only level you can deal on. You reflect the shit show you live in.

I don’t want…I vote

I know. Well, thanks for clarifying you vote at least. Do I need to reestablish this isn’t a personal thing? I hardly think most around here, if they vote, are red voters.

The problem is broader than those who vote well. There’s a massive subsection who can and don’t participate. Despite your view on my knowledge of the bias toward conservatives, the only easy way to a decent government on a society built on slavery and theft as I think you put it, is to vote. Well, now since you let the fascists back in it’s probably peaceful shutdown, but the options are limited to the two. That’s it. You’re not overthrowing it, the only thing you’re doing, one way or the other, is bending it to at least let you live a life.

fundamentally broken and always has been

Well…fix your shit. It’s your shit, the one and only shit you got and there’s limited ways to fix it. Sounds like you don’t have a lot to lose really.

Listen, you big bold masculine fuck

Yep, that one hits home every time. Not many of us want chickenshits mate. As has been pointed out our countries are fascist shitholes in their own way as well and we’ll have to deal with that without having to care for Americans running from a vote result.

How does Mamdani being incapable of implementing socialism prove me wrong?

As usual, another personal insult because it’s the only level you can deal on. You reflect the shit show you live in.

Wrong again dipshit. I'm reflecting you. Do I need to rub your nose in it so you stop shitting everywhere? Here, these are your words:

Yep, run from your problem and hide behind others, after telling them to mind their own business about it. Then get shitty when they disapprove.

That’d be what I’d expect from Americans.

Left unity in that country will be achieved when they all unite behind one candidate regardless and not throw the toys from the cot if they don’t get the candidate they wanted.

whiny excuses

God you people are whiny

get off your arse and vote

keep making excuses.

they’re looking for every excuse to absolve themselves personally of the responsibility

Stop whining and finding excuses.

Until then you’re just a pack of whingers

If people have to be convinced to go out and do a duty, they’re not very good people.

Now, stop whining

you’re a liar if you say otherwise

apathy and selfishness

you’re a Seppo

have become such snivelling whingers

Fuck you lot are pathetic

You, Seppo, have been dishing it out since the beginning, but not only can't you take it, you think anyone else who stoops to your level is morally and intellectually inferior to you. Fuck off. You still have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Let's break it ALL down, you Seppo:

Mamdani is proving that one wrong

You are ignorant or arguing in bad faith. The mayor of New York City is elected by a pure popular vote. No one in the US federal government is elected by a pure popular vote. Voting in the US is divided by state and further by district. If you took the NYC mayoral election process and extrapolated it to the national level, while keeping the same number of elected official, then we'd have a completely different country. If we instead took the federal election process and replaced the NYC mayoral election process with it, it is extremely unlikely that Mamdani would have been elected. Why is this? You're so smart, and knowledgeable, and so world weary, you're so confident in your understanding. Why don't you expound on the mathematical and logic details of the differences between the electoral systems that you are smashing together like a child making their dolls "have sex"?

their government and their Zionist attack dog threatening everything and everyone and it’s all because they wouldn’t turn out in numbers to vote

Wrong again, Seppo! Here's the words straight from Joe Biden's mouth:

Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.

This has been US policy for 50 years. Over those 50 years, there were 4 D presidents and 5 R presidents. Oh look, there's that evidence you claim to rely on when making your bad faith arguments. Right there. Black and white. You think Israel threatening everyone is "all because [we] wouldn't turn out in numbers to vote" still? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. Good price.

Oh but wait, you also said that our government is threatening everything and everyone because we wouldn't turn out in numbers to vote.

• Harry S. Truman (1945–1953): North Korea, nuked Japan
• Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961): Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala
• John F. Kennedy (1961–1963): Cuba, Vietnam
• Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969): Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, DR Congo
• Richard Nixon (1969–1974): Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay
• Gerald Ford (1974–1977): Cambodia, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Angola
• Jimmy Carter (1977–1981): Iran (hostage rescue mission), Angola
• Ronald Reagan (1981–1989): Grenada, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Chad, El Salvador, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia
• George H.W. Bush (1989–1993): Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia
• Bill Clinton (1993–2001): Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia
• George W. Bush (2001–2009): Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Haiti, Venezuela
• Barack Obama (2009–2017): Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Niger, Cameroon, Uganda, South Sudan,
• Donald Trump (2017–2021): Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Libya, Kenya
• Joe Biden (2021–2025): Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Somalia
• Donald Trump (2025 - ): Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Nigeria, Venezuela

So here's more of that evidence you love like "Mamdani won a popular vote in a single polity and that proves you all are lazy and selfish and that if you could just be better people then everything would be better and its all your fault". Here, however, the evidence says "shut the fuck up you Aussie seppo and look at fucking reality".

The simple fact remains the sooner they get 2 weeks to a month of peaceful shutdown going (60% in all the cities would probably be enough to bring the wheels to a halt) and force Congressmen and Senators to act the easier this will be. The longer it’s left, the harder it is.

A look. Here you are in a comment arguing for a coordinated general strike as the solution the problem. Fuck, why didn't we think of that!!

• Harry S. Truman (1945–1953): Weaponized the Taft-Hartley Act to halt strikes, seized railroads and coal mines under wartime emergency powers, and forced anti-communist loyalty oaths to purge radical labor leadership. Operation Dixie Crackdowns (1946–1953)
• Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961): Enforced the Landrum-Griffin Act to aggressively audit union funds and ban secondary boycotts, while utilizing Communist Control Act hearings to break leftist unions. The 1955 Perfect Circle Strike.
• John F. Kennedy (1961–1963): Issued Executive Order 10988, which granted federal workers collective bargaining rights but explicitly stripped them of the right to strike, creating a precedent for federal strike bans. Kentucky Mine War (1962)
• Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969): Invoked Taft-Hartley emergency injunctions to shut down critical aerospace and maritime strikes, using national security arguments to force striking workers back to the production line. The Memphis Sanitation Strike (1968)
• Richard Nixon (1969–1974): Deployed over 20,000 armed U.S. Army troops and National Guardsmen under Operation Graphic Hand to break the wildcat New York City postal strike of 1970. The Delano Grape Strike (1965–1970)
• Gerald Ford (1974–1977): Vetoed the Common Situs Picketing Bill, which legally blocked construction unions from striking at entire job sites, severely weakening their multi-employer bargaining leverage. The Washington Post Pressmen Strike (1975).
• Jimmy Carter (1977–1981): Invoked the Taft-Hartley Act during the historic 111-day coal miners' strike of 1978, threatening federal prosecution and interventions to force miners back to work.
• Ronald Reagan (1981–1989): Mass-fired 11,359 striking air traffic controllers (PATCO) in 1981, used federal decertification to permanently crush their union, and packed the NLRB with pro-management appointees. The Arizona Phelps Dodge Copper Strike (1983)
• George H.W. Bush (1989–1993): Issued emergency executive orders to legally dissolve strikes at Eastern Airlines and major freight railroads, mandating binding arbitration that favored corporate leadership. The Pittston Coal Strike (1989–1990).
• Bill Clinton (1993–2001): Championed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) despite fierce union resistance, which accelerated the offshoring of domestic manufacturing and eroded union density. The Detroit Newspaper Strike (1995–1997)
• George W. Bush (2001–2009): Invoked Taft-Hartley to end the 2002 West Coast port lockout, stripped union rights from 170,000 newly formed Department of Homeland Security employees, and legally blocked multiple airline strikes. The Charleston Five (2000).
• Barack Obama (2009–2017): Abandoned his signature campaign promise to pass the Employee Free Choice Act (Card Check) to ease workplace unionizing, while utilizing federal law enforcement coordination to monitor and dismantle local labor-adjacent movements. Longview Port Dispute (2011).
• Joe Biden (2021–2025): Blocked a national rail strike in 2022 by signing a congressional mandate that legally forced workers to accept a contract without paid sick leave, directly overriding their democratic union votes. Warrior Met Coal Strike (2021–2023)
• Donald Trump (2017–2021; 2025–Present): Systematically dismantled the architecture of federal labor protection. In 2025, Trump fired the NLRB’s General Counsel and removed board member Gwynne Wilcox, deliberately stripping the board of its quorum and halting case enforcement. This culminated in the June 2026 Supreme Court ruling Trump v. Slaughter. By overruling the 1935 Humphrey’s Executor precedent, the Court officially stripped the NLRB of its "independent agency" status. NLRB members can now be fired by the president at will, effectively converting the nation's primary labor arbiter into a direct political instrument of the executive branch. Concurrently, Trump issued executive orders terminating collective bargaining agreements for tens of thousands of federal employees at the TSA and Department of Defense. Mass arrest of striking NYC healthcare workers (2026)

There's that pesky evidence again! I wonder what insults and obvious false equivalencies you'll throw at me this time. Maybe you'll say that if we all just voted at 80% instead of 64% none of these people would have ever been president and all of these things never would have happened. With you, who knows what ignorant shit will come out of your mouth!

Do I need to rub your nose…

In that list there was one personal insult. Seppo…a septic tank (Yank) full of shit. No worries my dude, you really rubbed my nose in it pmsl

I’m sorry the rest hurt you, diddums. Here’s another…you fucking crybaby.

You, Seppo, have been dishing it out

Mate, Seppo is an Aussie insult for Americans. Try your lame ‘skippy fucker’

And yeah, you don’t take it very well but we know that. The moment the mirrors held up, you’re told you’re responsible collectively and the application for asylum is denied, you lose your shit and we find out the true personalities. As demonstrated.

You are ignorant or arguing in bad faith

Nope, if enough get out to vote, they’ll get the result they want. Mamdani hasn’t just proven that, Republicans prove it, in different electorates, every time they turn up.

That’s the problem with your whiny stories. Americans go out and disprove it every single election. Just not the ones who should.

Now you’re rambling with a whole geap of irrelevant points, trying to generate excuses around…not voting…but this is to be expected. You’re lashing out. The mirrors been held up (and not just by me), the responsibility has allocated itself and you’ve realised we don’t want any more whiny, dot pointing, rambling cowards who stand for nothing.

tgeres tgat pesky evidence again

What, the evidence that the US is irresponsible and selfish? Yes, in the second iteration of President Trump, a president that truly reflects the country, it’s voter turnout, its responsibility, its integrity, its whininess, its excuse making and the general, average quality of its people.

Edit: Seppo is an Aussie insult, built specifically for Americans. You using it toward me is very embarrassing for you.