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cm0002
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JakenVeina
midwest.social
JakenVeina@midwest.social Joined: 2025-06-12 |
Inarguable China W. |
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hirihit640
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Isn't China famous for ghost cities, which are products of housing speculation? |
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massive_bereavement
fedia.io
massive_bereavement@fedia.ioJoined: 2024-06-14 |
Isn't China famous for ghost cities, which are products of housing speculation?
From what little I know about the subject: China has two kinds of social welfare plans (rural and company workers). The latter is quite good, well financed by their largest companies and is mostly addressed towards the population in their largest cities. However until 2014, the rural plan was almost nonexistent and people on that plan were supposed to fend by themselves. But isn't dramatically better now. While I am saying rural, this two ways approach is tied to the hukou system which is defined according to your birth house registration. So if your family is in the rural plan, your eventual pension plan would be a very meager pay. That is why a lot of people had invested in real state and a bubble was allowed until Evergrande's demise and the creation of the three red lines happened. Which honestly, it means a lot of Chinese families lost their later life savings with it, and that's quite sad. |
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snoons
piefed.ca
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Isn't China famous for ghost cities, which are products of housing speculation?
AFAICT it's what prompted this speech. |
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chuckleslord
lemmy.world
chuckleslord@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-12 |
Isn't China famous for ghost cities, which are products of housing speculation?
Those ghost cities are building up whole communities before the demand becomes such for people to move in. Those cities aren't empty for long, though. And since they were centrally planned from the beginning, they have better utilization of public services like transit that make life more pleasant for the population. Do I wish they were building to house their population rather than overproducing in order to artificially lower prices? One hundred percent, yes. Do I think that means this is a bad way to do it? It's certainly better than the "if you wanted a house, you should've bought 30 years ago" policy of the liberal capitalist world |
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ZombiFrancis
sh.itjust.works
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
Isn't China famous for ghost cities, which are products of housing speculation?
This is how the most populous country on the planet achieves 96% homeownership. Building adequate housing means building it before the need for shelter. |
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nednobbins
lemmy.zip
nednobbins@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-20 |
Those ghost cities are building up whole communities before the demand becomes such for people to move in. Those cities aren't empty for long, though. And since they were centrally planned from the beginning, they have better utilization of public services like transit that make life more pleasant for the population. Do I wish they were building to house their population rather than overproduci...
How would that work? House prices are inversely proportional to housing availability. How do you let people buy houses at reasonable prices while also allowing people to sell them at increased prices? |
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chuckleslord
lemmy.world
chuckleslord@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-12 |
Do I wish they were building to house their population rather than overproducing in order to artificially lower prices? How would that work? House prices are inversely proportional to housing availability. How do you let people buy houses at reasonable prices while also allowing people to sell them at increased prices?
You stop using market indicators to determine the price of housing. Pay the people for the work they did and then sell the final product for less than the cost it took to make it. The government covers the difference, since it benefits most from a happy, secure population. That also breaks the incentive to hoard housing, since there's no way reselling can compete with new housing. And resales could get refurbished after being sold, and then again the price won't reflect the cost of the refurb. Keeping everyone in good housing, not just sufficient housing. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Those ghost cities are building up whole communities before the demand becomes such for people to move in. Those cities aren't empty for long, though. And since they were centrally planned from the beginning, they have better utilization of public services like transit that make life more pleasant for the population. Do I wish they were building to house their population rather than overproduci...
No one is moving into those tofu dreg condos. |
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nednobbins
lemmy.zip
nednobbins@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-20 |
You stop using market indicators to determine the price of housing. Pay the people for the work they did and then sell the final product for less than the cost it took to make it. The government covers the difference, since it benefits most from a happy, secure population. That also breaks the incentive to hoard housing, since there's no way reselling can compete with new housing. And resales c...
But that would have exactly the effect of overproducing and artificially lowering prices. And isn't that exactly what they're doing? (ie the workers get paid, people get to move into subsidized housing, the investors are left holding the bag). That said, I don't think overproduction is really a practical thing when it comes to housing. Perfect production would be when everyone who wants a house, has one. Overproduction would be more houses than we know what to do with and we're nowhere close to that. I'd say we're generally in a state of acute underproduction when it comes to housing and that's been keeping prices artificially high. |
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